Will Peachtree Corners Budget Crisis Doom Brookhaven?

The Vinson Institute performed both feasibility studies, and Peachtree Corners first budget is coming in much bigger than expected.

For months, opponents of Brookhaven cityhood have been saying the Carl Vinson Institute's (CVI) budgetary estimates for the city are flawed and unrealistic.

Now comes news from the AJC that the new city of Peachtree Corners - whose feasibility study was also performed by the CVI - is facing a budget controversy before it has even begun operation.

The news outlet reported this past weekend that Peachtree Corners' first proposed annual budget is three times more than what residents were told by cityhood proponents.

The budget comes to approximately $2.7 million, with $1.7 million coming from projected property taxes. But the CVI's estimate said the city could operate with an annual budget of $760,917.

With 34,000 people, Peachtree Corners will become Gwinnett's largest city when it begins operations on July 1. Brookhaven, if incorporated, would become DeKalb's largest city, with about 50,000 people.

NoCityBrookhaven has long argued the CVI estimates were conducted when property values in the area were rising.

"Brookhaven’s budget is out of date already without consideration of continuing falling property values," according to the organization's website. "The CVI originally used the 2010 tax digest adjusted for 2011 to do their study for Brookhaven. It is now 2012 and will be 2013 when the budget starts, if the new city passes.

"The numbers are not current. The $135,348 surplus estimated by the CVI could easily become a deficit."

The CVI recently to update its Brookhaven revenue projected based on current tax digest models.

