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It Will Cost More To Live In City Of Brookhaven

In the latest entry into The Forum, a neighbor says thanks to NoCityBrookhaven.


Many thanks go to all of our neighbors who donated time and money to NoCity Brookhaven.

They stood in front of the seniors on fixed incomes and young people just starting their families to protect all of us from the increased taxes and risks of a city. They did this not for personal gain but because they cared for their neighbors and community.

We also extend thanks to our kind and generous neighbors who defended against the false promises of BrookhavenYES - that our taxes would decrease and we would have more local control, more police and more services. Everyone in these difficult economic times would like these things to be true, but beware! These are false promises, as shown mathematically below.

Last week, DeKalb County did NOT raise its millage rate. This proves without a doubt that the city will cost a lot more than what we now pay. The following chart illustrates the effect this will have on residents living in the boundaries of the proposed city of Brookhaven:

                                                     County        City       Total Mills
DeKalb County (2012 budget)          10.12          N/A         10.12
Brookhaven (as set in charter)          8.43           3.35        11.78

By comparing the county tax rate to the rate set in the proposed city charter that we will vote on July 31, we now have irrefutable evidence that it will cost us MORE to live in a city of Brookhaven than DeKalb County.

Our neighbors stood in front to protect us from the politicians, developers and registered lobbyists on the board of BrookhavenYES and from a huge political machine that gains financially from new cities. These companies are experts at outsourcing services for cities like Sandy Springs and Peachtree Corners. As they privatize services, they send local tax dollars to Singapore, Great Britain and California, including 911 call centers in New Jersey.

You will pay more but you will not get more. Only they will get more.

Our neighbors have stood against scare tactics of annexation that are also false. The Brookhaven Reporter, July 19, quotes Dunwoody Mayor Mike Davis, “We are not interested in your neighborhoods.” And to the question, “Will Chamblee annex neighborhoods in the footprint of the proposed city of Brookhaven should the referendum fail,” Chamblee City Manager Dr. Niles Ford responded in a July 20 phone interview, “I have one answer. No.”

Why the rush? Dunwoody had three studies over 10 years.

If you have any doubt in your mind at all, you must vote NO.

There is no alternative.

