Brookhaven Candidates Learned Cityhood Tips from Dunwoody in Closed Meeting

The Brookhaven City Mayor and Council candidates met privately in Dunwoody to gain insight.

At an event hosted by State Rep. Mike Jacobs and Sen. Fran Millar on Monday morning, Brookhaven City Council candidates and members of the Governor's Commission for Brookhaven met to learn from Dunwoody officials about creating the City of Brookhaven.

The information session, hosted at Dunwoody City Hall, was closed to the public and the press.

“It was organized to enable the Brookhaven governor’s commission and candidates for the city council to hear first hand from people who were involved in setting up the city of Dunwoody,” Jacobs said in a Brookhaven Reporter article.

Included in the session were presentations from the Perimeter Community Improvement Districts and the Brookhaven Peachtree Community Alliance.

Brookhaven Patch is currently working to get more information about what exactly was discussed at the meeting and why it was closed to the public.

General Oglethorpe September 26, 2012 at 07:47 PM
I'd be careful about ascribing my comments Mr. Davis, Greig unless you are getting the IP addresses from Patch and can prove same. I'm just sayin;.
Eddie E. September 26, 2012 at 08:18 PM
GO, Then state the whole concept. I have commented on ensuring there was adequate UNION REPRESENTATION for city workers. This is not something to trust to some bait-and-switch insurance broker.
General Oglethorpe September 26, 2012 at 08:23 PM
EddieE: So tell me why government workers, especially, need Unions, please. Regret your confusion over my remarks about what you said, but I do recall your position that Brookhaven needs union representation to start. A premise I categorically reject. Bait and swith insurance broker? Explain when you can. Your world view is so cynical, who do you actually trust?
Eddie E. September 26, 2012 at 08:32 PM
GO, Why do city employees, especially public safety employees deserve adequate (Union Quality) protection? Because the citizenry that professed this municipality to to be the great savior have been suggesting cutting every corner possible from day one. Ensuring proper health care, long term accident recovery care, adequate retirement for a job well done are EXPENSIVE. This is a fact that may have eluded the city proponents. Once the costs are real, daily items who do you think those imbued with the notion made popular by the late harpy Leona Helmsley 'I don't pay taxes, little people pay taxes' are going to throw under the bus? I trust very, very few people, and there are less than three in insurance among them.
General Oglethorpe September 26, 2012 at 08:45 PM
Reasonable suppositions though you have a flair for hyperbole. I would imagine that an Officer would not change departments if the pay and benefits were not superlative, especially a veteran Police professional. Right? I mean free will still works. All of Dunwoody's Officers are veteran Officers, some cross trained in SWAT, other fields. The pay rate and benefits package is outstanding, educational allowances, car allowances, and so forth. No need for costly Unions. Why? Not necessary if the free market provides above average benefits. Awhile back you railed on about how poorly roadwork would be accomplished, remember that? Once again, facts deny your point of view. Dunwoody roadwork completed by the same private contractors that build highways, to highly specific engineering standards. More roadwork done in four years than the previous 15 years. I hope that Brookhaven has the same type of experiences, EddieE. Not to make you look bad, but rather to show you and others that smaller Cities work well. I'll buy you a cold beer at 57th Fighter Group sometime, you are a worth the effort. Heck, I'll invite HamBurger along just to look him in the eye. Peaceful and neighborly, a 'learning moment.'
Brookhaven Maven September 26, 2012 at 09:22 PM
To Shawn Keefe @ 11:14 -- Reposting Kiri's response to my request for confirmation: **Kiri Walton **6:12 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 **Hi Brookhaven Maven, yes the civilian co-chairs also attended, Rep. Jacobs told **me yesterday. I'll have his full story on the meeting up later this morning. and responding to your injunction to me to stop believing the word on the street --- Looks to me like my street sources are better than your internal official communications sources. Or, if you knew that my information was correct, why didn't you confirm this yourself? More hiding the truth? THIS MUST STOP! -- The Maven
Brookhaven Maven September 26, 2012 at 09:43 PM
To Kim Gokce @ 11:53a -- The 10,900 people who voted on the cityhood issue probably pretty accurately reflects the interests of the 25,600 registered electorate of Brookhaven, as well as those of the 49,200 citizens of the resulting city. It is also very likely that 45% of the entire population either didn't want to be a city or didn't care. No conspiracists here, just 20,000 or so unhappy people. You are a smart guy, so you should realize the handful of posters who are expressing their unhappiness at the way this whole thing has progressed probably represent 45 - 50% of the total population. A lot was done in secrecy or, minimally, with no real outreach to involve the entire community. This trend seems to be continuing, or else you guys are very confused. Please answer this in your official capacity as Communications Guru: If this recent candidates /committees / commissioners meeting was as "disappointing" and mundane as you indicate, they why was it NOT an open meeting? Why was the general public excluded from attending and listening to what transpired? I suppose John Q Public will never know. To paraphrase you --- As a citizen, I will never have the option to be outraged if this opportunity is not leveraged by the candidates and the Commission. And more's the shame for it! Tagline -- Brookhaven: Move along, folks. Nothing to see here. -- The Maven
