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Incorporating Brookhaven Isn't Mutiny Or Secession

The latest entry into The Forum says YES is best for Brookhaven and DeKalb County.


Recently that if Brookhaven incorporates within DeKalb, citizens of the new city will forgo their opportunity and obligation to support DeKalb County as a whole.

His opinion is curious to me considering he is employed by a private university that competes with public universities in the area. Even more interesting is that his employer recruits students nationally and even internationally - yet the university advertises on television as 'Oglethorpe University in Brookhaven.'

Incorporating Brookhaven is not mutiny or secession. It is very simply a measured movement to have more local control over city services with increased efficiency.

The new city will provide police; parks; roads; zoning; and code enforcement. The county will no longer bear the expenses for those services within the city area. Less than 15% of residents' local taxes will shift from county to the city to fund those five services. The rest of our taxes will continue to support DeKalb for county services including public schools; the fire department; water and sewer; sanitation; etc.

However - and this is vital - Brookhaven will not be a 'private city' in the sense Oglethorpe is a private university.

In contrast to private Oglethorpe University, Brookhaven will be open to the public. The city and the services provided will be for the good of everyone, whether they are a city resident full-time; a work-day resident; a temporary resident attending a private university; a visitor; or someone who is just passing through our 12 square miles.

Oglethorpe is gated and fenced; Brookhaven will be wide open, delivering services to everyone, without questioning their allegiance to city, county, private organization or neighborhood homeowners association or street captain.

When the city of Brookhaven is incorporated, we will still live in DeKalb County and most of our taxes will support DeKalb County for the benefit of all DeKalb County, including the faculty, staff and students inside the fences that limit access to Oglethorpe University campus.

But cityhood will improve local government through efficiency and truly local representation by our own neighbors whom we elect ourselves. And that will benefit everyone, public and private alike.

DeKalb already has 10 cities operating within its borders: Avondale Estates; Chamblee; Clarkston; Decatur; Doraville; Dunwoody; Lithonia; Pine Lake; Stone Mountain; and even a portion of Atlanta!

From DeKalb CEO Burrell Ellis' own website: "Home buyers may choose from upscale Dunwoody, the small-town, artistic charm of Decatur, the Victorian homes in Stone Mountain, and growing southeastern DeKalb, where land is open and prices more modest."

Brookhaven has all those qualities right here in our 12 square miles. Brookhaven will fit very nicely in the alphabetical listing between Avondale and Chamblee. YES is best for Brookhaven AND DeKalb.

