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Where Should Brookhaven City Hall Be Located?

Tell us what you think in our Patch poll.


A generated a ton of reader interest in regard to the subject of a new Brookhaven city hall.

Among the more than 200 comments the blog received were a lot of suggestions and ideas for the city hall's location.

So we pulled together a list of your suggested locations; developed the really super-cool interactive map that you see above; and created this brand-new Patch poll, which asks you to vote for your preferred location for our new city offices.

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John Q Public August 31, 2012 at 12:05 AM
For that matter, why don't we just get a Brookhaven Blimp that can float around and drop code violations all over the land. http://theotherbrookhaven.blogspot.com/2012/08/post-2-brookhaven-series-governmental.html
AshfordObserver August 31, 2012 at 02:45 AM
Building it over marta? Uh no
Eddie E. August 31, 2012 at 03:32 AM
Thanks! That idea was so stupid I just could not be the first to reply!!
don Gabacho August 31, 2012 at 03:58 AM
"The idea was so stupid I just could not be the first to reply!"---Eddie E. Ben is 95 years old. I had to watch the Republican Convention. It's now over. I'm sure I've worked out what the cases will be for the Georgia Bar Association and the Supreme Court of Georgia. What the hang up is knowing how injunctions work. I'll post on it tommorrow and hopefully get some worthwhile feedback from those "who, like myself, will waste no more time on these troupers." Enough feedback well before the Dec. 27 date for the still prospective new city to begin its impostion, the Dec.17 date it has somehow been shifted to, any future shift making it earlier and certainly before any enforcers are put in place including "about three months prior for traffic police" by a clearly non-elected commssion.
HamBurger August 31, 2012 at 03:10 PM
Mr. JQP, so, the “Smart People” created their own little city and then they had to organize a citizen’s group to keep them “Smart”? They have a citizen board of ethics, there is a recommendation to hire a hearing officer, and regardless of this, someone being scrutinized by these folks and does not like the outcome they can still file law suits to clear their name. And, the leaders of Dunwoody were engaged by Brookhaven Yes to sell the city of Brookhaven to us? I need to start selling popcorn . . . Please pass the yellow mustard!
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 03:37 PM
don Gabacho: You may be wrong, Ben may actually be 117. But the bible gives him to 120, so he does have 3 years left. And altho Moses was not permitted to enter the promised land, Ben is lucky to be in the promised land, City of Brookhaven, the term of office for the district 3 candidates is 3 years. One of Ben's friends told him to file for an extention when he gets to 120. Ben's main field of consentration was Taxation, so he does know how to file for an extension. Ben did not recommend the building on top of Marta. It was Mr. Troy Wile, who has an office on Clairmont Road. I wish that I could claim credit for that recommendation, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due. It was an excellent recommendation. The people appointed by the governor may do better, that remains to be seen. Ben Podgor
don Gabacho August 31, 2012 at 05:22 PM
Ben, this is what you posted: "As to the City Hall, one interesting suggestion was made by Troy Wile. Put it above the Brookhaven Marta Station. That does not mean we have to build it immediately." It "does not mean we have to build it immediately." I was reminding people to be considerate despite your condoning a 'corportatist' governance by seeking to gain office in that governance. Moreover it was the second time I did so. For all I knew you could have meant "above" to mean above (north of) Marta's location along the tracks from downtown Atlanta as New Yorkers might say. Ex: "It is above Central Park (when you or a place of reference are south of it)" as opposed to "It's below Central Park (when you or place of reference are north of it)". I won't be asking anyone to be that considerate again. Especially since there is nothing about this issue that contributes to nullifying the travesty that this 'corporatist'---but still prospective---governance is.
don Gabacho August 31, 2012 at 05:34 PM
PS: Ben, there is one question I do have to ask you: Have you any ties to Mike Jacobs---past or present?
Jack of Kings August 31, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Looks like we should know about who is on the Commission by Tuesday. I sure hope the governor's choices meet with your approval. Mr. Pastore: BTW, thanks for telling us what limits you have on your patience. "I won't be asking anyone to be that considerate again."