Brookhaven Maven September 26, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Mr. Gokce -- As a follow-up to my 5:43p post --- Why was the media banned from this Dunwoody meeting? Doing so simply antagonizes those who believe the city founders are being less than transparent. Again, what was the big secret that kept the reporters out? If the answer to that is that there was no big secret, then why were they excluded? Since many, if not most of us, have to work for a living and may not be able to attend these events, we rely on the media (including blogs and fora) for our information. It would be great if you would see that this exclusion doesn't occur again without a very good reason. Thank you. -- The Maven
TomMiller September 26, 2012 at 10:01 PM
"You you should realize the handful of posters who are expressing their unhappiness at the way this whole thing has progressed probably represent 45 - 50% of the total population. " Nope. That thinking is not logical. Remember logics from high school right? Using a few to support the belief that many agree with that is not logical. The folks on here are just that - a small handful of people.
Brookhaven Maven September 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM
To Tom Miller @ 6:01p -- Then, you have just thrown out all of the statistical sciences developed over the last 50 years, not to mention every poll conducted (including that insidious Neilson poll for TV watchers), as well as sampling of chickens for infectious diseases. Way to go! -- The Maven
Eddie E. September 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM
GO, A nice spin around the block, but I thought we were talking about Brokehaven, not Dunwoody as they are not US. Unions offer defined, long term protection. I understand the potential temporary nature of our not-yet-established municipality so I comprehend the tentative approach for the short term. Of course, I intend to be here for a long, long time (unless it goes south and the need to lease my home out as an addict recovery center becomes necessary) and I would like to feel that any public safety officers feel a sense of 'dedication' to more than this week's check. And it's nice that Dunwody pulled off a paving job across from Perimeter. I think I mentioned the 'blind hog finding an acorn' on another thread. I moved away from a small town a few decades ago and the impending aggravations were examples of why. Time will tell and if I'm right I'm sure the BYES folks will accept full responsibility for their arrogance. Right?
HamBurger September 26, 2012 at 10:32 PM
Mr. General, I understand that if city creation of geographical areas that have no relation to one another continues, DeKalb County will continue to fragment, have higher city and county taxes in incorporated and unincorporated areas, and be less attractive to own property in the county as a whole. Instead of starting the incorporation craze in DeKalb, the “Smart People” with the assistance of their elected state officials along with the rest of North DeKalb should have organized and demanded government and school system changes in this county. Now we have two cities in the northern part of the county and our county government and school system still suck. And, we now have another layer of government. An organized effective citizen’s movement eight or ten years ago would have precluded little things like the recent DCSS pay raises you have noted not to mention the train wreck of a school system we now have. And, the folks in Decatur would be more attentive to our needs. The more government you have the less quality of life you have. There were alternatives, but no one wanted to listen. Conservatives NEVER vote for more government, they always seek alternatives. You might be interested in these potential new city links: http://tinyurl.com/btzm8dw http://tinyurl.com/cpqhutq Please pass the yellow mustard!
Prissy Mae Millendorf, Brookhaven Socialite September 26, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Oh my dears Mr. Ericsson & Mr. BeefPuss: What a delightful laugh I have had with your comparisons of me to Mr. Davis. How utterly drole & fully erroneous. Mr. Ericsson, I would be more than happy to accept your kiss since it would mean I would be kissing both you & one of your alters Mr. BeefPuss at the same time. Kind of like eliminating two birds with one stone. However, I would be so surprised if you would accept my confirmation of your invitation to kiss since I am under the clear belief from your voluminous comments that you & I don't play for the same team. Many sighsssssssssss...... At any rate, I'm so appreciative of your request. Fondly & Gleefully, Ms. Millendorf
Kim Gokce September 27, 2012 at 12:15 AM
I respect all who voted in the July 31 election regardless of vote. I voted ready to live with the results either way. Regarding the incredible opportunity Dunwoody presented to the candidates of Brookhaven, it was held at Dunwoody City Hall. It included walking around the facilities for hours. The goal was to provide a forum for candidate questions and to cram as much value and insight into the candidates as possible about the cityhood start-up that is staring them in the face. The meeting room did not have enough room to seat all the candidates, citizen volunteers, and commissioners that did attend. The City of Dunwoody officials can be forgiven for planning and running a very efficient and productive session in my opinion. While I appreciate the sentiments behind some of the criticism being shared here, critics are overlooking the common sense reality that there was no facility appropriate to publish an "all hands" invitation to the public and it would have been a disaster - not only in terms of diverting the candidates' attention from the purpose (their "training") but also in terms of safety. These are my opinions and sense of the event. It was right. It was good. It was necessary. It was an enormous "gift" from the people and officials of the City of Dunwoody and I thank them profusely and publicly for their support the the Brookhaven startup efforts.