Eugenie Viener

Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 03:55 PM
Dr. Joke (anonymous yesser, is the dr. real?) My investment in my neighborhood far surpasses the pittance to prevent it from falling into the tentacles of a 'vanity city'. Just incorporate 'Dun-Jilted' and pay what it costs up there!
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Folks, the polling truth is clear, and it isn't written on a 'rosetta stone'!
HDM July 24, 2012 at 04:09 PM
NOCity received double the amount BrookhavenYES did, and all of NOCity's money comes from DeKalb Democrat operatives who stand to (continue to) profit if the city fails.
Eric H July 24, 2012 at 04:12 PM
How do they define a financial interest. I don't begrudge a contribution though as long as its disclosed and one factors it in. In the case of TSPLOST it truly is a David and Goliath moment. All the county officials with their 15% are budgetarily (Sp?) paid off to support it and of course the 6 million vs. practically nothing makes this a one sided campaign. And then we have the basically good Rockefeller Foundation funding several good planning or environmental groups to get TSPLOST passed in part because that funding was done before the full effects of the law were known and in part because they are desperate for some new transit even if its not a good deal. Its a very one sided fight. For Brookhaven both sides are putting up the good fight. I'd say the Yes and the No Committees are at least. The Ashford Group (the other No group) and the Brookhaven Ballot Committee (the other Yes group) not so much, they probably are helping the other sides more. Anyway, yes be aware of the contributions. The nice thing about a City of Brookhaven is I'm sure we can elect someone from District 3 or 4 or will go through the Police Car leases with a fine tooth comb. Same with the other proposal for counsel and the planning and zoning permiting work. Since we are dealing with a focused list of services in a small area its easier to track and easier to hold accountable the people in charge of those limited services.
Carol Johnson July 24, 2012 at 04:26 PM
One man's stench is another man's compost, Eddie. Here is my question: Will diehard Dekalb Dems, like yourself, have enough 'ooomph' to derail incorporation? Who has the data? If that happens, DeKalb will become very expensive, because the CEO form of government and the rest of the Commish at that 'happy trough,' will win. Expect more of the same, more quickly. $1,000,000 Soap Box Derby track, Bond referendums, regardless of cost or use, Tax increases, I think that the outcome of TSPLOST, Brookhaven, and our November Presidential debate will make the writing on the wall both indelible and irrefutable. We will soon know!
Joe July 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM
Aren't you boys getting a little tired? Staying up all night and all day to post the same drivel over and over and over? The 10 of you yelling at each other and calling each other names is really getting to be a bit much, don't you think? Do any of you think your behavior here is convincing anyone of anything besides the fact that none of you "get" it? I started out in favor of this city, but over the past several months reading this stuff over and over and over, the behavior of both sides is childish and amateurish at best. But, in my view, the Yes guys are by far more illogical, naive, and offensive than the No guys, so that's where I am. That's not to say both sides don't have their share of buffoons, as evidenced by today's "I almost convinced 2 people" and the reply "I convince 30. A DAY!" The turning point for me was long ago, when the Yes guys pushed back HARD on the issue of another layer of government, and they could not even concede that one point, albeit relatively minor, to the No guys. They could, and should have said "Yep, it's another layer, but it's our layer and it won't cost much more than what we have now, and we will control it with our votes and we hope it will be a worthwhile layer". But they couldn't bring themselves to do it, and that's all I needed. Since then, I've watched in amazement at this stupid reptitive "discussion" and soap opera unfold, refold, and unfold time and again, with all the predictable characters making their appearances.
Eric H July 24, 2012 at 04:39 PM
DeKalb raised the taxes on all the DeKalb Residents living in these cities: Atlanta‡ (approx 10% of 420,000 COA are in DeKalb) Avondale Estates Chamblee Clarkston Decatur Doraville Dunwoody Lithonia Pine Lake Stone Mountain Annexations in process http://www.crossroadsnews.com/view/full_story/18223209/article-Brookhaven-city-and-annexations-to-cost-county-lots-of-dough - Doraville will annex 1,500 to 2,000 people and half a square mile effective Jan. 1, 2013 without a referendum. The annexed area has 53 commercial parcels and 15 industrial parcels. About half of the land has apartments and 20 percent has single-family homes. The new residents will dramatically increase the Doraville’s 2010 population of 8,330. - The City of Decatur and Avondale annexations will be effective July 1. The city of Decatur will 10 commercial parcels on a quarter mile stretch of College Avenue near the Avondale MARTA Station. Avondale Estates gets three-tenths of a mile along East College Avenue from Maple Street to Sams Crossing. will add 13 acres and 23 commercial parcels to Avondale Estates. Annexations announced but not yet in process: Perimeter Summit and CID area inside 285 if B'haven doesn't happen. Decatur Suburban Plaza and other areas http://www.decaturmetro.com/2012/07/10/decatur-city-commission-to-reconsider-annexation-of-surrounding-areas/
Eric H July 24, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Oh and the Chamblee Annexation http://www.crossroadsnews.com/view/full_story/18223209/article-Brookhaven-city-and-annexations-to-cost-county-lots-of-dough “They would be in an isolated strip of DeKalb if Brookhaven is formed,” Parent said. You mean just like most of the proposed city of Brookhaven? https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214649083494226706333.00049fb9aff1865a252a6
Booyah July 24, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Ms Eugenie is a well to do young women who inherited a shopping center from her grandmother. It is a throwback to the sixties, and her righteous cause is self serving to protect DeKalb connections. Let's discuss the issues in these last few days before the election.
Carol Johnson July 24, 2012 at 04:57 PM
