Police, Taxes & Buford Highway: BrookhavenYES Talks Cityhood

Replay Monday night's live chat with BrookhavenYES, as representatives talked about these issues and much more.

Patch was live at with J. Max Davis, president of BrookhavenYES, and Jeff Kellar, vice president of the organization for a virtual, real time discussion on the issues of cityhood.

Replay our coverage of the event by clicking on the REPLAY button in the section above.

not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 08:20 PM
If you think tspolst is going to pass: dream on! NAACP most AA and most Tea party people are against it! http://www.fultoncountyga.gov/district-5-news (check out the June 22 link)
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 08:21 PM
LOL! Lowe is an intersting fellow. To say the least! He did support and does live in Sandy Springs! :)
Eddie E. June 27, 2012 at 09:18 PM
Dean, It seems those shivering in their shoes to the point they would waste money on 'private security' are limited to a couple of very small areas. Is there something in the water there?
Eddie E. June 27, 2012 at 09:21 PM
Eric, I merely mentioned the 'crier' to respond to your suggestion there is no 'platform for spouting or promoting republican ideologies', for without the official party line, it would have nothing to say. Nor would I shy away from identifying any of the various 'publications' that have kept the Opposed City nonsense stirred up in order to pretend there was reason to increase ad rates.
Eddie E. June 27, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Whether or not he supported the incorporation of Sandy Springs (which, to belabor the point, was studied carefully for over 30 years), he certainly has the good sense to see what folly the notion of 'milton county' is. Not entirely different from the folly of 'brookhaven, the Opposed City'. No means NO!
HamBurger June 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Mr. Dean, one facet of pro-active, successful policing is the community watch program. Across DeKalb County (and the nation) the safest neighborhoods or neighborhood collectives have a community watch program. Even in Dunwoody. Here is a link to the Brittany HOA: http://brittanyhoa.com/Neighborhood%20Watch.htm Going to the Farmer’s Market for some Guatemalan Sweets!
HamBurger June 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Uh . . . Yeah . . . I know, that Brittany is in Utah . . . Maybe there is a point to be learned here . . . Anyone have a link to the neighborhood by Oglethorpe University known as Brittany and their neighborhood Community Watch? Well, if you don’t, maybe they had just rather pay for a security guard . . . Please pass the yellow mustard!
Enuff Govt Already June 27, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Kellar - Smyrna's poverty rate is higher, it population is higher, and its geographic area is larger than Brookhaven's. So it’s safe to say the CVI estimate was conservative. -Smyrna looks cherry picked; irregular borders and unincorporated islands. Smyrna is home to 51,271 residents only 2083 more than proposed Brookhaven. Smyrna is 3.33 sq mi larger and the poverty rate difference is 1.5%. Smyrna Police have 92 sworn officers, 20 full and part-time jail employees, 19 full and part-time communications officers and 10 administrative staff. The Department serves the community through eight divisions.
HamBurger June 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Mr. Eric, just noting that Mr. J. Max never responded to your questioning whether the officer arrewsting the carjacking suspect was a DCPD or off duty DCPD providing Brittany security . . . Because they had rather pay for security than have a Community watch program? Just curious and waiting for n answer. Please pass the yellow mustard!
HamBurger June 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Mr. Max, is this you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPGPxKEQdTs Hey! Leave some thin sliced onions and pickles for me!
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:27 PM
I have property in buckhead and don't support Milton, but like Lowe I do support local control. Sandy Springs and the Buckhead CID. Truth is Fulton County is a top rate county and has a top rate school system. Brookhaven is tha same as Sandy Springs, why to you think Imlay likes to berate their 80 Jewish mayor. Like LOWE I support SANDY SPRINGS AND BROOKHAVEN. Oranges and oranges....
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Deborah lock your doors. Best wishes!
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:31 PM
Breakup of DeADkab would happen! People happy and satisfied with Deadkalb is truly funny. Corruption corruption and more corruption. Improvements, NON EXISTENCE! GUESS 3rd world low class is what you like!
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Probably bc it's 95 percent incorporated! And does not have several non contiguous service areas! Deadkalb configuration does not make sense for efficient service!
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Eddie E South Dekalb Pimp! Funny how he loves himself some Lithonia Must watch TRU BLOOD! GO Eddie, go EDDIE.
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM
Insults are necessary when your up against liars, corruption, strip clubs, bars, thieves, sign makers, tax cheats, greedy developers, lawyers, and "well funded opposition groups"! Eat more broccoli This goes out to all the NO peeps too...especially hamburger and Benton. I wish you long lives in the new City!
not one of 60 June 27, 2012 at 11:46 PM
And it will also affect City Service areas for unincorporated areas, lol idoit!
Eric H June 28, 2012 at 02:32 AM
