Davis Invites AshfordNeighbors.Org To Debate

BrookhavenYES' chairman sent the invitation this past Sunday.

J. Max Davis, chairman of BrookhavenYES, invited an organization opposed to cityhood to a debate.

In an e-mail to AshfordNeighbors.org, Davis sent the following correspondence (reprinted here with permission):

"Mrs. Mesh,

In the interest of civic responsibility, I would like to propose that you, as the leader of Ashford Neighbors and I, as the leader of Brookhaven Yes come together for a public debate (or debates) concerning the possible incorporation of the city of Brookhaven.

"I am willing to meet you at any one of the establishments at Mesh Corners (or any other place you would feel comfortable) to discuss how we can make this time honored exercise in Democracy come to fruition.

I know you as a polite and reasonable person and I am certain that we can work out the time(s), place(s), and format for this important public exchange of ideas.

Debating this issue in a citizens forum will only benefit the community for which you and I both care so deeply.

I look forward to your response.


J. Max Davis
Brookhaven Yes"

mcatl May 17, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Commercial property owners only care about money.
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 02:58 PM
Please understand how the tax dollars flow south. Please undersatnd the bloated Dekalb Jobs Program - do you work for Dekalb? You must. They are so over inflated it is ridiculous. I really dare any anti city opponent to seek and Open Records request of every postion and salary of persons who serve unincororptaed Dekalb. This is public information. CAN YOU SAY BELL CALIFORNIA! Not to mention: Police Corruption School Corruption Increased Taxes less Services North Dekalb Properties not being Assessed Properly
Osborne Cox May 17, 2012 at 03:11 PM
Perhaps those who believe that their money is all going to S. Dekalb should ask the Commissioner for that area. I did. Twice. "The people in the North say their money is going South and the people in the South say their money is going North." Folks, we are all in the County together. We are now and we will be later - city or not. We already have enough gov't without introducing more politicians and more bureaucrats into the mix. It's tough to read and think about the undertones of some of the posts here that attack people simply because of the area they live in. The scary part is that some of the people making these comments are leaders of the Pro-City crowd. Are the city supporters really brainwashed so much to believe that somehow they are better than the people in S. Dekalb? And if the city passes, that they are better than those in S. Brookhaven? No matter how large or small an area is, you will always have the folks that have more and the folks that have less. And to think that the leaders of an organization would advocate and participate in this poor behavior is very disturbing. And why would people support that initiative? What is wrong with the people in S. Dekalb? What have they done to you? Have any of you even been there? Vote NO New City July 31 and tell these power hungry wanna be's their behavior is unacceptable and show the people that we are NOT the elitist snobs the Yes crowd is making us out to be. MAN! nocitybrookhaven.com nocitybrookhaven.blogspot.com
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 03:12 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/05/17/house-gop-leader-%E2%80%98my-goal-is-to-end-fulton-county%E2%80%99/ If only this were Dekalb! How awesome would that be!
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Mr. Cox: Its about a CID. Community Improvement District. Give us one for the whole area like the shaffer ammendment then I will drop my support of the new city hood Local cities decide, with their elected officials, how to use the tax money. Now the majority of the leaders are in south Dekalb. do I think south Dekalb is utopia: NO. I would never go there, live there or wnat to be there. thats why i live near Buckhead! Close to all the things I like. Why do you think the Fulton cities fought for so long? Becase there roads and streets were pot-hole-ladden - it's mismanagment of funds. Please Mr. Cox, et all: Give me a list of every Dekalb police officer, fire fighter, planning official, code enforcement official, parks worker, public works official and any other worker or official and their rank, pay and benefits ...there are so many and it is so bloated. Please a LIST ANYONE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ That is a waste of money that could be used for improvments: roads, sidelwkas, street trees, parks, SO ON and ON! Deklab will only manage Courts, Marta, and Grady! All that alone is very scary too! Corruption laden too!
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 03:20 PM
North Fulton leaders want to End Fulton as they know it! Now that is smart...
