What Should Be the Name of the New City?

Ashford or another name?

The House Governmental Affairs Committee in favor of an amendment to change the name of Brookhaven to Ashford in HB 636.

If the name Brookhaven must change, and if you are dissatisfied with the city of Ashford, what are your ideas for alternate names for the proposed new city? Tell us in the comments.

Bart Simpson February 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM
The City of Arnold sounds better
brookhaven atlanta February 08, 2012 at 12:44 PM
C. Maxine Robinson February 08, 2012 at 01:20 PM
I am strongly opposed to making Brookhaven a city, under any name.
cmrc February 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM
How about the irony that an elected resident of 'historic Brookhaven' insists on changing the name to 'Ashford' which is also the name of the most visible opposition group, Ashford Neighbors. I suggest we resurrect the name North Atlanta. It is geographically relevant and it is a big enough name to include all the communities it covers: Brookhaven, Ashford Park, Drew Valley, etc. “The new restaurant just opened in Old Five Points, near the center of North Atlanta” “I live in Brookhaven, a neighborhood in North Atlanta.” “We just bought a perfect house in Drew Valley in North Atlanta. “I’ll meet you at Murphey Candler Lake in North Atlanta.” The name is important but there are additional important issues: 1) calmly and fully explaining the pros (and cons) to the entire area of consideration, 2) tweaking the boundaries where necessary, 3) re-examining the city council districts, 4) managing the city overlay in an orderly and non-contentious manner to avoid wasting time and money in litigation with the county. Deep breaths everyone, slow deep breaths…
Joe February 08, 2012 at 02:33 PM
All of these comments are all well put. The question of what to name a city that isn't a city, shouldn't be a city, and won't be a city is Jacobs salesmanship at it's worse. More government, especially at this time, is insane. Look at what government has brought us, folks. And ask yourself, what does ANY level of government do well? How about the 90 DC City employees who are on unemployment and on the DC payroll? The roads are crap, the employees are unemployable in the real world. School results are pathetic, and school employees cheat us and kids to make themselves look better. Does anyone anywhere believe that government spends our money wisely and efficiently? Oh, your religion doesn't allow abortion or birth control? Too bad, you have to pay to provide those services for your employees, or we will fine you into submission. Have you seen your water bill lately (City of Atlanta up 88% in three years)? How bout MARTA? GA400 tolls...."They will be eliminated once the bonds are paid off, WE PROMISE, TRUST US!". Those brilliantly thought out toll lanes on I85. Why in the world would we want MORE of any of that? I can hear Mikey in the background saying "We'll be better. We'll be good government. This will be GOOD for you. Lower taxes, better service, friendly efficient employees, TRUST ME."
Michael February 08, 2012 at 02:38 PM
The name should be changed back to Brookhaven. Just because some stiff from Historic Brookhaven thinks the name is too exclusive to include the downright-Dunwoodian Murphey Candler Park is not a valid reason to strip the entire area of its name. I feel that there would be many people who would rather Brookhaven not incorporate at all than be known as something else. If people think the name of of a new city doesn't matter and can be changed against the will of its residents, they are wrong. The fact that there already exists a "Buckhead, Georgia" was enough to kill the Buckhead cityhood movement. Rep. Linsey proclaims that he is "certainly open to something else, just not Brookhaven." Well, Rep. Lindsey, it's not up to you to dictate what we will call our city. At this point, I think the movement to keep the Brookhaven name will only increase, if for no reason other than showing Rep. Lindsey that neither he nor anyone else in his Historic Brookhaven brat pack owns the name.
don Gabacho February 08, 2012 at 03:52 PM
"If the name Brookhaven must change, and if you are dissatisfied with the city of Ashford..." How brazingly biased! Why the exclusion of those opposed to any new city, annexation, etc. decreed by these so-called 'legislators'? Have they not given more than ample reason for anyone to not want to subject themselves and properties to their tax collectors? Their police? Their voting booths?
Chris Armistead February 08, 2012 at 04:12 PM
Haha those "Brookhaven stiffs" - how dare they protect the name of their established area when others want to leverage it to raise their own property values! I don't even live in the old Brookhaven area but it makes sense to call the city something else since Brookhaven is already a thing.
Chris February 08, 2012 at 04:58 PM