Corey Self August 31, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Phil - See the home page. The Governor's Commission was just announced.
don Gabacho August 31, 2012 at 06:04 PM
"...telling us what limits you have on your patience." Philip How you do project yourself onto others. It doesn't mean I would be inconsiderate. It means I respect Ben's obvious wish not to make special allowances for his age. Meanwhile Mr. Phil ___?___, you too are offering nothing toward the nullification of this travesty---but still prospective---'corporatist' goverance. Quite the contrary and, still, not worth valuable time. Well almost, in an attempt to find out who you are by doing an i'net search, I did find info new to me but not necessarily related to you: Jacobs telling people---not to consider who to vote for or not---but telling people just which candidates for judgeships to vote for---and not vote for---despite his being Vice Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. Go fish with someone else.
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 06:31 PM
don Gabacho 1:34 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012 PS: Ben, there is one question I do have to ask you: Have you any ties to Mike Jacobs---past or present? No. I do not have ties to Mike Jacobs-- past or present? Saw him one time years ago, probably at the beginning of his political career and he invited all the candidates where we saw each other for about 2 hours. I asked Mike Jacobs for a street map of Brookhaven which he says he has. Have not received it yet, so you can see I am not well connected. In fact I have very few connections. That is an asset. I am not going to see that all my friends and relatives get jobs with the City of Brookhaven. Ben Podgor
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 06:48 PM
don Gabacho: Above the Marta Station means getting the air rights, it means that Marta will have increased use and should welcome this. Mr. Troy Wile made an excellent suggestion. In fact, the Brookhaven Library is looking for space. Maybe they could fit in to it too. But, these are only suggestions, if you have a better answer let us hear it. Tell us why you think it is wrong. Ben Podgor
TomMiller August 31, 2012 at 07:36 PM
I read this Donald fella telling those on this blog that he is thinking about some kind of lawsuit (abuse) to challenge the city vote - he wants to 'nullify" it. It will never ever ever happen. I will tell you that you don't have the guts or the $$$ to do it. Even if you did there you will lose. Before you start on some Don Quixote tirade about the Courts being bought - this election was clean - no charges to date of any corruption, vote fraud, etc. etc. The run up - meeting in the GA Assembly, meetings with committees, the up and down vote - all of that - clean. You lost. I used to be a betting man. Still do it in places where it's legal. I'm betting no lawsuit ever gets funded filed or won.
Bill Lowe August 31, 2012 at 07:38 PM
Would you have to purchase a Marta fare to get onto the roof of the station for a meeting or to pay your fines? What would be the benefit to Marta to have it there? Was the station built to support a city hall on its roof? Maybe someone should request the original drawings and commission some certified architectural drawings to find out. What would it cost for the build out of such a facility? Would it be less expensive lease space that is already built to have the city hall/offices in another area? Is there a need for a glorified structure to be built at all?
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 08:50 PM
Bill Lowe: Mr. Troy Wile, with offices on Clairmont Road is the originator of this suggestion. He told me that it has been shown or discussed with people qualified to do the job. Placing the City Hall and maybe the Library above the Marta Station would at no point touch the roof, but be an independant structure. This is just a suggestion, why is such negative view brought into the discussion? Yes, we would have to consider cost, etc. The new Municipal court will not require people to go to the court to pay fines. They will be able to pay by electronic means.
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 08:55 PM
TomMiller: I believe that there is nothing to be concerned about, even if "this Donald fella" were to succeed in finding something wrong, it would not void the City of Brookhaven. All that it would do is remove that part from the Charter. Ben Podgor
Ben Podgor August 31, 2012 at 09:06 PM
BillLowe: One additional thought: If we build "a Glorified Structure" and do not use the space, it can be a source of Rent Income for both the City of Brookhaven and or the Library. Please discuss, without negative only views. Ben Podgor
Bill Lowe September 01, 2012 at 12:58 AM
If you have glorified space available it should be available to the citizens to use for free without rent, and only a cleaning fee charge. The point of the city is not to make money off of its citizens and businesses, but to provide services that the citizens and businesses already pay for. Non residents that wish to rent the structure for an event should pay rent AND the cleaning fee. There are lots and lots of places around town where you can rent the facility for an 8 hour block.....Too many of them. They are already set up to serve alcohol and food---which can be an issue in government buildings....Limit alcohol use in your facility, and you limit usability that will also limit your rental income. I know of a few places that have all of the facilities and they are lucky to have one rental a month. They can easily hold 300 + people with a full kitchen and bar available. Building something from the ground up, or above the Marta station should be talked about in 15 years. Hopefully there will be 25 million in the bank as reserves and a construction loan can be had after proving fiscal responsibility for a period of time. This is no doubt fun to dream about, but is a non issue for quite some time. Anyone that is running for office within the city should limit their talks to a leased location that will do the job at the best possible price.