Eric H June 18, 2012 at 09:55 PM
"Rather than waste time discussing 'adjusting' the budget (that nobody asked for in the first place) . . ." Eddie I'll take that to mean you don't disagree with my numbers relative to additional cushion that you previously asked about. I mean if I miscalculated something I would like to know.
HDM June 18, 2012 at 09:56 PM
Hamburger is just slinging FUD, voters won't be deceived by this.
Max June 18, 2012 at 10:12 PM
Never underestimate the oppo: Feet on the ground mean a lot. Be nice to the OU kids if they come a'knockin'. *Job Title: Walk-List Helper Organization Name : No Link Ashford Neighbors Ballot Committee Linked Contact: re-link Laurenthia Mesh Work Schedule: Monday-Friday, 4-8pm, & Saturday, 2-6pm Hours per Week: ~20 Wage/Salary: 10$/hour Employment Start Date: Any Day Employment End Date: July 31st, 2012 *Job Description: Canvassing neighborhoods with an Ashford Neighbor rep to ask 1. if they have heard of the new city, 2. if they have decided how they will vote and 3. if they are undecided to discuss with them the negative aspects of the City Charter HB 636 and provide factual information for them to consider about the CVI Feasibility Study. Qualifications: Punctual, Honest, good pair of walking shoes, can walk in heat with ample water provided, *How to Apply: email AshfordNeighbors@gmail.com with your:
Eddie E. June 18, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Stan, Think for a minute, just how much money and General Assembly time could have been saved if mis-Representative Jacobs had broadened his net and found there was not a wellspring of support for his fools errand?
Stan June 18, 2012 at 10:15 PM
There are probably 20% who will never be convinced that incorporation is a good thing, there are probably 20% who will never be convinced that staying unincorporated is a good thing. It's the 60% of the voters who are generally centrist that are trying to decide which position to support.
Stan June 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM
@Eddie, whether it's a 'fools errand' will be decided at the polls. No question that more initial support would have made things easier, but from my perspective, the YES folks are working hard at getting the information distributed and it seems to be having a positive effect. But that is just from my vantage point, and clearly different from yours.
Max June 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM
And to those undecided voters I commit to bringing facts, views, and observations from a new city resident that was unabashedly against the idea.
Eddie E. June 18, 2012 at 11:06 PM
Max, That's right, you said you were a Dunwoody opponent. So what made you escape 'Shangri-La'?
Eddie E. June 18, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Eric, How on earth do you interpret my statement to mean I agree with 'your' numbers? I would like to see real current tax revenue numbers with real cost estimates for a start-up little toy city put into the CVI's magic algorithm to come up with a realistic projection of revenues and costs. But that was never the intention of C4ND or misRepresentative Jacobs.
Chip Douglas June 19, 2012 at 01:12 AM
Sounds like somebody has already started campaigning for office.
Max June 19, 2012 at 02:03 AM
EddieE: Restate your question, I do not understand 'shangri-la' reference.
"E Pluribus Unum" June 19, 2012 at 02:45 AM
Is this the same Max who was spouting Biblical verse the other day and didn't have enough sense to know which version of the Christian Bible he was using? My and my.
"E Pluribus Unum" June 19, 2012 at 02:52 AM
Is this the same Max who was quoting Biblical scripture the other day but didn't even know which version of the Christian Bible he was using? My, my, my. Sloppy work Max. Is this another example of the competent leadership we can expect from a new city if unfortunately it passes?
Sue Henson June 19, 2012 at 03:35 AM
I don't think anyone should take Jeff seriously. Call his number posted on the Brookhaven Yes Web site. As of a couple of days ago, the recording said his voicemail's not set up. Really? Yep, these are the people who know how to make things happen! Way to go, Jeff!!!
Eric H June 19, 2012 at 04:38 AM
OK Eddie lets try it this way. Its really a simple question. And its not revenues its projected expenses. Do you not agree that the proposed budget for Brookhaven has more spending budgeted for Parks and Roads? Do you not agree that there should be a cost savings going from 6 to 4 council positions? You are the one throwing out overly dramatic language such as "Since these were items (along with the imaginary tax reduction) used to sell this broke toy in the first place, tell me where the cushion is hiding?" I pointed out more "cushion" to you. Tell me why its not!
Eddie E. June 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Max, Shangri-La = Dunwoody, you know, the shining example on which the entire Jacobshaven fantasy was founded. The perfect place where everyone wants to be. The place I have blacked out on my map and will never spend another penny.
"E Pluribus Unum" June 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Eddie, any reasonable person will understand that a new city does not create barriers to isolate Brookhaven from the rest of Dekalb County. As you have previously stated, better services in exchange for lower taxes is not possible. A new city will not be more ethical and, responsive. I just have to believe the Yes organizers know this deep inside their conscious. How do they sleep at night?
Enuff Govt Already June 19, 2012 at 01:45 PM
.. the Gwinnett comparision..Gwinnett per their budget site says they pay $871.60 on at home valued at $188,000. Back in Dec the AJC reported DeKalb taxes on a $200K home at $878. The representative in Jan reported DeKalb taxes on a $200,000 home at $610. Gwinnett 911 calls for 2011 at 467,140 and DeKalb 911 calls for 2010 at 1.4 million, the north pct answered 100,00 of them per their yr end report. Gwinnett Fire/EMS @ 843 employees and DeKalb Fire @ 919 employees, GW sheriff @706 employees and DK sherifff @857 employees, GWPD @936 employees and DKPD @1240 employees. DeKalb has 699 sanitation employees and Gwinnett doesn't run a sanitation service. Gwinnet has 15 libraries, Cobb County has 17 and DeKalb has 23. It looks like the demands are different in DeKalb.
Enuff Govt Already June 19, 2012 at 01:56 PM
A new city will not create a utopia. Here are some quotes I spotted from some of our neighbors about their govts.... "Most importantly, this episode proves that Dunwoody really is a tale of two cities, one with ‘folks in the know,’ the other ‘second class." -Max in the Reporter "If this doesn’t stop now, Dunwoody will be the laughing stock of the new cities in Georgia".-Dunwoody Tom Cat in the Reporter 05/3012 "Jill Chambers predictions about Dunwoody were accurate and right on target"-Angry Albert on the Reporter 5/28/12 "The city of Dunwoody continues to grab the Atlanta headlines with negative news. Dekalb is laughing at us all!" -Rob on Dunwoody Patch 6/9/12 "I think Smyrna should change its name to FUBAR" .-Lisa K on Smyrna Patch "This is craziness; everything I was promised was a lie : ( . " –DL 06/15/12 p’tree corners patch "Dunwoody just paid $50,000 in tuition for a doctoral course in governance." Max on Heneghan’s blog 06/15/12 It doesn't matter if it's municipal, county or state it's still govt and the less of it the better. The sky is not falling and we don't need more govt.
HDM June 19, 2012 at 02:45 PM
Once DeKalb County jacks up the property tax rate again (you just know that bureacracy will do so) in Unincorporated areas Brookhaven will have a substantially lower tax burden, like Dunwoody.
HamBurger June 19, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Very interesting . . . Special hamburger? Cheerwine?
HamBurger June 19, 2012 at 03:19 PM
Yeah, Mr. Eddie, I am never going to Elan’s again! Please pass the yellow mustard!
hmm June 19, 2012 at 05:23 PM
HOLY MOLY ME OH MY! I can't believe Burrell Ellis' administration is taking a page out of Kasim Reed's playbook and paying an anonymous poster or 2 or 3 to flood message boards under different aliases with antagonistic and false information. Its effective in that it discourages the typical reader from using the message boards to ask questions and get information thus making a vote for a Change that much harder to sell. Well hope you anonymous paid posters at least spend some of your earnings in DeKalb. Because in the long run letting this ship run its course without change will hurt everyone. Incorporation of both more areas of DeKalb also helps the County Government because it allows it to focus better on the services it can deliver. Good luck, sorry I don't have time to stay, I'm on my way, but have to say, pay now or pay much more later.
Eddie E. June 19, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Johnathan, I don't know who those posters would be but that isn't really odd since I don't know most of the posters here. I just share their disdain for all aspects of the Opposed City. The hostility toward the county seems to belch forth most forcefully from those who can't pass muster with the citizenry at the County or State level. As for me, I am only on my own payroll at my own business that has been here for 30 years. How about YOU?
Eddie E. June 19, 2012 at 07:28 PM
Eric, Let me simplify. There will be a number of dollars (pick 100 for simplicity). There will be a number of things that eat dollars (Police, parks, zoning, city atty., council, mayor, etc.) Each dollar can only be collected once and can only be spent once. Selling the same dollar for use of the expenses that are important to any given individual while planning to use those dollars for another purpose (a cushion) that is vital to the little, tiny, toy Opposed City is more than a little dishonest. Don't you think?
not one of 60 June 19, 2012 at 07:33 PM
not one of 60 June 19, 2012 at 07:33 PM
http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/05/29/lets-tax-wealthy-foundations-the-same-way-we-tax-wealthy-individuals/ Imlay payday!
Max June 19, 2012 at 08:22 PM
OCCUPY Brookhaven!
Eddie E. June 19, 2012 at 09:34 PM
I have, since 1977!
Eddie E. June 19, 2012 at 09:35 PM
Does anyone with two brain cells to rub together really go to red state?


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