HamBurger September 27, 2012 at 01:26 AM
Mr. Kim, you are keenly aware of the concerns that many folks have taken exception to regarding the process that has brought us to cityhood. Knowing such, and aware of the tight schedule for the committee to complete their work, advance notice is paramount for folks to have an informed warm and fuzzy about this new city. It may be a tough scheduling hand the committee has been dealt, but transparent and fast information sharing with reasonable notice will solve a lot of problems and make life easier for all of us. Street information and rumors are totally unacceptable. Just a thought . . . Please pass the yellow mustard!
Kim Gokce September 27, 2012 at 01:29 AM
I think you are 100% USDA Choice Correct Beef.
HamBurger September 27, 2012 at 01:37 AM
Mr. Kim, Choice? Respectfully, that would be Prime . . . I got customers, you know . . . Cheerwine with that special hamburger?
Brookhaven Maven September 27, 2012 at 02:02 AM
Really, Mr. Gokce? Really? Even though you didn't address my specific comments in my earlier posts to you above, your global responses were interesting. I take away the following from them: 1) The Dunwoody City Hall facility is not large enough to have any sizeable crowd attend a function. Maybe we should revisit the Brookhaven City Hall requirements, since we will certainly want to invite our neighbors in central DeKalb across I-85 to a similar function to share what we have learned once THEY incorporate. We need to plan ahead so that we can host upwards of 200 people to such an event. 2) The number of people attending precluded allowing Dick Williams and Tim Darnell and another reporter to come in and witness progress in action. Really? They are pretty thin guys. No room for 3 more people? Really? 3) Regardless of promises made about transparency and open meetings, the people who are running the show are going to continue to do whatever they want and seek to placate / silence their critics with excuses and oblique justifications. Really? Revised Tag Line -- Brookhaven: We're not Dunwoody, but we're copying them! -- The Maven
Jack of Kings September 27, 2012 at 02:26 AM
Kim -- I, for one, appreciate your willingness to step up and spend some of your free time without compensation to try to assist in helping the new City. As you can see, this apparently thankless task will be challenging when just factoring the critical input from the Patch Peanut Gallery that chooses to not do anything constuctive like you. But there are many who do value your willingness to contribute.
Eddie E. September 27, 2012 at 03:05 AM
Mr. Kim, You identified a major concern that has hardly been addressed. Throughout the development of our Republic, citizens with a sense of community have coalesced around central concerns and shared principles. Over time, a central meeting location became accepted for presentation of grievances and discussion of mutual concerns. Fast forward to today and we have a breach in the normal evolution. Since the assemblage of neighborhoods have no real shared concerns, there has never been a development of location for discussion.... We now have a town, with no town hall. I guess we can invent that too.
Eddie E. September 27, 2012 at 03:06 AM
Phil, Just think of the value the rest of us place on being LEFT ALONE.
Booyah September 27, 2012 at 03:11 AM
@Kim, you need to learn to ignore the anonymous posters on this blog. They will continue to amuse themselves at your expense regardless of the actions you take. If you say blue, they'll say it's a conspiracy and it's really red. It's just a big game for folks without a real life. It's easy to make demands behind the protection of a nom de guerre. They don't volunteer their time, don't make contributions, don't add anything to the community. They just write drivel and accuse everyone else of being a part of what makes them feel societal impotency.
General Oglethorpe September 27, 2012 at 03:14 AM
What A Resident said...
Eddie E. September 27, 2012 at 03:30 AM
residual, Just what does 'it's really red' mean?
Eddie E. September 27, 2012 at 03:31 AM
res, Everyone knows who I am, just who the heck are you?
Grieg Ericsson September 27, 2012 at 03:46 AM
And what is your name Friendo?
Grieg Ericsson September 27, 2012 at 03:50 AM
Phil-Doh, Please refrain.
Grieg Ericsson September 27, 2012 at 03:51 AM
I volunteer all the time. Where's your rotund little bottoms been volunteering?
Kim Gokce September 27, 2012 at 04:11 AM
I appreciate the kind words of posters above but it really isn't necessary. I am happy to play "Grace Kelly" to the aggressive bloggers "George Burns" ... This job is not a thankless task at all. It is an honor and I'll continue to play straight man because that is all I wish to do. Hope to see all of you at tonight's Commission meeting!
Prissy Mae Millendorf, Brookhaven Socialite September 27, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Oh dear curmudgeon BeefPuss: Alas, I know of no one by the name of Bill & I certainly don't smoke cigars. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else at your friend Bill's cigar establishment. I have it on record that you attend his parties and tete a tetes quite regularly. Happy smoking. Gleefully, Ms. Millendorf


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