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 01:18 AM
Philip, I had said: "Well almost, in an attempt to find out who you are by doing an i-net search, I did find info new to me but not necessarily related to you..." I forgot to mention what else I ran into. Mike has been a busy beaver indeed: He had claimed that a state-wide referendum would be required to allow a township, yet he authored the bill HB30: "To amend Title 36 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to local government, so as to provide for preclearance of new townships." This is not a trivial matter; nor is: "To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 45 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to conflicts of interest, so as to prohibit members of public authorities from participating in and communicating with any other member of such authority regarding any matter before such authority if such member...has a pecuniary interest in the matter..." This also is not a trivial matter. So? Thanks for motivating me to search the i-net.
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 01:30 AM
Nor is Jacobs' (and others') HB 203 a trivial matter: "To amend Title 36 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to local government, so as to provide procedures for issuing bonds, allocating bond proceeds, and distributing property that has been or may be improved using bond proceeds in a county that has activated a pubic safety and judicial facilities authority; to provide for the transfer to certain municipalities of certain county property located within the geographical boundaries of the municipality; to provide for definitions,... And, all together, quite...
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 01:44 AM
"This is no doubt fun to dream about..."---Bill Lowe The whole episode reminds of a fascination my grandfather had. He was an immigrant from Italy and during the old days a vacation for his young family was to take the subway from the Bronx to where the Port Authority is now in Manahatten and, from there, take a small ferry across the gorgeous Hudson and, on that shore below the Palisades, picnic, fish and marvel at the view of NYC. From there they saw the city built into the skyscrapers it became. From there they saw the spanning of the river by the truly magnificent George Washington Bridge. Later, everytime I drove him home from visiting relatives in Jersey, he would be in absolute awe of a huge building built over the Manhatten side of the bridge; where the bridge actually traveled through the building to finally reach the Isle of Manhatten. That passage through the building upon that bridge he called "glorified space" too.
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 01:57 AM
Thanks to, as inadvertant as it was, Phil's motivating me to search the i-net: "Dykhuizen, a board member of the Murphey Candler Homeowners Association, said the topic of creating a new city had come up in discussions when Rep. Mike Jacobs (R-DeKalb), who is a neighbor, met with the group. During the last legislative session, Jacobs introduced legislation allowing the creation of a city of Brookhaven in the area of DeKalb County between Chamblee, Dunwoody and Sandy Springs. Earlier in the session, he had introduced legislation allowing the area to vote on annexation into a neighboring city... ...The study will be conducted by the Carl Vinson Institute of Government at the University of Georgia, Jacobs has said. Jacobs recently announced he plans to hold a community meeting on May 24 to allow residents to question a representative of the Vinson Institute about the study. The meeting will be held at the Lupton Auditorium at Oglethorpe University and will begin at 7 p.m., Jacobs said. Dykhuizen said the citizens’ group intends to raise the money needed to pay for the study. He said they have not determined how much the study will cost, how long it would take or what terms of payment the institute will require." http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2011/05/19/group-forms-raise-funds-city-brookhaven-study/ Again, not a trivial matter.
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 02:08 AM
"I believe that there is nothing to be concerned about, even if "this Donald fella" were to succeed in finding something wrong..."---Ben Ben, that is not the problem. All I've been trying to do is get help framing plenty "wrong" in legalese. In the course of looking for info in that regard, I am finding so much "wrong" that, being one person, I'm can't handle it. ".. it would not void the City of Brookhaven. All that it would do is remove that part from the Charter."---Ben When even the whole is defective from its conception, so are all its parts consequent. As it is, with certain announcements made today under another subject title, the whole shebang may have become a federal matter---too.
