Cityhood: Yes Or No?

This poll will run from now until July 31.

It's the big issue of today: whether or not Brookhaven residents will vote to become their own city on July 31.

This poll will remain on Brookhaven Patch from now until election day. And we invite everyone to continue the very lively and informative discussion that has been characteristic of our coverage thus far.

Enuff Govt Already June 12, 2012 at 06:05 PM
".. the CVI study had a recommendation of 20-25 cops to protect Dunwoody. It seems that the experts at CVI and Dunwoody Yes missed the boat on that number. After hiring a first rate Police Chief, it was determined that to be protected to the levels that the citizens expected, 47 police officers were needed."-Bob Lunsten' blog "We all know CfD/Dunwoody Yes were propaganda engines and the CVI studies have about as much merit as a Philip Morris funding study showing smoking is benign." -Sight Edman in response on Mr. Lunsten's blog
Annie G June 12, 2012 at 07:06 PM
The BIG money developers are behind the NO movement. His name is Chuck Konas, he is a regional VP for post apartments. Post greatly benefits from DeKalb's liberal approach to allowing them to develop apartments everywhere. Did you know Dunwoody was down to just about 53% residential single-family housing by the time they incorporated?
Annie G June 12, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Peachtree Corners numbers are higher than CVI because elected officials went well above what is needed AND there's no tax cap like in the city of Brookhaven.
HamBurger June 12, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Posted by Ms. Ali Stinson with the Vinson article: "Peachtree Corners taxes are capped as well. The elected officials are deciding to go right up to that cap despite promises made during the city hood campaign that the full millage would not be required. To paraphrase our mayor - the feasibility study was just to prove that the city was feasible so the legislature to put it on the ballot; it is not a budget. All I am saying is you all would be better served focusing on the Charter. That document is what will allow the politicians who ultimately run the city to tax and spend. Vote based on how you feel about the constraints and allowances there. The feasibility study is just a theory. The Charter will determine your reality."
HamBurger June 12, 2012 at 07:15 PM
Ms; Annie, is Post building in Atlanta? Do they have plans to build in Atlanta in the near future? How about DeKalb? Special haamburger?
Eric H June 12, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Annie G - Your Chuck Konas charge is BS. He's a resident. Just because his job is with Post doesn't mean its some plot by apartment developers. And besides Apartments are not in and of themselves a problem - I don't have any problem with the Town Sembler apartments (though I have a problem with the tax abatement). Now perhaps if someone lived outside the area maybe you could question their motives if they had an employer with potential zoning interests. Or someone with an employer with a pending interest such as Sembler who apparently will have to renegotiate their tax abatement agreement with a new city (granted I imagine the new city would have to offer the same deal they are getting?) Hamburger yes Peachtree Corners had a tax cap, problem is it generated revenues way above the needed expenses so apparently the folks ran up to the ceiling as fast as they could. But that's also a starting proposal, we still don't know what the ending budget will be do we?
not one of 60 June 12, 2012 at 07:32 PM
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-council-members-eye-zoning-changes-to-stop-projects-in-near-downtown-neighborhoods/ The problem wth Mega apartments & mutliple apartments they cause major impacts on the roads and other systems (parks, etc that we do not aeven have) Not to mention the older and more run down they get; they then become only low income housing - not mixed use. Look at Buford Highway? Great planning: NOT...
not one of 60 June 12, 2012 at 07:38 PM
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-council-members-eye-zoning-changes-to-stop-projects-in-near-downtown-neighborhoods/ Over abundance of Apartments is not a good long term development ideal. short term they are making money. Long term they do not build communities; just long term tempoary transient shelters...As to Mr. Konas agenda no one really knows...but the Commissioners do depend on Devleopers for their contributions (IE: Gwinett County & Every other County Commission in GA). The power of zoning, land use, police force and code enforcment is really what this "fight" is all about! Anyone who says otherwise....it is revenue nuetral for the residents not so much for the other unincorporate areas or the Dekalb Commission would not be fighting it so much. I do not care where corruption is: the entire School Board & the Dekalb Commisison need to get their acts straight and learn to manage money and ablacne budgets...this recession did not come out of the blue....
Eric H June 12, 2012 at 07:54 PM