my neighborhood has watch program its a real bear to manage and its mainly a system to share information after the fact. I don't think it would have stopped a car jacking. Frankly I'm impressed the Police saw these guys before they left the area. Obviously DeKalb PD put the call out over the radio so that's quick response even if the one officer was working his off duty job and listening to the scanner/radio. neighborhood watch in my area helped solve a series of crimes because someone saw a car and gave some identifiable info on it. BTW Dunwoody has solved the murder in the apartments on Peachtree Industrial. The murderer had been targeting folks and used a phone from a previous victim (who was not murdered) to call this unfortunate victim. I will never understand why people have so little regard for human life. Its very sad. The victim had friends and family.
HamBurger June 28, 2012 at 03:24 AM
Mr. Eric, a neighborhood watch program is only as good as the people (and eyes) involved. Riding around on a golf cart and barking orders is one thing, providing good neighborhood intelligence is completely another. However, it still remains only one component of a policing strategy. The information shared zeros in on the bad guys and assists DCPD in removing them from the streets. That is the ultimate goal. Right? The abilities of the DCPD North Precinct are legendary to the folks that have dealt with them through the years. Folks that think a new city can replace this level of policing service in your new city will soon regret what they have voted out. Mr. J. Max whines about his paying for an extra security service, yet he has no Community Watch program. Mr. J. Max, your hatred for DeKalb is evidently much greater that your planning for an accountable and successful new city. Daily, I am finding out that the folks in Brookhaven want no part of your new city. This is an exceptionally disconcerting subject. Grill closed. You folks need to think about this one . . . I need a good John Wayne movie . . . Now, where did I put that True Grit . . .
Eric H June 28, 2012 at 03:45 AM
Mr. Hamburger there is no doubt that to the limited amount of officers in the N Precinct do a yeoman's job. But in the end we don't really need to worry. Dunwoody certainly was disappointed. And if it turns out we need a couple more patrols for Buford Highway that's quite doable. We aren't reinventing the wheel here.
Roger That June 28, 2012 at 04:29 AM
Dear Debbie, That not how government works. Love, Roger That.
Max June 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Exactly! Fulton is virtually all incorporated! And yes, HamBurger, that was me. I told y'all I shared your position with Dunwoody, but now see that trying to work on making DeKalb, One DeKalb, is not ever going to work. So far, Dunwoody has not raised the millage rate, though we have improved services such as Police and working on a zoning re-write. Will that work in Brookhaven? It depends on the level of service people vote for. That is the point, right now, your DeKalb taxes go up, regardless of your vote, because 'no-low tax' votes are fewer than those who could care less about property taxes. I support Brookhaven, and I am glad that I am able to say that the Dunwoody decision was vetted more carefully as a result of intelligent opposition. Max
Eddie E. June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Max, 'It depends on the level of services people vote for'? As if there had been any sort of careful evaluation of the attitudes and interests of the Citizens living in the Opposed City footprint? A secret group of funders bought a study carefully crafted by ONE of the TWO State Representatives elected to the Opposed City footprint. The interests in the study were carefully skewed to pretend that a city could be cobbled up and somehow stay within an artificially low tax millage threshold. Even now, the yessssers website points to providing services that cannot be fully funded within the financial constraints (so I guess at least one of the services will have to be dropped or eviscerated in order to take care of the minimum 3). There is no CHOICE in LEVEL OF SERVICE. The yessers know what is best for 'us'. Now we are supposed to bow to their hubris and then sit quietly should it 'win' and then self-destruct. Madness!
Eddie E. June 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM
not, My reference was to the 'senator from Dunwoody'. I wish the rest of the District had a Senator.
Max June 28, 2012 at 01:24 PM
@EDdieE I 'get' your POV, but the hyperboly is off-putting to me. First off, I personally know the lawmakers involved with this effort, as I opposed them up here. Every lawmaker is hugely self-confident or they would not make it in politics, but your reps are pretty well grounded, in my opinion. When DeKalb was largely agricultural (look at the County seal) administration was efficient, the envy of Atlanta. A large urban county structure is less efficient in delivering local services. The CVI study is a snaphot that showed lawmakers the legislation is feasible, as required by law. Brookhaven revenue figures have been under/over reported, but the fact remains with a City, local citizens CONTROL EXPENSES. There are choices in service levels, or the whole concept would be moot, I respectfully disagree.
not one of 60 June 28, 2012 at 01:35 PM
not one of 60 June 28, 2012 at 01:43 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47992439/ns/us_news-life/ This is the future of Brookhaven: Growth...an extension of Atlanta...
Max June 28, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Urban areas currently favor Democrats. Dunwoody is non-partisan, but the population is largely moderate-to-very conservative. The 'sustainability' folks love Dunwoody, they lobbied strong, early, and fast to get us green and our Trans Plan includes 'Complete Streets,' bike facilities, paths, etc. Not a bad thing, but not free. There is an example of people choosing a service level, EddieE.
Max June 28, 2012 at 01:48 PM
Some folks believe that Brookhaven represents 'emancipation' from Dekalb rule. I get that. "All politics are local." - Tip O'Neill
HamBurger June 28, 2012 at 01:58 PM
Clayton, Delta is ready when you are . . . Let us know if you are short of funds . . . Special hamburger for the flight?


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