Question Of The Week: Do Political Conventions Matter Anymore?

Have you been watching the Republican or Democratic conventions? Patch wants to know what you think about the modern political convention.

Political conventions used to be events where major, breaking news was made: Southern Democrats walking out on Harry Truman in 1948 over civil rights; Dan Rather getting roughed up by convention security at the Democrats' 1968 Chicago gathering; Ronald Reagan battling Gerald Ford for the GOP bid all the way to Kansas City in 1976.

But now, conventions are heavily scripted visual productions designed to show the voting public a smooth, well-coordinated message that they will hope will resonate with voters nationwide.

Regardless, convention-hosting cities see an opportunity to put their best foot forward, .

Despite threats from Hurricane Issac, Atlanta RNC delegates told Patch by the Tampa convention. And Patch readers had the opportunity to live, as it happened.

In Charlotte, members of outside the convention hall.

Inside, to show readers the excitement the First Lady caused on the convention floor. And after for the Democrats' party platform in support of gay marriage, Democrats waited in anticipation for .

So we want to know from you: have you been watching one or both of the conventions over the past week? Have any of the speeches moved you?

Do you think conventions matter any more? Or has that DVR been set to Project Runway instead? Take our Patch poll, and share your thoughts in the comments area below.

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"E Pluribus Unum" September 06, 2012 at 09:46 PM
Jonathan, This whole issue of smaller government by republicans is only when it makes sense to achieve an outcome they want. For example, less government and less regulations on environmental controls, corporate taxes , higher profits (greed), labor laws, and Wall Street governance (the stuff that created the mess we are in in the first place). At the exact same time, this shift to "states rights" is where republicans are have a field day in creating much more government on women reproductive rights, civil rights for LGBT community, punitive immigration laws, and voting rights restrictions, as examples. Talk about a bait and switch strategy. A couple of other points. For a party that is "value driven" they seem to be counter Christian teachings with a punishing budget for those impacted by poor economy, corporate greed and institutional racism. Also, Jesus wouldn't be for capital punishment, punitive immigration tactics, unjust wars, medical care, homelessness, and racism. Yes, all against abortion, but what about what happens when the baby is born! Finally, a goos friend of mine is dying of cancer. He hates President O'Bama and rails against the Affordable Healthcare Act. Yet, he is sincerely appreicative of Medicare and the offset to Rx expenses. What a disconnect.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 06, 2012 at 09:48 PM
Clarification above...Jesus against "unjust and no healthcare for the down and out"
Eddie E. September 06, 2012 at 09:50 PM
Was it a religious convention? Is there any reason to bring any hint of religion, superstition or cities in foreign countries into the discussion? Durbin's better answer might have been 'bite me'.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 06, 2012 at 09:52 PM
Last point for now....the over the top, extreme availability of weapons of destruction couched in "rights to bare arms." Crap, the hate para military groups in our country are better equipped than many counties. Again, I don't thing Jesus would approve. He would be tearing down the institutions the republicans are trying to build up, in their quest for "smaller government and individual freedom."
Eddie E. September 06, 2012 at 09:52 PM
And here at home, we get to see the same 'bait and switch' developing in our yards!
John Q Public September 06, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Hey Y'all. I have been watching the BGOBF Convention. It's a real hoot. Just now we had a speaker tell everyone that there will be this city in North Dekalb that will have wonderful parks, pothole free roads, double the police numbers, money rolling in in train cars, and the whole shebang! There will always be a rainbow and at the end will be Brookhaven. Boy. What an experience. The Brookhaven Good Ol Boy Faction has really put on a spectacular show and the guy making those incredible balloon animals was amazing! The only issue was the episode where a crowd was fighting over the leftover hotdogs. http://www.thecrier.net/news/article_e327ec68-e879-11e1-a501-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=image&photo=
Jonathan Belcher September 06, 2012 at 11:09 PM
A society cannot endure if it has more takers than givers. History loves to repeat itself. Your arguments of the rich having a bigger hand in the destruction of our country and government has been made before in Russia before the Bolshevik revolution. The wealthy people were the root of all evils in their society as well. The communist promised everyone would be equal and nobody would be hungry and everyone would get a state education for free and healthcare for free. Sound familiar? Nothing is free in this world we live in. Somebody has to pay. Ask any Russian living here in America their thoughts on how that worked out. Unfortunately with the rise of communist and socialist government, it opens the door for dictators. Stalin killed 25 million of his own people to protect the party. It also makes way for fascism and nationalist behavior like we are currently seeing from our European neighbors like Germany and France. Who both leaders have publicly stated that multiculturalism has been an utter failure in both countries. We have a great melting pot of people and ideas in our country. Problem with that melting pot is this, If you add too many ingredients and don't cook it at the right temperature, it might boil over. I wonder who will be willing or able to clean up the mess. I hope you are all able to be self sufficient and can take care of yourselves when the time comes. I see a bad storm on our horizon. I'm ready for that storm. The question is, Are you?