Oh, let's! Sojourn down to Bat's 'n Balls, ask around. Old Five Points, is named after the infamous Tammany Hall Machine, in New York City. That bastion of old line Democratic hardball, no quarter given, raw political power is described here: http://www.albany.edu/~dkw42/tweed.html Boss Mesh fits well in the DeKalb Dem Machine. Time for 'hope and change' that is both real and overdue, Vote YES on TUESDAY July 31.
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 05:05 PM
Joe, OK, Guilty of hyperbole on occasion. But, I can admit it!
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Carol, So at least you are admitting this Opposed City is just a stepping stone for those with the glint of 'milton county' in their eyes? Why do yessers hate their neighbors so much?
Carol Johnson July 24, 2012 at 05:09 PM
That layer of government argument is semantics. You may be semantically correct, in reality, city government replaces a few county functions. In any debate, an advocate cannot just 'concede a point,' without opening Pandora's Box to other concessions. I get what you are saying, you may even be right semantically. Notice I did not say 'but'? If that is your sole reason for voting no, look more deeply.
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 05:09 PM
Dean, All of NoCity's money came from Citizens. Despite the second place finisher in the fall Presidential Election's contention to the contrary, you do realize that 'corporations are not citizens' don't you?
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 05:11 PM
Carol, and 'resident' (yet another anonymous yesser), When your exhausted 'argument' falls flat, no reason to shrink away from vapid personal attack is there?
HamBurger July 24, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Mr. Joe, as one of the ten, I feel compelled to post this song in dedication to my fellow posters. Thanks to IWillBrook . . . http://tinyurl.com/d3eegpc More thin sliced onions?
Carol Johnson July 24, 2012 at 05:46 PM
But is it untrue?
Mark Graffagnino July 24, 2012 at 05:50 PM
WHOA, Eric! Please do not confuse my business, The Ashford Group, with Ashford Neighbors, the anti-city group. And thanks for posting your opinions on this board. Anyone who reads your logical posts, backed up by data, in comparison to the rants of the NoCity crowd, will have a clear idea of the opposing sides in this referendum. Thanks for hanging in there....you're a better man than I.
Eddie E. July 24, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Carol, True or not, is it relevant to anything? Outside of a few Dun-Jilted whiners, who cares?
Eric H July 24, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Thanks and sorry about that Mark, I forgot Ashford Group was the name of your business. I keep drawing a blank at the notion of the word neighbor when it comes to describing the Ashford Neighbors inc. since it seems like an oxymoron. I think its telling when present and former officers of the area HOA's understand why a City of Brookhaven is a good idea. At the very least there should be less a savings from aspirin from the reduction in banging one's head against the wall!
HamBurger July 24, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Mr. Eric, shame on you for mistaking Mr. Mark’s business for another. However, you can associate Mr. Mark (Graffagnino) with Brookhaven Ballot Committee, one of the Brookhaven Yes organizations that sponsored the insulting YES mailing that hit the mailboxes last Friday. Mr. Mark is the treasurer of the Brookhaven Ballot Committee. Please pass the yellow mustard!
Carol Johnson July 24, 2012 at 06:07 PM
I live near OU, I care about undue influence that anyone has over me.
Eric H July 24, 2012 at 06:14 PM
I wouldn't call it insulting, true as a Democrat I didn't like it. Though there's no denying that the CEO is influenced by his desire to protect his power. I mean I gotta say, former CEO Jones was a lot friendlier to Dunwoody's incorporation, and you want to talk about taking a chunk out of DeKalb's tax base. Anyway, at least unlike the No City Brookhaven flyer, the Ballot Committee flyer was not full of statements that need a great deal of "clarification"
HamBurger July 24, 2012 at 06:28 PM
Mr. Eric, the mailer was insulting. I am not the only one that thinks so. Many conservative associates living in the proposed city that have received this same mailer have said the same thing. Thanks Mr. Mark. Cheerwine and a special hamburger?
Jack of Kings July 24, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Sorry, Joe, that you have decided one way because they did not answer a question the way you would prefer. I believe that both sides are not without blame and mistakes on strategy etc.. Initially I, too, was worried that a City could not offer me more than what I received through the current structure. But the more I researched and thought about local representation, the more attractive the prospect of a new city became. My hot button is that many municipal and county governments are going to have to explore--and adopt--more outsourcing of some basic services such as park maintenance just to avoid the pension obligations in the future. It is, imo, unavoidable. I would vote against the city if I had any confidence that Dekalb County would get their staffing levels in line. And I saw a possibility of Brookhaven getting a bit more back in our tax revenues than we currently get. But I really have ZERO confidence in Dekalb improving on accountability and increasing productivity. So, I am open to a new city with just 15% of my taxes going to that local entity. BTW, my point on the "convincing two people" was that there are voters who have yet to have decided. There are many votes that are still in play. Take care.
not one of 60 July 25, 2012 at 12:51 AM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eugenie-viener/3a/b9b/a63 Golden triangle holdings, such a farce, and a liar.
not one of 60 July 25, 2012 at 12:51 AM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eugenie-viener/3a/b9b/a63
not one of 60 July 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eugenie-viener/3a/b9b/a63
not one of 60 July 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eugenie-viener/3a/b9b/a63
Carol Johnson July 25, 2012 at 07:38 AM
“DeKalb County got slack and lazy. Its politicians became presumptuous. It had too many political and financial scandals. It took no opportunity to define a strategy that could improve the lives of all its people. … As long as DeKalb County continues to be second-rate in its capacity to show all its citizens the way to prosperity, and is not a place of high performance leadership and initiatives, more enclaves are going to peel off to do their own thing.”

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