Right now there is demand for apartments as that is the one part of the real estate market with declining vacancy rates or demand increasing faster than supply. https://www.reisreports.com/Markets/Georgia/Atlanta/Apartment/ But I certainly agree you don't want an overabundance. And as to lacking community building powers or being temporary I think that can be a problem though not necessarily one. And its not necessarily the notion of it being an apartment but the way its built. Garden style apartments tend to be generic. The type of apartments at Town Sembler on the other hand with retail built in and a community tend to be more stable because they are in a community with amenities and not merely just one of many fungible products. Even the post garden style apartment next to the Brookhaven MARTA station with its access to those restaurants has held up better despite being a typical garden apartment because its access is not fungible. And as has been discussed elsewhere the Apartments along Buford highway I think are not a problem. There could be more more work to control crime and better pedestrian facilities would do wonders for the corridor, but seeing how this is the only corridor with a viable private transit service and MARTA its a pretty amazing hub of economic and social activity. Like i said if you haven't gone to Plaza Fiesta on a Sunday yet do it soon.
not one of 60 June 12, 2012 at 08:15 PM
There is, this is not anything against the people that live along the mass of apartment complexes along buford highway. It's not there fault the whole strip was zoned for aprtments and commercial. But over a mile + of apartment complexes back to back to back, does not promote or create a community, any way you slice it, Sorry! Many poeople live there because it is close to the city/jobs/marta & affordable. That said, in the long term, mixed use communities inclusive of all income levels would generate a better long term land use, then just satsifying the current market trend.... Money should not be the primary focus for long term urban planning...generating healthy, safe, viable, and sustainable communities should be!
don Gabacho June 12, 2012 at 09:01 PM
"Are those some of those "facts" developed by your illegally paid lobbyist?" And Jacobs having---at minimum---been a "Committee Member" of the committee essentially lobbying the state government to approve a referendum for cityhood---while taking his pay as a Congressman---- is "legal"? Much less a referendum that must be as invalid as his own election given the MxGov being provided and using our voter registration forms? At best it would be illegal for any congressperson to do---at best---nothing about that government being provided and having our voter registration forms. The "fact" is, they do have their oaths of office. Don't they?
don Gabacho June 12, 2012 at 09:17 PM
"I sometimes get the feeling that there are about 12 people that spend all day long reading and commenting on these posts...fighting a viable city."---Jonathan What is "sad" is your expectation, of which you are obviously not alone, that anyone and everyone opposing should just roll-over and play mute for your "viable" city.
don Gabacho June 12, 2012 at 09:59 PM
"...nothing more than a glorified Home Owners Association...---Hamburger It sort of reminds me of the "Home Owners Association" which governs the condos where I live in Ansley Park. The association is also the Property Management company---meaning if you want, for example, the roofing company to be tasked with making good on their warranty nothing will be done by the Homeowner's Association given the roofer being on the association's board too. When challenged that that is illegal for being a "conflict of interest," they respond demanding the law that cites it! So much for legal precedents. Sound familiar? As in the public-office holder Jacobs being, or supposedly having been, on the pro-Brookhaven City committee but a "(I am) a citizen too"?
Eric H June 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM
"don Gabacho don Gabacho @ 5:59 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 "It sort of reminds me of the "Home Owners Association" which governs the condos where I live in Ansley Park." Wait a minute you live in Ansley Park in the City of Atlanta? Wow.
don Gabacho June 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM
"Wait a minute you live in Ansley Park in the City of Atlanta?" i meant Ashford Park. It's the pain-killers.
Professor June 13, 2012 at 05:01 AM
Sung to Deep Purple, "I say NO! NO! NO!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETeumVKeyqQ We ain't got the dime for franchise fees and fines! Leave us alone! We're happy with our homes. The BrokehavenYes attorneys try to make us believe their lie. Rep. Jacobs wouldn't give us time to get a second study, even tho' we said, WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Jacobs rushed us to a sneaky July 31st voting date, hoped we would be too late. We said, VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! Jacobs says You'll get more police. We laugh HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Jacobs says, Trust Me and BrokehavenYes. We say No! No! No! Bloat-Haven tried to make the boundaries so vague, we wouldn't GO VOTE NO! City-Yes tried to rush a Power-Grab, but we vote NO! NO! NO! NO! City-Slickers told us, Don't read the Charter, Trust us. We said, kNOw! kNOw! kNOw! kNOw!
Professor June 13, 2012 at 05:02 AM