Scott Tewell September 06, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Oh brother!
Gray Wolf September 06, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Sometimes a white Southern guy in the Atlanta burbs like me gets a little overwhelmed by the reactionary elements all around him. It's good to know that there's still the possibility of change.and enlightenment.
Gray Wolf September 06, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Jonathan, if you are upset that social security requires a number, then you should be positively outraged at GOP/TP attempts to take away the vote from citizens--usually the poor. minority, disabled, and elderly--without a government-issued ID. By the way, this is the same crowd that just a few years ago deplored the possibility of a national ID card as a Communist plot. Please don't let these hypocritical demagogues pull your chain!
Gray Wolf September 06, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Jonathan, this country is nowhere close to being Communist, and it is not going to be. You cannot assume that citizens in our society must choose between being self-sufficient and being Communists. That is a fallacious either-or argument. We can have a social safety net and protection from catastrophic health emergencies without being slaves to Pol Pot or Joe Stalin. The other premises in your posts are also pretty shaky as are your attempts to connect them to a Grand Conspiracy. Otherwise, welcome to America.
Jonathan Belcher September 07, 2012 at 12:56 AM
Joseph Goebbels, and Stalin both understood and mastered using propaganda through control of the media. If they said it often enough or loud enough people would eventually believe what they were being fed, even if it was not factual or truthful. I always hear people throwing Fox under the bus for being spokesman for the Republican party. I'll give you Fox are for the Republicans. Now let's talk about who's in the tank for the Democratic party. ABC,CBS, NBC,CNN,MSNBC,HBO,Comedy Central, don't forget Hollywood and most print newspapers that have not yet gone out of business. Who has the advantage when it comes to pushing their party and ideals? It's not the Republicans.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 04:21 AM
Eddie E., thank you for bringing me back to front and center. Yes...Brookhaven start up. I was fixing to chase a rabbit with Jonathan. But if I take his logic to a conclusion....he wouldn't support a new city. It would be adding more government on top of more government. Right? Hey, he may end up being an ally.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 04:32 AM
Jonathan....sincere questions. Are you a big Anne Ryan advocate? Next, are you a follower of John Birch philosophy (or an Aryan group)? I am just trying to better understand where you are coming from.
Jonathan Belcher September 07, 2012 at 05:47 AM
I appreciate your sincere questions. I've read A.Ryan, follower no. I've always believed in God. Do I think she might know a thing or two about communism and their tactics? Sure do. I think you would have to be pretty arrogant and naive to tell someone who fled Russia and communism which directly affected her family and their livelihood that they were mistaken about their experience. Birch, nope. Again I believe in God. Aryan? Now your trying to be funny with that question. My father was Native American and worked with and was adopted by many tribes during his life. I've help run, and now own my families business. Rays we've operated in Avondale as a family since 1947. My father was good friends with Hosea Williams. I was privilege d to hear him and my father have many conversations on life, politics, you name it. I have also been honored to volunteer with Hoseas feed the hungry. Great organization. My family has the largest collection of Native American goods and Jewelry in the Southeast. We love Native People and their art. My Pa also was friends, sparring partner with the late Manuel Malloof. My family is very familiar with both parties and their tactics and history. I went with Jimmy Carters friendship force to take medical supplies and canned goods to Moscow in 1992. Labels have never worked to well with me, but nice try. Enjoy this video, it addresses my concerns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Jonathan, good morning and thank you for providing context. You describe an amazing life story and your father as someone very caring and knowledgable. I've looked at the links provided. I will have to go back and study them in greater detail because I am still trying to translate theories and philosophies I am not aware of....as a result "you're speaking Latin and I'm hearing Greek." Poor metaphor but hopefully you understand what I am trying to convey. So PC is cultural Marxism and the ultimate outcome is the demise of society? Am I understanding this correctly? If so, say more on how it plays out in our daily lives. The concepts seem very mysterious. Maybe that is why I used labels earlier because "mysterious concepts" came from groups seen as fringe....such as the Birchers. The Aryan was triggered by your "bad storm rising" and get ready for it. Again, that foreboding seems to come from those elements in society....also Birchers at times. No offense intended. Thank you for recognizing that. So PC is cultural Marxism and the demise of civilization? If I am anyway close, say more on how it plays out today. Provide more context of who is behind the curtain and why?
Clicker September 07, 2012 at 12:35 PM
"Is there any reason to bring any hint of religion, superstition or cities in foreign countries into the discussion?" Well obviously the Dems thought there was a reason to do so. The black eyes they took before changing the platform probably convinved them. Now they are backtracking and pointing fingers at boogey-men; no one wants to own up to the original platform language. Joe Trippi said this morning that the platform is meaningless and the decision was made before the vote. They waste time and energy on something they say is 'meaningless' and expect to be taken seriously?