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 02:12 AM
PS: And though he never said it, I'm sure he wanted his name on that "Glorified Structure" too
don Gabacho September 01, 2012 at 02:54 AM
"No. I do not have ties to Mike Jacobs-- past or present? Saw him one time years ago, probably at the beginning of his political career and he invited all the candidates where we saw each other for about 2 hours."---Ben Glad to hear it. 'I asked Mike Jacobs for a street map of Brookhaven which he says he has. Have not received it yet, so you can see I am not well connected. In fact I have very few connections. That is an asset. I am not going to see that all my friends and relatives get jobs with the City of Brookhaven." I can assure you that I was not considering nepotism. And, when I had said, we'd get you to bring your adding machine to the City Hall in Ashford Memorial Park, I had meant it. When I had asked you, also, if you had ever read "Garden of the Beasts," by Erik Larson, about the US Ambassador to Germany in Berlin from 1933 to 1936 (?), it was meant well too. So well, in fact, that, if you hadn't, I'd have brought it to you, to lend it to you; and, after your reading it, your having something really important to put your name on. I still will.
Grieg Ericsson September 03, 2012 at 12:14 AM
We need a Brookhaven Hot air Balloon (well you know what I mean - the kind you can fly around in).
Thomas P. Spencer September 16, 2013 at 04:39 PM
IDEA: LOCATING THE NEW CITY HALL IN THE HEART OF BROOKHAVEN AS THE CENTERPIECE OF A NEW "BROOKHAVEN CENTER" MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BROOKHAVEN-OGLETHORPE MARTA RAIL STATION SITE The relatively-recent mixed-use construction of numerous new buildings over the Lindbergh MARTA station right-of-way provides a great example for what could be done with the Brookhaven-Oglethorpe MARTA station 1500-car parking lot. The same number of cars (or many more) could be accommodated in parking structures on the MARTA-owned property, while affording the new City of Brookhaven the opportunity to efficiently build a new city hall and police headquarters in the ideal central location in the heart of our new city! While one or more appropriate structures are planned and built, temporary trailers or buildings could be located on the current spacious parking lot, and then removed once the new appropriate, properly-designed structure or structures are in place. Such a use would allow sufficient community input to be reflected in the ultimate use, without need for a wasteful rush to redevelop some other existing prime commercial Brookhaven real estate. As you may know, MARTA is NOT awash in excess revenues, and last I heard, MARTA management is open to the possibility of development of the Brookhaven-Oglethorpe station right-of-way, as a way to boost MARTA usage and revenues. The Lindbergh MARTA Rail Station provides an excellent model for how the Brookhaven-Oglethorpe Station site could become a wonderful asset to our new city - not just as a place for our new City Hall and police headquarters, but also for development of a new "Brookhaven Center" where appropriate office, residential, and mixed-use structures could provide a vibrant, logically-located core to Brookhaven! As you may have noticed, the Atlanta region has a traffic problem, and MARTA's rail system is only a partial solution to our traffic mess, but it IS A MAJOR ASSET to the City of Brookhaven, which could be of great benefit to our city's efficient function, if we locate our core city functions not only right at the geographic heart of our city, but within walking distance of the Brookhaven-Oglethorpe MARTA transit station platform, with easy access to Decatur, downtown Atlanta, and the Atlanta airport. Such a location would be a permanent benefit to our new city and an incredible addition to our transportation infrastructure. As a longtime Brookhaven resident and property owner (but currently away handling family matters in West Virginia), I wholeheartedly endorse consideration of the Brookhaven-Oglethorpe MARTA rail station site for a new Brookhaven City Hall and “Brookhaven Center!” Thomas P. Spencer info@brookhaven.com
HamBurger September 16, 2013 at 05:38 PM
Mr. Thomas, as you may know, BROOKHAVEN is NOT awash in excess revenues either. Please pass the yellow mustard!
Thomas P. Spencer September 16, 2013 at 06:33 PM
How true! That is why choosing an efficient location for the "home base" for our new city is so important! Private money should fund the development, and the Brookhaven City Hall, Police Headquarters, a new fire station (if needed), a new Brookhaven Library, and any other essential city facilities should be the centerpieces of a "Brookhaven Center" mixed-use development of the MARTA rail station 1500-car parking lot. A deal should be made with MARTA for the construction rights in exchange for construction of equivalent parking in new parking structures. The City could then allow private enterprise to build appropriate residential, office, and/or mixed use structures on the excess portions of the site, and the revenues from selling or leasing those building sites to private developers could be used to pay for the new city hall, library, and police headquarters! All of this could be a gigantic win/win for Brookhaven, if carefully and properly done with appropriate commmunity overview to assure that the taxpayers are not put at risk in any way!

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