BrookhavenYES Holds Second Community Meeting

More than 75 people attended the meeting at the Chamblee-Dunwoody Holiday Inn.

held the second in its series of planned neighborhood meetings this past Wednesday night.

The meeting was held at the Chamblee-Dunwoody Holiday Inn. Click on the photographs in this story to learn more about the evening.

Enuff Govt Already May 11, 2012 at 01:31 PM
Seven officers on two shifts: Well that’s the model of our neighbor to the north and they said "with a force of just 46 sworn officers, it is growing increasingly difficult to maintain adequate visibility and reduce crime" (Dunwoody Annual Operating and Capital Budget 2012). The model would give Brookhaven a total of 14 officers for a 24 hour period. Seriously, less than the number of officers who currently serve the area? The DeKalb police commander spelled out the number of officers currently working the Brookhaven area; a minimum of 6 on the day squad, a minimum of 6 on the evening squad, a minimum of 6 on the morning squad and 8 on the robbery-narcotic suppression squad. That’s almost double the number of officers that a city would provide. Then when the additional squads like the DUI team, gang squad or K9 squad operate in the Brookhaven area the number of officers in the footprint gets even larger. The north precinct commander stated crime was down by double digits last year while the model city reported overall crime declined about 1%. Downgrading public safety is dangerous and dumb.
HamBurger May 11, 2012 at 01:35 PM
Mr. Keller, you are saying the new city will provide the following services: police, parks, code enforcement, roads and zoning. HB 636 allows the new city to provide a host of services, but I do not see anything specifically stating the five services you mention. How do you know what services the new city will provide when this decision will be made by elected officials if the city vote passes in July? Are you running for elected office? If not, who has Brookhaven Yes chosen to run for the various elected positions? You also state “The new city could have one of the lowest tax burdens in metro Atlanta.” How do you know this? Dunwoody has been used as a model for the new city of Brookhaven, yet our poverty rates and commercial tax bases are completely different. Care to elaborate on this anomaly? May I have some more of those thin sliced onions and pickles?
HamBurger May 11, 2012 at 02:09 PM
The Brookhaven Yes crowd is really glossing over the importance of police protection in our area. A full shift for the proposed city is what DKPD uses for a special operation on Peachtree Road or Buford Highway and still has officers available to answer calls. The budget for the new city police department is blown from the start in comparison to what we have now. I prefer to have a police department capable of handling the bad guys, not riding around and checking on vacationers homes three times a day. You want someone to watch your house while you are out of town? Form a neighborhood watch group in your area, they are very effective. Special Mr. HamBurger hamburgers to all my DCPD buddies!
J. Max Davis May 11, 2012 at 03:05 PM
Brookhaven will have more than twice the number of officers on patrol than Dekalb currently provides. What the" no " folks aren't telling you is that the Dekalb numbers they keep citing are the entire north precinct sworn officers. The north precinct covers about double the size of the city footprint so for comparison purposes the number of sworn officers "no" folks claim should be cut in half. Then when you look at officers actually patrolling the streets (actual Dekalb watch sheets) you will see an even smaller number of patrols. This is because the number of "sworn officers" doesn't translate into a police officer in a car, driving your streets. "Sworn officers" can also can work behind a desk. The bureaucratic bloat seen in Dekalb government unfortunately also applies to the police department.
Mark Graffagnino May 11, 2012 at 08:24 PM
When is the PawnShopsYES crowd going to have a public meeting to tell us how this is going to ruin civilization as we know it?
the Colonel May 11, 2012 at 08:27 PM
BROOKHAVEN YES 5-10-12 FUNDRAISER A BUST. DESPERATION IS FINAL MEASURE. DEF-CON 1 http://www.reporternewspapers.net/brookhaven-cityhood-vote/ OVER.
HamBurger May 11, 2012 at 08:50 PM
Mr. Mark, if you read my previous commentary regarding the pawn shop, you know the existing zoning system worked. If little ole Mr. HamBurger understands this, I would think that someone with your rich experience in that area would understand it as well. Oh? You were making a funny? I like the civilization part, makes them seem so Neanderthal . . . It appears as though you have already decided the city issue. If not, here are some links that may be of interest: http://nocitybrookhaven.com/ http://nonewcity.org/ http://www.ashfordneighbors.org/ No thank you, ketchup is for French fries!
Mark Graffagnino May 11, 2012 at 09:46 PM
The only thing that worked, was the Ashford Alliance, who brought the situation to the attention of the county. I wasn't making a funny, I was pointing out that your fearless leader who talks about "preserving our neighborhood" tried to put a freaking Pawn Shop right smack in our neighborhood. The awning sign was even installed. So despite all the clever names you guys can come up with, PawnShopsYES is the most accurate name for your group and your leader's true intentions. "Less zoning, less code enforcement. No New City, PawnShopsYES"
Enuff Govt Already May 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM
I have seen some of the watch sheets and as explained to me the county maintains a MIMINUM of 6 officers on the 3 squads/shifts. The squads/shifts average 8 to 10 officers. Also as it was explained to me there are 5 patrol zones/territories and only 1 patrol zones does not interact the Brookhaven area. Officers assigned to the 4 other patrol zones work calls for service in the Brookhaven area. Then adding in the robbery-narcotic suppression squad which apparently works an overlapping shift you add at least an additional 8 officers on patrol. This squad works during the peak times apparently. When the additional squads like the DUI team work in the area the police numbers grow again. The number of officers DOES translate into an officer in a car and on patrol. "Desk duty", do you mean the precinct commander and the 2 captains? The model proposed by "YES" will be fewer officers on the streets, less capabilities and less support; a definite downgrade.
