People in Brookhaven who didn't bother turning out to vote against it because they were playing golf, tennis or having lunch at Capital City Club ? Or perhaps their Mercedes had to have the oil changed and their Ferrari needed to be completely detailed before the trip to the lake house on Lake Burton ? What a shame to have to talk to people who live near Murphy Candler...lol.

Eddie E. The population of Brookhaven has increased 20% in the 2 years since the census.

Ben Podgor

Mr. Ben, by chance do you have a source for that population increase?

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Good weed huh Janet?

Joy, my dear Grieg, is also when your 4 year old disabled daughter smiles and says she loves you. I hope one day you drop this negative persona, and experience a little happiness. P.S. I didn't vote for this either, but it's here, make the best of it.

The city of brookhaven contains much more than just residential communities.

Eric is right about the commercial aspect. The slogan should be:

Brookhaven: Home of the Pink Pony!

I'm not sure why certain folks have such a fixation on the PInk Pony - they are a blip revenue wise and property size wise on the greater picture. We have two CID districts - one at the perimeter and one at Lenox park. We also have the numerous offices and hotels along I 85 including but not limited to corporate square.

And we have some live work shop play communities, and frankly if you put some decent highways in along 85 and more signalized cross walks we could call the entire strip of Buford Highway a Live Work Shop Play community.

Mr. Eric, just because the Pink Pony is a Citizen’s Indulgence District unto its self does not mean that it is not our third CID. Plus, with the DUI laws stacked against the accused, think of what a great revenue generator the Pink Pony CID will be come for a revenue driven police department!

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Hadn't thought of it that way. You've got a point.

"Brookhaven, invented, bought and paid for by those profiting from it."---Eddie E

You really think they spend their own money?

Sweet pickles, please Mike.

Thats Doraville.

Joy is a dish washing liquid.

Ill bet a butterfly just landed on your shoulder.

Thumbs up what?

I'll second that one!

Tim,
Please refrain.

"Just leave."---Tim Abel

Said like a true redneck.

We need some fly paper.

'Brookhaven A Safe City: No HamBurgers or don G's roam our streets !"

Are you accusing me of being a threat to public safety?

Would you be Jacobs' Clockdale?

Eric Hovdesven: Even if we do not find the perfect logo and tag line, the fact that people work together, not pull apart, is important. Whatever is used, can be changed if something better comes along. We call that progress.

Ben Podgor

There's plenty more pressing things to work together on. And as evidenced by this column I don't see much value in it as a kumbaya tool.

Yes a catch phrase can be done now and changed later, but frankly I don't feel like spending a cent on the ink to print one until we get the more pressing issues taken care of.

AMEN ERIC!!! Geez. You are exactly right. It is VERY STUPID. Perhaps the same school children that did Pogdor's website should do the logo.

Eric,
Apparently every bad comedy needs a 'tag line'.

However, think for a second, when is the last time a sports contest was won by the cheerleaders?

"...do you guys need clicks that badly..."---Eric

The 'corporatist' interim government must impose itself.

What better way then hiding behind children no less?

"Even if we do not find the perfect logo and tag line, the fact that people work together, not pull apart, is important...---Ben Podger

Ben Vinson made it quite clear that the public has absolutely no input on the matter.

The non-elected interim government has dictated that children will do it and that is that.

"Whatever is used, can be changed if something better comes along. We call that progress."---Ben Podger

As in contributing even more, as you did post, to their "Christmas funds"?

And you want to keep track of accounting for the new city and its privatization of even such services as the city government's enforcers that one has to wonder just why there had to be a city except for how the privatizations would benefit the politicians? Or, at least, a certain clique of politicians?

Already in place?

Who taught you accounting?

Meyer Lanskey?

How bout I like eggs?

I'm willing to bet anyone $100 dollars that Mike will win the next election. Please I'll take as many bets on that as possible

I would enjoy seeing him ousted! It would be just desserts for south Brookhaven who originally did not want a city and who were basically commandeered into cityhood by a bill he introduced with support from neighborhoods typically associated with Chamblee not the Brookhaven area to dethrone Jacobs at the polls. Come election time it is time for South Brookhaven to make a good showing at the polls.

Sandy Murray was the only opponent. With her dropping out to run for Mayor of Brookhaven against the J. Max and Larry Danese Mike Jacobs has secured re-election.

Frankly in light of all the comments on here I'm surprised he doesn't have an opponent.

Eric,
The collective annoyance in 2014 should make accomplishing the task much, much easier.

The voters had a chance to repudiate mike via the cty vote. How did that go bhaven no gang?

AO,
Mike didn't (and doesn't) represent the half of the city that voted solid NO.

Amazing what a small mind can accomplish in the OnePartyState!

EPU, you are correct about Mike, but remember some people think they are no longer in DeKalb County. And, these people vote.

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Thus the reason for my offer to bet as many people as possible.

Fool. Try Alexander Pope. Not Elvis.

It could mean they voted for him despite his being disbarred from practicing law in GA.

I think your Ensure must be out of date.

Ben as with the statement of the square miles of the city being 12 and not less, Google or Wikipedia is not a good source. the 40,000 figure is based on census areas that do not cover the entire city.

The 49,000 figure is based on the 2010 census for the voting precincts in the City of Brookhaven. I don't know where the number is but when they drew the new districts based on the 2010 Census numbers they used the 2010 Census population for each voting precinct.

