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What Would You Like To See In Ashford Park?

A Patch series asking you, what would you like to see in our city's parks.


Brookhaven becomes a city at 12:01 am on Dec. 17, and one of the responsibilities our new municipality will be undertaking is maintenance of local parks.

A couple of weeks ago, a loyal reader suggested this idea to us: Patch could serve as a source of information for our if we asked residents, what would they like to see in our city parks?

So, for the next eight working days (Monday through Friday, Aug. 20-29), Patch will be running a series of articles asking you: what would you to see in a specific park? Maybe slides or play areas, or more picnic tables, perhaps. What about swings, monkey bars, or baseball fields? Or maybe better lighting or safer parking areas.

First on the list is . So share your thoughts with us in the Comments section below, or drop us an e-mail. We'll be happy to publish it.

Corey Self August 22, 2012 at 02:05 AM
Sybil & Raven- There are a lot of people in the community who share this idea, including several who have posted in this column. You may want to check out the Sustainable Brookhaven group.
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 02:13 AM
"I don't care what color you are - if you can't show some common decency and respect to property and to those around you - then - NO- you aren't welcome here. That's not about being an "elitist"- it's about being a decent human being. Now..." "With all due respect Kathie, it's not elitist when we do not want a bunch of ne'er do wells casing - er- hanging out in our neighborhood."---cRaven We know. You prefer very-do-wells casing -er- annexing our neighborhood. "I don't want to roll out the red carpet for them." You got that part right. "...ahead and sit and wait until the moment my comment is posted, and type out exactly what I said and then add your snide remarks..." "With all due respect Kathie, it's not elitist when we do not want a bunch of ne'er do wells casing - er- hanging out in our neighborhood."---cRaven
Corey Self August 22, 2012 at 02:20 AM
Mr. Pastore - Why don't we meet face to face to discuss this a bit more? I'll gladly walk you through how the citizens provided information to CVI for the study. I suggest we meet at Ashford Park as it is a short walking distance from your house. How does the weekend look for you? Say Saturday morning?
Jack of Kings August 22, 2012 at 02:22 AM
@don G-- How about allowing just ONE thread--just one--be welcoming to new posters that want to contribute some ideas without trying to show how inane you can be? Can you leave just one thread alone, please?
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 02:34 AM
Corey, Just answer the question: "What, and how much, other information was supplied to the CVI by the so-called 'citizens group' C4DK?" And while your at it: 1) Just who paid for the CVI study? And where did they get the money? 2) Just where in the Constituion of the State of Georgia does it say that townships, somehow being prohibited, would require, as your fellow member of the so-called "citizens committee," C4DK, "State Representative" Mike Jacobs, declared would require a state-wide referendum to allow? 3) Just how does the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution not read: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?
Jenny August 22, 2012 at 02:40 AM
Thanks Phil. I am a first time poster and probably won't return because of this person's negativity.. Do you know how to stop receiving emails whenever someone replies to a post? Thank you :)
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 02:53 AM
"How about allowing just ONE thread..."---Phil The latest reason: Crayola 4:35 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 "Donald Perra, Its BIG, BACK AND BOLD. El PRI sabe. No es bueno. No hablas de la votación. ¿comprende?"
HDM August 22, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Don't feed the troll.
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 02:59 AM
"Why don't we meet face to face to discuss this a bit more? I'll gladly walk you through how the citizens provided information to CVI for the study.---Corey Just step up and answer the question here "What, and how much, other information was supplied to the CVI by the so-called 'citizens group' C4DK?" And while your at it: 1) Just who paid for the CVI study? And where did they get the money? 2) Just where in the Constituion of the State of Georgia does it say that townships, somehow being prohibited, would require, as your fellow member of the so-called "citizens committee," C4DK, "State Representative" Mike Jacobs, declared would require a state-wide referendum to allow? 3) Just how does the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution not read: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?
Corey Self August 22, 2012 at 03:01 AM
Mr. Pastore - I'm afraid I can't answer all of your questions. I'll send you an email to spare the rest of the posters our back and forth on an issue that does not relate to this article in a any way.
HamBurger August 22, 2012 at 03:35 AM
Mr. Corey, that is a problem. Whenever anyone asks specific questions about C$ND, there are no answers forthcoming. Why? A lot of folks got hijacked into a new city by s slick political machine run by Rep. Mike Jacobs that many of the same people put into office. Instead of dealing with state related issues, he slowly pushed for a new city that caught many in the south by surprise. What he should have been doing was tending to state business, and using his influence to make changes to our county government and school system. Do you think he can now shift his attention to these important issues? Now, care to answer the C$ND questions previously asked? Maybe we would like to know? Please pass the yellow mustard!
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 03:48 AM