Clicker September 07, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Anne Ryan? Didn't she play Granny on The Beverly Hillbillies? I didn't know she was a writer too.
Tim September 07, 2012 at 01:34 PM
Jonathan, however bad some say the communist led country of the Soviet Union was, if you study history it was BETTER for the average person than the previous system of serfs and lords, Tzars etc basically. Not to say there are not better systems, but to say the communist governement was worse than the previous one is generally incorrect.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 01:39 PM
Clicker....interesting reaction to "religion" and the Democratic platform. The RP and many elements within the party are the ones concerned about any candidate's faith (meaning Christian) belief. Many even espouse breaking down the wall and separation between Church/state and rewrite history about being a Christian country. It's driving some crazy thinking they now have 2 Catholics, a Morman and a Protestant who many think is Muslim running for the highest political offices in the land. BTW, did you see the article intoday's AJC about the 10 Commandments now hanging in the halls of the Georgia State Capital? Scary. I wonder if they used the original and correct version of the 10 Commandments (vs the 20 + different Christianized versions)? I doubt it.
Atl Resident September 07, 2012 at 01:48 PM
Jimmy Carter and Obama are the worst President's ever!
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 03:40 PM
AR, Regarding O'Bama, are you completely disregarding Republican fiscal, regulatory, military (unnecessary wars), roll back of previously legally enacted Civil, Women, LGBT rights, enabling corporate greed, as examples, to create the hell hole he inherited? Add on top of that an obstructionist TP influenced Congress who ethically abandoned their responsibility to govern for all citizens....and you blame the President?
Jonathan Belcher September 07, 2012 at 06:25 PM
Ok, good civil discourse without insults to someone with possibly different beliefs is always a positive. I have a lot if experience in life when it comes to history and political discourse. I think my concerns about cultural marxism are more detailed in explanation with the video link I provided, than what I could produce with the limit of 1500 characters that I'm limited to on this comment. The video I provided earlier is around 22 minutes. It is a brief description of Cultural Marxism, its origins and founders. I will also provide to you a more detailed and longer video for you to watch, if you so choose. That explains this thought process more, with more context for our modern times than the one provided earlier that was produced in the 90s. The longer version has Pat Buchanan in a few portions of the video. Most of my liberal friends cant stand him. Please don't cut off the video because he is in it. Ron Paul also makes a good amount of appearances as well. It's a very telling in my opinion. I invite you to send me whatever links, videos that portrays your concerns with our society? Balls in your court. I think our country would be better off if we could discuss our difference, without trying to throw someone under a bus, for having a different view of things. Again sorry for the length but it hashes out and best describes my concerns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
JamesMichael September 07, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Oh. OK. If you say so.
"E Pluribus Unum" September 07, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Jonathan, I understand the challenge of conveying multilayered theories within the 1,500 word limit. The links you are providing are helpful. I did watch the 22 minute History of PC (William Lind narration). That's why I used the Latin/Greek analogy earlier. I was having a difficult time keeping up with what was discussed because it's not concepts and conversations I run across often (if ever). That's why it hits be as being "conspiratorial." I will commit to viewing the other links provided and better understand the threat from your perspective. In the meantime, one question. As you understand cultural Marxism, does it cross all institutions and political parties?
Jonathan Belcher September 07, 2012 at 09:17 PM
Yes it does have an effect on all our higher educational institutes, and yes both parties as well. Later in the film, Pat Buchanan throws Bush under the bus for his part in our financial collapse, also there is mention of commiting to war without congressional approval. Honestly I have a hard time finding truth, when it comes to either party. I also am saddened we no longer have an objective media, Just political cheerleaders for either party playing the roles of so called journalists. I wonder what year objective journalism died in this country? The role media plays today in our society does not bring us together to discuss our differences. Instead it pushes us further apart while vilifying the other side. They are not good stewards, as they make themselves out to be. They a part of the problem, not the solution. We deserve better.
Gray Wolf September 08, 2012 at 12:51 AM
Gee. Thanks for sharing that with us. Glad you got it off your chest. Now to move along . . . .
plcogan September 10, 2012 at 11:25 PM
well said, Jonathan!
Rick D. Day September 21, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Note the disparity in votes between the first and second questions. Project Runway? How about an option for "I kept up with it through the internet news"? You know, intelligent people.
Rick D. Day September 21, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Hi, can you cite a sources who's name does not end in Limbaugh for that nugget of magic? No? Didn't think so.


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