I do not know if I am for or against incorporating Brookhaven at this point; I have not heard a credible argument for either side yet. But I DO know I don't want to live in a town called "Ashford." It sounds as snobbish as the folks in 'Historic Brookhaven' apparently are. Let's just set aside the fact that I've lived in Brookhaven for fifteen years, within a few hundred yards of Peachtree, and have never heard the term 'Historic Brookhaven.' Do these people really think they are a significant enough part of the community to dictate the name of the whole area? By its very nature, the term 'Historic Brookhaven' implies that there is a larger outside area comprising the remainder of Brookhaven. Otherwise, there would not be a need for the 'Historic' part; the term 'Brookhaven' would only refer to their little hamlet (if it's under 800 people, let's just refer to it as a village). But it doesn't. Brookhaven is much bigger than just the historic block (though I haven't ever seen anything truly historic in that area, unless you want to count the crack houses years ago around Wimberly and Windsor Parkway). Brookhaven encompasses all the areas being considered for this project. It is how the entire Metro Atlanta area refers to our part of town. If any new city is to be created here, it should be nothing other than Brookhaven. And 'North Atlanta?' How about South Norcross, West Decatur, East Smyrna?...or better yet, just call it '8 Mile.' I'll refrain from using example sentences.
Rick February 08, 2012 at 05:06 PM
"By its very nature, the term 'Historic Brookhaven' implies that there is a larger outside area comprising the remainder of Brookhaven." That about sums things up nicely.
Jodi Cobb February 08, 2012 at 08:42 PM
Hello Everyone. A point of fact: "The National Register of Historic Places is the Nation's official list of cultural resources worthy of preservation. Authorized under the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966, the National Register is part of a national program to coordinate and support public and private efforts to identify, evaluate, and protect our historic and archeological resources. Properties listed in the Register include districts, sites, buildings, structures, and objects that are significant in American history, architecture, archeology, engineering, and culture. The National Register is administered by the National Park Service, which is part of the U.S. Department of the Interior." The National Register of Historic Places designated Brookhaven a Historic District in 1986 http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/ga/De+Kalb/state.html "Brookhaven Historic District (added 1986 - - #86000134) E of Peachtree-Dunwoody and N and E of Peachtree Rds. , Atlanta "
cmrc February 08, 2012 at 09:01 PM
Thanks for the nice list of names you do not like. Regarding North Atlanta, it was the name of the city that was previously incorporated in that area, that's why I suggested it.
don Gabacho February 08, 2012 at 09:20 PM
"I haven't ever seen anything truly historic in that area," The S. Goodwin House, though not in later "B'haven" (across P'tree) may be one of the most important sites in the nation. As I see it, it was from a rocking chair still in its living room where, General MacPherson, very likely mulling the dispatches from D.C. begging for a victory, got up, went to his horse (probably in the still extent orchard on Apple Valley Way) and charged the Confederates' outer defenses at P'tree Creek where he got himself shot in the back and killed. In turn, angering his own men to charge and start breaking through those defenses (mistaken as a rear action of a Union Army in retreat) resulting in the Fall of Atlanta and the rescue of Lincoln for a second-term. Certainly, if whatever happened in that house didn't, there would have been no Emancipation Proclamation. Twice I mentioned the story to the owners who are desperate to sell the property but save the house. The first time suggesting they ask the then Gov to at least donate land at Stone Mountain State Park. The second time to promote the Auburn Ave crowd to solicit the present Gov for the same. Several months ago, the best an Atlanta news program could do was promote the removal of the house of "five generations"---only---to anyone who would take it. Imagine? Thousands of touring darkies converging on Stone Mountain much less precious Brookhaven? So much for the present-day hooey of "Historic Brookhaven."
Frustrated Incorporated February 09, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Michael, The "Some Stiff" you refer to is Rep. Edward Lindsey tha majority whip. Hope he is'nt reading.
Teresa Penley Sheppard February 09, 2012 at 12:17 AM
My vote is to call it Brookhaven.
Michael February 09, 2012 at 02:36 AM
Oh, scawey! I'm shaking in my boots! I don't care if it's disrespectful to call Rep. Lindsey a stiff. His message to the rest of us over on the wrong side of the tracks is the definition of disrespect, and we will not stand for it. Perhaps Rep. Lindsey's true intention was not to preserve the exclusivity of "Historic Brookhaven," but to defeat the cityhood movement altogether. If that is the case, he may well be successful. A city of Brookhaven, or no city at all!
FannyPatch@yahoo.com February 09, 2012 at 03:01 PM
How about the City of Lessor Brookhaven?
Hugh February 09, 2012 at 07:52 PM