the Colonel May 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Jim M. May 12, 2012 at 02:41 AM
It seems like the best way to put the facts on the table, including watch sheets, services spelled out in the City of Brookhaven Charter, financials of DeKalb, etc., is to have a public debate. Thoughts anyone?
Stan May 12, 2012 at 03:17 AM
Who would debate? Since all the opposition websites are anonymous and many of the opposition on these blogs use pseudonyms I can picture the debate with the BrookhavenYES folks on one side of the table and the opposition with hoods and masks on the other.
HamBurger May 12, 2012 at 04:32 AM
Mr. Mark, you are a nice fellow, but I underestimated your knowledge and experience with leasing, zoning, and construction. Clearly, your lack of experience is showing for all to see. Yes, the Ashford Alliance recognized a potential concern; however, the system did work. 1 – Zoning is verified when you get a building permit. 2 – Zoning is checked when you get a business license. 3 – Zoning is checked when you get a sign permit. Was a permit pulled? 4 – Violation of any of the above and you will not open. 5 – There is no pawn shop at Old Cross Keys. It is not unusual for a prospective tenant to try to secure what they consider an exceptional location and tell a knowing landlord they will take a chance and try to secure the space. Business successes are based on a certain amount of risk, and if the pawn shop construction manager did not have the backing of his superiors, he just may have lost his job. Ultimately, the lessee is the responsible party in a lease agreement, but you knew that, right? My suggestion for you is a steak tartar marinated in a shot of Jack Daniels . . . Not my favorite, but just might get your mind right . . .
J. Max Davis May 12, 2012 at 06:36 AM
Yeah . . . I just want to make sure you follow me . . . Here are my code names for you to follow on this forum: M Max No city Lies City Yes Briarwood Bulldogs William You can use my various Patch names to see my past posts. My favorite forum name hijack is Mr. Hamburger, but I am very conflicted, but you all know that already . . . Conflicted . . . Yeah, I just LOVE his special hamburgers!
Mark Graffagnino May 12, 2012 at 02:19 PM
I certainly can appreciate your attempt to confuse the issue, but here it is: Laurenthia Mesh, the leader of the opposition group to a City of Brookhaven, of which you are a gleeful participant, tried to put a Pawn Shop in our neighborhood. Spin it all you want, you're just wasting your time. "LESS Zoning, LESS Code Enforcement, NO new city, PawnShopsYES"
HamBurger May 13, 2012 at 02:14 AM
Man . . . What a crazy dream I had . . . A lot of Internet gremlins last night! I checked the Patch today and just as I thought; it was a bad dream . . . Study the facts as they are presented from Brookhaven Yes. Then read between the lines. Look carefully at the folks pro city and noodle out their motivations for a new city. Anything more than we have now will be costing us. The question is, is it really worth it? There are a lot of folks in the northern part of the proposed city that were initially a part of Dunwoody that are not part of that final city. Should folks in this area have the right to drag geographically unrelated areas into their new city and name it a name that does not relate to their area? Just why have our state elected officials not lead the way in utilizing their power and influence in changing DeKalb government and schools? City or no, we are still in DeKalb County and support DeKalb schools and there will be an overlapping of services. For example, Dunwoody now wants to build a civic center and city hall. Is this necessary? Will Brookhaven citizens be asked to authorize this as well? What a beautiful late spring day for a Mr. Hamburger special hamburger!
Phillip McKrevis May 13, 2012 at 02:32 AM
Everyone should go and look at all of the posts from M, Max, City Yes, Briarwood Bulldog, and No City Lies. These are all J. Max Davis - Brookhaven Yes President - and aspiring city politician. You vote for this guy and you get what you deserve. Trash.
Jim M. May 13, 2012 at 09:34 PM
In regards to the debate, it seems like someone from Brookhaven Yes and Laurenthia Mesh should present. Also, for blogging, non-personal attacks would be more appropriate. If you don't want a new city, vote accordingly. But let's keep it civil.
Mark Graffagnino May 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Speaking of motivations, Laurenthia Mesh, the leader of the cityhood opposition group, tried to put a Pawn Shop in our neighborhood. Thanks to the Ashford Alliance, she was unsuccessful. "LESS Zoning, LESS code enforcement. NO new city, PawnShopsYES."
Stan May 14, 2012 at 01:21 AM
Another opposition leader is Sandy Murray, President of the Ashford Neighbors, oops I'm sorry Ashford Alliance. There is a pattern forming here.
Booyah May 14, 2012 at 01:27 AM
How do you know that to be the case. Maybe Phillip McKrevis, Carl Childres, Hamburger, Enuff are all the same people as well. Most likely a teenager sitting in their bedroom with a computer.
J. Max Davis May 14, 2012 at 03:13 AM
Phillip McKrevis, Resident 30319 called me a teenager and I resemble it! Now if you excuse me, I am going to Europe for a while to see if I can find “m”.
Max May 14, 2012 at 03:17 AM
@Jim M. "Sir, you get it!" At the end of all this I may still have a Black and Tan at Balls 'n Bats. No need for anyone to get all 'froggy' on this stuff..
Janice May 14, 2012 at 04:15 PM
This whole city of Brookhaven is dream't up by a few local realtors and their puppet Mike Jacobs. The rest of the group seem to spend their lives drinking their sorrows at the Bat and Ball. Its all about them and what they get out of it and nothing more.
Mitchell Thomas May 16, 2012 at 01:30 AM
Ms. Mesh ugh! Research her properties and political donations!
Mitchell Thomas May 16, 2012 at 01:31 AM
Mitchell Thomas May 16, 2012 at 01:33 AM
No it's about property values. Local control. Zoning and code enforcement. Elimination of apartment cities and slum lords and reducing crime. What's made up is all of these workers of slum lords, pawn shops and strip clubs trying to scare people out of self determination!


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