'I'll send you an email to spare the rest of the posters our back and forth on an issue that does not relate to this article in a any way.'---Corey It, along with other fundamental issues long stonewalled by State Rep Jacobs and C4DK-morphed-Brookhaven-Yes, certainly does There's no "back-and-forth" about it. I'm doing you a favor to publically explain, if any explanation possible, what you publically described not to be an "independent" study.
Jack of Kings August 22, 2012 at 03:53 AM
@Jenny. When you post, uncheck the box under the "Leave a comment" box that says--"Send me email updates for this article" That stops you from getting e-mails on all the subsequent posts. Please consider posting some more. Otherwise the negative and sarcastic posters win in converting these message threads into their own little forum.
Raven August 22, 2012 at 01:57 PM
Yes Jenny please continue to post. I'm sure you have valuable ideas like so many others who have posted here. Dean is right- don't feed the beast, troll, etc. Let's get out and enjoy another day with low humidity and milder temperatures! Can't wait to enjoy the outdoors!
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 03:08 PM
Saving the shill for later?
don Gabacho August 22, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Phil, Did you need translation? "Don[gabacho]ald Bitch, IT'S BIG, B[L]ACK AND BOLD. PRI* knows. It's not nice. Don't speak about the vote. understand?" "PRI": the MxGov's ruling party.
HamBurger August 24, 2012 at 03:15 PM
An interesting article and video about this park from January 2011. http://tinyurl.com/93f9t53 Please pass the yellow mustard!
Tim Darnell (Editor) August 24, 2012 at 06:20 PM
An email from a reader: I would like to see more trees or a shade structure added. In the summer time, the park is unbearably hot. The slides become too hot to use, and slides comprise a large percent of the play equipment. I would also like to see some new equipment added that is more appropriate for elementary school age children and older; for example, monkey bars, climbing walls, even fixing the basketball courts if a pool is off the table. I think a pool or splash pad with fountains would be great. The city of Norcross has a really nice park in the downtown area that serves as a great model of what I'd like to see. With the proximity of the elementary school and the number of families in the neighborhood, I think Ashford Park should really be a model park. I would also consider opening the building to community classes for children and adults.
Kim Gokce August 25, 2012 at 02:07 PM
I've been an owner in AP since '97 and a resident of the area since '86 and Memorial Park has been a wonderful asset throughout. I was one of the ne'er do wells that played b-ball here in the 80's/90's. I also have been one of the parents with a toddler that has "taken over" the park. In fact, we celebrate my little ones birthday today in the AP building as we have for years. It is a wonderful facility. For the record, it was Vernon Jones and Ronnie Mayer who made the new building happen in a healthy fight. Our family like others here shares the concerns about shade and more diverse play options. We started using Shady Valley Park in Pine Hills as a better alternative for play - as per name, it is ALL shady and the City of Atlanta has done an amazing job with the small but diverse play sets on a rubberized bed. To me, this park is the best model for AP - it has two tennis courts, one b-ball court, and a modern and inviting play set area that can serve kids from diapers to grade school. The discussions about who the park attracts are not going to be productive so I recommend we focus on the types of uses folks want and go from there. If we have the best uses desired by folks across artificial boundaries, then everybody wins. Our family uses every park mentioned in this thread and others. I meet neighbors from all corners of north Atlanta at all said parks and to me that is the way it should be - our parks can compliment one another. They can't all be Brookrun or Piedmont.
Kim Gokce August 25, 2012 at 05:02 PM
Somewhere up there was also a topic about youth soccer - the Cross Keys Foundation conceived, advocated for, and helped push through a joint facilities use agreement between DeKalb County School District and the Atlanta Metro YMCA (Cowart). This agreement permits the Y to run youth programs such as soccer on the fields at Cross Keys HS and Seqouyah MS. As we speak, the third year registration is underway. The Y gets to use the fields to operate managed recreational programs and in return invests some of the dollars back into field maintenance and improvements (sorely needed at Brookhaven's long-neglected high school). Our Brookhaven area public schools are our most under-utilized assets in my opinion. And while the school system obviously is not part of the city governance to be formed, I believe we should be encouraging more partnership - pubic/private and inter-governmental - on school grounds. Everything from after school programs, adult/continuing education, extra-curricular and recreational programming should be a high priority. Cross Keys and Woodward sit on just under 40 acres of land 1 mile from Briarwood Recreational with most of it undeveloped and/or unmanaged. The largest baseball field in DeKalb is on Curtis Drive. The YMCA partnership has displaced unauthorized activities and increased opportunity for our youth. Let's do more via partnering agreements on this 40 acres and the under-utilized lands at Ashford Park ES, Path, Montclair, and Montgomery.
Kim Gokce August 25, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Your comment gave me a flashback 1997 when my cousins from Turkey were visiting with me in Ashford Park. They had a toddler at the time and I took them to picnic at AP Memorial on a beautiful Saturday morning under one of the few trees over by [what was] the basketball court. A woman walked by with her dog which proceeded to squat right in front of us as we munched on our lunch. The "lady" walked on ... my cousin, being a big city boy from Istanbul said, "Excuse me, my son is playing around here. Please pick up your dog's poop." She whirled on him and said, "Why don't you just go back to your own damn country," and walked calmly away. I was embarrassed for my country and my neighborhood. We are bigger than that and I know that we can picnic with our families, walk with our dogs, have parties, play tennis and basketball without devolving into the Lord of the Flies. Appropriate conduct is a social and law enforcement question and we need to mindful of it whether there is or is not a basketball court at AP.