The national registered historic place name "Brookhaven" is commonly referred to as "Historic Brookhaven." This would exclude me and friends on the wrong side of the railroad tracks in "Brookhaven Fields" or "Brookhaven Heights." But in common use, ALL of this and more is "Brookhaven." My second choice is the old historic name "North Atlanta." I have nothing nice to say about the opponents of the name "City of Brookhaven."
Michael February 10, 2012 at 02:28 AM
A city of Brookhaven, or no city at all!
Chuck Konas February 10, 2012 at 01:18 PM
This whole commentary just exemplifies what a total joke this whole incorporation process is. We have the worst unemployment rate in the nation, the worst traffic congestion in the nation, our schools are a national disgrace, we are losing corporate re'lo's every month, our water issues are far from over and this is what our representatives are spending their time on??? Unbelievable!
Bill Lowe February 11, 2012 at 05:20 AM
I have a few possible names for the possible new city. The funny ones are at the top---this is mentioned for those that have no sense of humor. Crookhaven Brokehaven Toilet of Buckhead(1st stop after a drinking binge.) The new city will most likely revert back to the old city name of North Atlanta. Ashford will never pass if given to the voting public to decide on. I don't think the name can be changed easily after it has passed a public vote, because the charter would have to be amended, and another public vote would have to be called---once it got through the layers of government to have such a change made. Those in favor of a city would rather not have one than settle for a less than real estate price friendly name like Brookhaven. I have to say, the Toilet of Buckhead is a refreshing stop on the way down Peachtree.
Intermittent Steve February 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Goodbye Brookhaven… Hello Ashford? Well, this is the latest, and perhaps largest issue that has given me pause in Mike Jacobs crusade for cityhood. Like most residents in the area, I commonly refer to myself as living in “Brookhaven”. Although, I actually live in the Sunderland neighborhood off Johnson Ferry Road, but have often used “Brookhaven” to describe the general area in which I live. That being said, my cause for concern is this; was so little forethought put into this idea of creating a city that Mike didn’t take the time beforehand to find out if we could even use the name “Brookhaven”? It’s obvious, in this case, the name means everything, so wouldn’t that be the first thing you established BEFORE trying to convince almost 50,000 people that this is a good idea? It makes me wonder, in Mike’s fast-tracked crusade for cityhood, what other minor details have been overlooked…
Booyah February 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM
There was nothing overlooked, it was a political maneuver. Rep Ed Lindsey supported the opinion of his constituents in the City of Atlanta's historic Brookhaven neighborhood. A full one third of historic Brookhaven is in the Ashford footprint, not Fulton County. Sunderland and the DeKalb portion of historic Brookhaven can still say you live in the Brookhaven area. East Brookhaven Drive will be in Ashford.
don Gabacho February 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM
How about Troy for the Trojan Horse Jacob's proposal is? Word (692 K) - Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores portal.sre.gob.mx/atlanta/pdf/NC12nov07.doc http://bit.ly/nkqBuS http://bit.ly/odEZbI http://bit.ly/nWDzCU
don Gabacho February 15, 2012 at 05:40 AM
"There was nothing overlooked..." How would you know?
Thomas Porter February 15, 2012 at 08:27 PM
OK - no city at all. You win.
don Gabacho February 15, 2012 at 09:23 PM
:-) How about the "City of Spammed Brookhaven"? Tonight there's a meeting at Olgethorpe. I'm personally boycotting it. I'm sure he won't have the good and decent sense to---no questions asked---simply tenure his resignation., not just pick up his marbles and go home. Most preferably back to Florida. One thing for sure. He's not making my home his.
Intermittent Steve February 18, 2012 at 08:03 PM
I think this whole crusade for cityhood is a political maneuver. Rep. Lindsey asking that those of us living outside the registered historic district already called "Brookhaven" recognize and respect that name... isn't a maneuver, its a courtesy. The name "Brookhaven" shouldn't even be on the table. And, to those who insist that the name is EVERYTHING... is that really a reason to create a city? And, if not... why not ask to be annexed into Chamblee instead?
don Gabacho February 21, 2012 at 04:18 PM
"I have nothing nice to say about the opponents of the name 'City of Brookhaven.'" Good. Given that you would then, at least, not have "nothing nice to say about the opponents of" having any city at all---not even a choice on the matter.
Matt Foley March 11, 2012 at 04:21 AM
http://www.peopledirect.org/?p=834 - MUST READ SUBJECT: an open letter to Mike Jacobs and Fran Millar from a resident of "unincorporated Dekalb County" aka A-T-L-A-N-T-A Hey Mike and Fran - Can you demonstrate (with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, please) that your new city of Ass-ford or Brookhaven will be less costly to me and my neighbors and numerous others who oppose this farce!


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