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Also, for the record: I have nothing against fair, effective, efficient, responsive, and ethical Public Service persons of all types: FYI. And have utmost respcet for people who put thmesleves in ahrms way serving their communiites. It's not the workers its the Leaders, and Management and major Bloating that are problems.... BELL CALIFORNIA! no more. City YES!
HDM May 17, 2012 at 04:24 PM
Mrs. Mesh should welcome a public debate to put to rest rumors that she is against cityhood because she is a donor to Democrats with ties to County Government, who she has garnered political support from.
Deborah Anthony May 17, 2012 at 04:32 PM
I get it now! "mcatl" and those using similar "debating" skills are actually AGAINST a new city! Your clever tactic is working. You are convincing me more than ever that we are not ready for a new city.
Mitchell Thomas May 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Whatever. i have nothing to do with any YEs group other than wanting my tax dollars to saty local and in my area for local improvments. LMAO. Show me the dekalb salary money, honey! I am all about Green staying home! Thanks Deborah if that is really your name!
Mitchell Thomas May 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM
TRUE! So true. Lets see the campaign disclosers of all Dekalb commissioners!
Mitchell Thomas May 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM
Deklalb ethics: look that up too! Non exisitent!
Mitchell Thomas May 17, 2012 at 04:54 PM
Storm water utility fees are going in everywhere! I am sure Dekalb water and sewer fees will rise with or without a City. Look at Atlanta water rates! And they provide water to South Fulton and City of Sandy Springs too! The problem is: everybody wants something for free. It costs money to clean water for drinking, and drain it to creeks during storms! The City hood movement for me is about a CID. Keeping Community Improvement monies/dollars local. If Dekalb would let a significant portion of the tax dollars stay local for local improvements it would be great....like a CID. But they don't. They use the money to fund pension shortages. Raises. More managers than that are needed. Please anti city folks: provide a list of every job title, with salary and benefits for Unincorporated Dekalb! Just the numbers please; then we can see how much of your tax bill is being used for what. Also how much money is being used for local communiyt improvments: again the numbers! when was the last time your road was paved? Road, park, and sidewalk improvements in the Brookhaven area. Just a basic question? About ethics. I really would not throw Deklab in there as an example of an ethcial government. Just ask the former DA J Tom Morgan about that. Police Corrupution School Corrupution White Parks Director firing Discrimination suit...and SO ON! OK!
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 04:56 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/child-shot-near-dekalb-1439384.html?cxtype=rss_news_61499 Apartment Cities = Working real well for Society!
Bill Lowe May 17, 2012 at 04:58 PM
The pro city folks are really going downhill. Do you really feel the need to coat the hill with ice to speed up your decline? Does it really matter what party she donates to? If she has ties to DeKalb County government? I am positive if the Pro-City folks were to offer up the information, the majority of their supporters and contributors would be of a certain political party. That is how modern government works. Most people do not know what they are voting for or the underlying reasons why, they only vote for the party which they belong to. Blindly. It is sad, but true. Hopefully the small group behind this effort will go ahead and start planning the new city---like Dunwoody did before the vote takes place. Form committees, put out the agendas for the new city. Set priorities. You know, let the people know what they are really going to be getting when they go to vote. Right now as it stands, you are voting on an idea without any solid plans. Successful implementation depends on a good plan and good people to put it together. If people just want the right to vote, you are more than likely going to get that. But vote for something complete---a city plan with accurate numbers and a real budget. Now is the time to put it down on paper and distribute it so the voting public will know what they are getting with their Yes vote.
HDM May 17, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Bill Lowe, it matters because plenty of smears regarding political intentions of Pro-City people have been posted here with no proof. If you are going to bring these people's motivation into question, you bring questions upon those campaigning against Brookhaven too.
m May 17, 2012 at 05:16 PM
Shannon May 17, 2012 at 05:49 PM
I am on the board of Brookhaven Yes and we are a politically diverse group. It would be appreciated if you would stop saying otherwise.
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Diversity is good. Gay, straight, old, young, all walks of life. The goal is to get servces local and efficient. It is about response and action. That's why the anti sites are so mean spirited. They think it is some white male power grab. North Fulton had to endure years of racism calls. It's really about years and years of inaction and lack of responsibility & ability to get the job done. Look how nice downtown decutur is. That is diverse and it is a great example of what a City can become!