Clayton Conarro

Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 05:47 AM
Eddie... Unfortunately your psychic has been "outted" as a finger painting artist convicted of posing as a psychic delivering colorful but completely inaccurate readings. I encourage you to not tear up your voting card.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 05:59 AM
I don't think we need to lower the expenses of the county CEO's office. Eliminating it would be a better option! After all, why does a runaway circus need a circus master?
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:04 AM
I agree with Hamburgular! Why does one need to get into a gender contest with an hermaphrodite? Just sayin'...
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:19 AM
Eddie... You're one of the only folks who claim that the residents of a new Brookhaven will pay higher city taxes without providing concrete and specific examples through real numbers. We can see through your diatribe on the matter. I do agree that we'll pay franchise fees for landlines (which we can voluntarily minimize or eliminate) and to Georgia Power. However, the franchise fees do not fully impact the savings we'll receive on the portion of city property taxes.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:37 AM
Hamburgular... For the umpteenth time the CVI does NOT need to be revised! Why? Because DeKalb county performed a biased update that found the city would have a deficit... Something the NO folks glorified for 24 hours until the release of information revising the HOST numbers, which translated into a potential surplus of approximately $1mm inclusive of settling the biased deficit for a new Brookhaven. If you'd still like a revised CVI study then drive to Athens and make 'em do it! I'd even offer to pay for your gas but realize you have more than enough to get you there and back.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:43 AM
Who in the hell is Bill Lowe? Oh yeah, a naysayer with a continuous mouthful of FUDge! Quite unentertaining to say the least!
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:48 AM
"Mr. Phil, Brookhaven Yes made no mistake." Thank you Hamburgular for finally telling the truth. And please pass around your FUDge to the hardworking finger counters at NO City who are working so diligently to hide the names and $$$ amounts to its campaign effort.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:52 AM
Seems like this would qualify as an in-kind donation that would have had to be disclosed as such.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:55 AM
Notice how Hamburgular avoids and refuses to answer a legitimate question when he is cornered! He's good at FUDge but completely devoid of the truth.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 06:59 AM
Timothy Darnell... What better example of someone acting inappropriately do you need in order to remove a comment?! The links can stay... The rest needs to be returned to the originator.
Dr. Jeff July 18, 2012 at 07:11 AM
Hamburgular et al. I could care less what the deadline is or if one exists according to your reading... What I do care about is the revealing of the NO City contributors ASAP. You guys are putting forth so much in the way of smoke and mirrors that your appointed vultures won't be able to catch and devour its prey! So please.... Keep it up!
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Roger That, Without Mr. jacobs need to find an election issue, the shame of the Dun-Jilted would have quietly faded, like disappointment usually does with adults. Instead, in an action suitable of DonQuixote, the bounds of 'feasibility' have been warped to develop the plan for an Opposed City. I guess with your interpretation, by extension, nobody is really at fault for this nonsense.
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Monty, Enlighten me, what is your interpretation of a 'good strategy'?
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Dr. Jeff, You make statements like this and then have the audacity to complain about the inappropriateness of others. Were you raised to believe you would always be more special than anyone else?
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Dr. Jeff, So by your interpretation, the Voters do not deserve an ACCURATE presentation of the financial reality before diving into the abyss of this childish stunt? I know 'we have been told' by the carefully contrived conditions presented to the Carl Vinson Institute what to expect and they don't want to be bothered with the facts'. Right?
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Dr. Jeff, Simple. Take the CVI study, adjust it for a REAL tax digest, correct for the REAL tax rate and see what happens. You guys claimed there would be a 'tax cut' in the beginning and that is always a selling point to a wedge in the electorate. But that selling point was false, yet I don't see any of your salesmen rushing to restore reality. I guess it is just a game to you guys.
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 12:02 PM
Dr. Jeff, By the way, I find it more than hilarious that I am being 'instructed' to get rid of my land line because the yessers think that is an appropriate response to avoid paying the franchise fee. Do you have a list for the rest of us identifying the 'appropriate behaviors' we should all enact to suit your fantasy? On another note, if 50,000 people followed your suggestion and the projected revenue (from franchise fees) dropped by the resulting $2,000,000.00 per year, what mechanism would be used to make up the difference?
Eddie E. July 18, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Mr. Darnell, The comment made by the individual hiding behind the moniker 'Dr. Jeff' has made an unsubstantiated and wholly inaccurate comment suggesting illegal behavior in a manner that is clearly libelous. It might behoove you to suggest a retraction and ban this individual from further comments lest litigation result.
Eric H July 18, 2012 at 05:01 PM
Sorry Mr. Hamburger I had missed your comment about not having certain glands. I didn't mean to question your gender as I agree that doesn't really matter.
Eric H July 18, 2012 at 05:34 PM
Eddie, Stan is saying for $1,000 they could wait until after the election to file their report. Yes if they are 4 days or less late there is not late fee.
Eric H July 18, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Mr. HamBurger I'm willing to state what I think is the date when the 15 day report is due. Local Ballot committee's reports were due July 16, 2012 for the July 31, 2012. A grace period doesn't change the due date it changes when penalties start to apply. "A grace period is a time past the deadline for an obligation during which a late penalty that would have been imposed is waived." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_period I disagree with the apparent insinuation that a grace period means the due date is July 23. A grace period by its plain meaning is a period after the due date. Thus the clear language below. http://ethics.ga.gov/about-ballot-committees-including-statewirde-referendums/ Filing Schedule for LOCAL Ballot Committee Local Ballot Committee must file reports electronically, once $500 threshold is reached. Local Ballot Committee must file report 15 days before date of election Local Ballot Committee must file final report before December 31 of the election year. And I certainly hope the committee doesn't take the full grace period and file after early voting has begun at Chamblee City Hall.
HDM July 18, 2012 at 05:51 PM
We knew it all along but now Hamburger comes out and says it, he's all about "politics 101", with his personal attacks and FUD slinging. Shameful.
Eric H July 18, 2012 at 06:00 PM
A Grace Period doesn't change the due date, its a period after the due date for which penalties or fees won't be charged. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_period A grace period is a time past the deadline for an obligation during which a late penalty that would have been imposed is waived. After the 16th its late in my opinion.
Dr. Jeff July 19, 2012 at 06:11 AM
Eddie... You're hilarious! You can't libel, defame, etc anyone who is anonymous. You only list your moniker as Eddie C.... Get real... Another attempt by you to throw around FUDge On another note Eddie.... Show us the hard,factual data that our taxes will go up as you claim if cityhood passes.
Dr. Jeff July 19, 2012 at 06:16 AM
Oh Eddie.... Calm down.... Jodi Cobb was the individual who suggested in the Ashford study about landlines and cell phone usage. Last time I checked she was a part of NO city... And you are also, right? Or are you just a NO?
Dr. Jeff July 19, 2012 at 06:27 AM
Furthermore, please cite where I said specifically to give up your landline... Give me the quote where I instructed you to do something specific? You can't, because I didn't. I indicated that franchise fees would be charged for landlines and GA Power usage. I also stated in parens that we could VOLUNTARILY minimize or eliminate landline fees.... This is something Jodi mentions in her Ashford Study responses. Eddie - you're a FUDge smearing behind the scenes instigator.
Dr. Jeff July 19, 2012 at 06:38 AM
Eddie... Guess you're fielding questions for Hambugular now... So Eddie... Do you think DeKalb County was honest & accurate by revising only 25% of the CVI to, drum roll please, a deficit for a new city of Brookhaven? And then, the very next day a news report hits the NO city party indicating the HOST numbers have been revised translating into a surplus, inclusive of the bogus county deficit, for a new city of Brookhaven.
Dr. Jeff July 19, 2012 at 06:42 AM
Oh goodness.... Eddie can always dish it out, insult people and then go crying to the NO city folks... But, we musn't say things he doesn't like.... Get real!!
patrick July 19, 2012 at 08:07 PM
The stage Will not be set,voters will have LOCAL control over who is elected not have those elected imposted on us.
patrick July 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM
So that we can have taxation without a voice?

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