Brookhaven Maven August 25, 2012 at 05:55 PM
To Kim @ 1:03pm - Montgomery fields are (to the great consternation of the majority of the nearby neighbors) under contract to Concorde Fire Soccer, which also uses the YMCA fields near Marist. Montgomery Elementary's principal contracted with Concorde (without public input) for their exclusive use of those fields. No one else is allowed on the fields for any purpose at any time. Underutilized? Perhaps, but what can be done about it?
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 06:21 PM
"We are bigger than that and I know that we can picnic with our families, walk with our dogs..."---Kim Gokce Unfortunately, Ashford Park's park should be off-limits to dogs, leashed or not, despite there being, as has been one posted concern, the numbers of kids there. The proposals already made to even fence off part of the small park indicates an impossible scenario: Every driver within miles bringing their dogs for, in part, "dog owners to socialize." I have to ask, again, to one and all: "When was the last time you were in Piedmont Park's dog park? That is without your galoshes, a gas mask and a fly-squatter"? I'm not sure, but in recent months Piedmont's dog park either may have been closed or people are bringing pressure to close it, for the very same reason.
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 06:32 PM
P.S.: "When was the last time you were in Piedmont Park's dog park? That is without your galoshes, a gas mask and a fly-squatter?"---Me Or even near it? Within the equivilent of a city block or two?
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 06:44 PM
"God, I know. Toys at a playground? Totally ridiculous. Next thing you know these parents..."---Anon ...may have the consideration for their neighbors to compromise: Put a toy pen, in the otherwise useless verandah section of the Mini-Country Club House facing the parking lot, for depositing toys used upon the parents or their nannies leaving the park. And please don't tell me or anyone else that it would require this new (but still nullifiable) governance to approve or not. Or even do it or not. If people have the money to rent the clubhouse and show movies, they, even if they skip one such event, have the money for a simple toy pen.
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 06:49 PM
"don - Hopefully those elected will take note and realize we have some incredible assets in the community when it comes to sustainable planning."---Corey Self I promise you, we don't need any new governance to plant even a day lily bulb.
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 07:25 PM
We were playing baseball. All 24 of us, when a woman with her Little League team trailing behind her told us that we had to leave the field becuase she had scheduled it with the town's government---despite even two adjacent baseball diamonds empty of players. I told her that her team could play us and, if they won, the field would be theirs. That was the time-honored rule at the time for all sports from city streets to country meadows---any court or field. The kids behind her, crisp in washed and ironed uniforms, gleemed with excitement to accept the challenge. The woman said, there would be too many players. I told her that we let everyone play no matter if if means five outfielders, two short-stops or whatever, as long as even numbers from each side were fielded. She said she'd get the cops...
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 07:32 PM
...I told her go ahead; and with that she stomped off to an adjacent, available field with, again her not noticing the team she thought she owned, trailing behind her visibily disappointed. We were even our own referees and umpires. We learned the rules of any game not by any book or instruction but by simply discussing any conflict that might arrise and figuring out what the fairest thing to do would be, which, as it turned out, were the rules. Three days ago, on the news two Little Leagers were intervied at the Little League World Series. Cookie-cutter, they were delirous with pride for parroting the same trite pros do about players of a game. Should it be no wonder that children are not even learning anything in schools anymore when they are so everywhere diallowed to learn for themselves? I've seen young adults playing soccer in Ashford Parks Memorial Park. On the shady field by the railroad tracks and even on the basketball court both before and after it was vandalized. Those kids didn't require any official field. Any fence. Any cops.
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 07:37 PM
PS: On occasions there were kids who thought they could lie and cheat. Be bullies. But---Gues what?---we learned how to deal with that---too. And just for the record: whenever a girl (this was the 4th grade) wanted to play, all that would happen is her was having to watch us boys scratch our heads for a moment before being invited to join in.
don Gabacho August 25, 2012 at 08:04 PM
PPS: Although winning was important. We learned it was never all-important and, instead, learned to be more interested in a 'fair' game; which meant even no bench-warmers. So: Knowin who were the really good players and the really lousy players, for any game, we'd divide the players so both teams would have equal players of both really good players and really lousy players. For ex: I could never be on the same team as Howard because we were that good. And Pete and Louey could never be on the same team because they were that bad. But, in the end, everyone played; and played to win.

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