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Ridiculous. Over building an area with low income apartments is against almost any good housing policy! Mixed use. Mixed income. Mixed race. That's good policy! The status quo wants to keep the downtrodden down; and their little tidy homes to themselves. That is backwards. I want to see all areas improve. South Brookhaven and North Brookhaven. But I do have never see any efforts from Deklab on this front. Not now. Not in the past. So we need to energize ourselves! All "they" do is roadblocks to implement setbelt laws, id checks, and sobriety checks to make money. How is that improving anything?
mcatl May 17, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Please! I am for diverse, educated, mixed use, mixed income communities. That are ethcial, efficient and fiscally sound! Go walk along Buford Highway and try to cross it...Dekalb is a disgrace.
Bill Charter May 17, 2012 at 07:00 PM
LINE 45 (b) The powers of this city shall be construed liberally in favor of the city. The specific mention or failure to mention particular powers shall not be construed as limiting in any way the powers of this city. Please plan accordingly ; ) Thanks! Bill Charter HB 636
Enuff Govt Already May 17, 2012 at 07:53 PM
@mcatl...try the county budget books (they have multi years in the finance area of the county web site) for each position, # of positions and wage. The county has posted it for years. Also there was a time when the apartments along Buford Hwy were viewed in much the same way newer apartments in more affluent communities are viewed today hosting pro athletes and other young and upperly mobile. Buf Hwy was beginning its renewal until the real estate slump. It will contiune after an economic recovery. We should let market demand dictate not a council or commission. @Mitchell Thomas, google State of Ga Ethic Division or campaign finance. The state has posted this info for several years; even for DeKalb commissioners. ....The sky isn't falling and we don't need more govt!
Mitchell Thomas May 17, 2012 at 09:18 PM
Please! I know how Dekalb Government operates! Or fails too!
"E Pluribus Unum" May 18, 2012 at 03:10 AM
There is no need for a debate. The "kind and gracious" offer is nothing but a set-up. As a matter of fact, after watching the 20+ Republican primary debates, it's obvious nothing is directly, honestly discussed in that format. It's only a game of sticking to pre-determined talking points and viciously attacking the other perspective. No, having a debate and resorting to a flawed study by the CVI is the absolute last thing we need.
HDM May 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM
More discussion is definitely needed, there is too much "misunderstood" talking points being bandied about.
not one of 60 May 21, 2012 at 08:52 PM
Cat Calling Kettle black! Every side is "right". Self-righteousness is good so long as it serves you! just sayin'! Anyway honesty on this issue would never serve anyone!
not one of 60 May 21, 2012 at 08:54 PM
1000s of apartments in one area: maybe a good idea in 1960. Not today not anymore! I think marginalization and poverty ghettos debate is long lost! I am afraid the "Jones'" really don't want mixed use communities!
Barb Halaburt May 24, 2012 at 05:03 AM
There have been some comments implying that we in North Dekalb county believe we are "better than' those South Dekalb county. This issue has NOTHING to do with such childish comparisons! It's not about the quality of Dekalb's citizens, it is about where the Dekalb elected officials chose to spend their limited resources. From the perspective of the parks, it is quite easy to see that time and again, limited park funds go primarily to South Dekalb parks. Take a stroll through Brookhaven Park, then compare that to the beautiful, new Exchange Center in S.Dekalb:(http://www.crossroadsnews.com/view/full_story/14635386/article-DeKalb-to-cut-ribbon-on-Exchange-Rec-Center) Or take a look at the Dekalb Parks page and look at parks slated for million dollar renovations. Guess what? They are all in S. Dekalb! (http://www.co.dekalb.ga.us/parks/ - scroll to bottom of page) Or consider the Dekalb County library remodel plan. Of the 13 libraries slated to be remodeled, guess which one was last on the schedule? You guessed it! The only one in N. Dekalb County! And now guess what? Dekalb is telling us, "Sorry...but we don't have enough $ to complete the Brookhaven Library! But you are welcome to come enjoy all the lovely new facilities we recently built SOUTH of I-85!" Time and time again, Dekalb officials CHOOSE to divert country tax dollars to the benefit of SOUTH Dekalb county. I'm tired of being Dekalb's 'Ugly Step Child'!!
Steve Walker May 24, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Amen Sister !! Can't wait for July 31st to vote YES !!


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