The Charter's an open hole for all our tax dollars to flow, flow, flow, flow, flow! We ain't got the time for Big Builders and Politician' Yes-slime, We vote No! No! No! We don't wanna hear their fake annexation scare tactics again! We just need to vote out these lawyer wanna-be politician'! We're not gonna spend our tax on salaries for BrokehavenYes! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! It's not just our pride. It's how much they lied! We vote NO! NO! NO! Their hands are getting closer reaching out so far Greed is gonna get them Make them suffer so-o-o-o! Must we let them fool us? NO! NO! NO! Leave us alone! We're happy with our homes. Vote NO! NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOO! NO!
Eric H June 13, 2012 at 08:43 PM
Seriously someone who lives in Ashford Park mistakenly typed they live in Ansley Park?
City Yes June 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM
What does greed have anything to do with city hood? You're full of crap, Professor.
don Gabacho June 14, 2012 at 03:30 AM
"Seriously someone who lives in Ashford Park mistakenly typed they live in Ansley Park?"---Eric Hovdesven "Seriously" someone who can read the "Ansley Park" can't read "It's the pain-killers?"
not one of 60 June 19, 2012 at 07:36 PM
http://neighbornewspapers.com/view/full_story/18943885/article-No-City-Brookhaven-may-rock-vote?instance=buckhead# oooh, la la! Boring! Know your NOs!
not one of 60 June 19, 2012 at 07:46 PM
Who owns Brookhaven?: Konas and ME Imlay - Too bad life ownership is...temporary! LOL!
Dr. Wilford Thomas July 09, 2012 at 09:17 PM
this could be brookhaven: Upcoming Paving Projects in the City. This summer, the City is working with three contractor on several paving projects. One of the contractors, Stewart Brothers, began reconstruction of Leisure Valley Drive in late June and is scheduled to finish Friday, July 13. Their next stops include: Tennille Court and Arnaud Court followed by the Vernon Oaks neighborhood. Johnson Landscapes began work on the Mount Vernon bicycle and pedestrian improvements between Ridgeview Road and Ashford Dunwoody Road. Work will continue on that project into September. C.W. Matthews will begin resurfacing Ashford Center Parkway on Tuesday, July 9. The tentative order of streets for paving this summer includes: 1. Ashford Center Parkway 2. Perimeter Center East 3. Lakesprings Court and Lakesprings Circle 4. West Fontainbleau Court 5. Winters Chapel Road 6. Sanlee Lane and Arrie Way 7. Charmant Place, Joel Lane, Joel Court and Joel Place These streets should be completed within 1 month, weather permitting. Additionally, there will stormwater improvements made to Winters Chapel this week and next week prior to the paving. Lane closures will occur between the reservoir and Peeler, weekdays between 9:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. Peeler Road and Tilly Mill Road should be used as alternates.
Bill in Brookhaven July 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM
The new City of Brookhaven will not be another layer of government, rather an alternative to Dekalb Co's management of 5 key services - parks, roads, police, zoning/planning, and code enforcement. Fire, water, schools, etc. will remain the same as provided by Dekalb Co. Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek are all successful new cities. The new City of Brookhaven wil have elected officials who are closer to the people who elected them and thus more accountable. Dekalb County has had many corrupt officials, ie. Vernon Jones. It's time to take back our community and control how our tax money is used. Vote yes for Brookhaven.
HamBurger July 10, 2012 at 08:07 PM
Mr. Bill, you have a rather simplistic understanding of government and little to no understanding of economics. Please pass the yellow mustard!
not one of 60 July 10, 2012 at 08:09 PM
not one of 60 July 10, 2012 at 08:12 PM
not one of 60 July 10, 2012 at 08:12 PM
Dekalb county commission: part time work, full time pay!
not one of 60 July 10, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Ellis: is about one thing: $$$$ for him and his pals. If you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention. His former law firm was somehow the same one picked to do all the real estate transactions for the GM Doraville deal (that thankfully failed), a coincidence or post CEO security? All of his pals consulting firms get put on contract with the county... the list goes on. He didn't bring Stogner on board at first, he wanted to bring his pal Keith Barker along with him to the CEOs office in order to continue the stupidity from when they were together in the BOC. Then Keith, a married man with kids, screwed around with a female employee promising her a promotion so she would keep quiet, he did not deliver & she outed him. Ellis then fired him, gave him $100k to keep quiet & Stogner came the man who single handedly kept DeKalb running and Vernon out of jail for 8 years, either of which is an amazing feat. Stogner is not such a great guy either. Remember that he, along with Vernon and a few others, was recently found guilty in a Federal lawsuit of creating a 'hostile work environment' and in the same case the County itself was found guilty of racial discrimination, and yet Ellis somehow publicly calls this court case a 'win' for the County and rehires Stogner to the county's top post? This case will cost the County many millions after all legal fees are paid, and yet Ellis (and Stogner) both are quoted on TV as saying it is a win.
HDM July 10, 2012 at 08:26 PM
This is it folks, this is the best the Tories can come up with. Vote YES for Brookhaven.


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