Does anyone know if a listing of every precinct and its population is available on line? We don't have that many precincts so its fairly easy to calculate - though I guess we have some split voting precincts.

Mr. Ben, like Mr. Eric, I question the numbers and the geography in your sources. The new city does not follow established voting precinct or census mapping. Thus, as a citizen on a computer, you almost have to go street by street and make educated guesses as to in undefined areas and populations.

Regardless, my guess is the populations in districts #1 and #3 are close to what they were in 2010 and the populations in districts #2 and #4 may be slightly less. I attribute this to immigrant populations that may have continued to leave the area since 2008.

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Mr. Hank, would you like a special hamburger and a Cheerwine before you leave?

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Do you subscribe to the notion that being handed a warm plate of manure changes one's palate?

Yep, that book looks like what I'm talking about - the best branding doesn't come from a silly "tag line." Tag lines are just good for revenue generating clicks on inane internet chat boards. Branding comes from good urban design practices - in other words our Brookhaven will define itself through its Land Use plan and Zoning and Development approvals. In other words actions (what gets approved and built) speak louder than words (silly tag lines). It would be great if we could be a city without drive-throughs and with pedestrian scale retail (ie. good street presence - windows and doors instead of parking spaces).

I like these reviews of the book -:
"It book will be a shock for people who think a brand is a logo or tagline or something you buy from an advertising or public relations agency"
or
"Most importantly, this book details how to avoid wasting money on superficial advertising and promotion campaigns and focus on substance."

Eric,

Brookhaven had an established brand. It was a neighborhood that people desired to live in, if just to throw out a cool, hip name. Location was not too shabby. Unless this city government is run in an amazing way that is also cool and hip, that established branding before the city will be gone forever. This was the major reason for the name of the city to be anything but Brookhaven. It already had a brand and an identity. Now that brand and identity is all but gone.

Those that were wishing and hoping that their inclusion in the city called Brookhaven would somehow increase the value of their property are going to find out how the reverse can happen.

The Historical Brookhaven area will be the only part of the city that retains the true brand of Brookhaven before the city. All other sections have become a part of something that is not special, not unique, just another city.

So for those that really do want their property values to increase, they had better get to work making an exceptionally great city government that makes people want to live in any part of Brookhaven because of that great government. The spreading of the Brookhaven brand across such a large area took away the mystique of calling Brookhaven home.

Don't worry homeowners: DeKalb County will value your property higher than market values. So be sure to show the tax bill to your friends and potential buyers when they ask how much you are listing your house for.

Bill with all due respect what you wrote has nothing to do with the issue at hand. But ok lets explore. In terms of Geographic lines what was your definition of Brookhaven before the city?

And what do you think will happen to the identify of your neighborhood, DECA, once Chamblee takes it over? And what do you think will happen to Chamblee's identity as a city on the right track once it takes over DECA and Century City? Interestingly Chamblee's brand didn't get diluted by annexing the land up to 285 on the eastern border of Brookhaven's District 1. Also Sandy Springs taking over the area covered by the Dunwoody Homeowners Association and considered as being a Dunwoody Neigbhorhood didn't get hurt when Sandy Springs put up their Welcome to Sandy Springs signs at its border with northern border of DeKalb/Dunwoody.

I don't think the neighborhoods along Windsor will suffer, nor will the Historic Brookhaven mansions nor will Dresden Drive suffer from the "dilution of the Brookhaven brand" I mean we aren't talking tulip bulbs here.

Mr. Eric, the area covered by the city limits of Dunwoody closely represents what folks thirty years ago would consider Dunwoody. The one exception is the Murphy Candler area which was orphaned by Dunwoody.

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What do you think caused Dunwoody to orphan Murphey Candler 30 years ago? The opening of 285 30 years ago or the drawing of the school district so that Murphey Candler was in the Chamblee High and feeder school District instead of the Dunwoody High and feeder school District (which I believe was also 30 years ago?)

Or maybe it was that Murphey Candler was orphaned by the Annexation by Chamblee of the other side of its historic neighborhood - Gainsborough East - including the neighborhood pool http://gainsboroughpool.com/ that the neighborhood children's swim team swims out of.

Or maybe you can't really be orphaned by something you were never a part of or ever really wanted to be a part of?

Historic Brookhaven was by estimation, north and east to Johnson Ferry Rd, Peachtree Rd west to Dresden and down to Thompson. IMHO the north and northeast borders were the most defined. Ashofrd Park, up for debate along with the southern border; is it Thompson or Drew Valley? I've always considered Lenox Park (the old Standard Club) and Pine Hills more of Buckhead. Buford Hwy was always its own entity. But it really does not matter anymore, we are going to force assimilation. Chamblee has a great logo to go with their history but the indicators I've looked at say they're on the wrong track. Dunwoody/SandySprings, I remember a little moaning and gnashing of teeth when one of the first things the new city of Sandy Springs did was remove the Dunwoody signs from the top of the street signs. Why does the area need to search for a tag line? Is something missing from the formula for this new city?

As long as we aren't expected to pony up for ridiculous city limit signs (like Chamblee), who cares?

Mr Eric, it had nothing to do with school lines or highways. Folks used to call the Murphy Candler area Dunwoody. Now these folks think Murphy Candler is in Brookhaven.

It is kind of like folks think that area between Buckhead and Midtown is South Buckhead. Wrong, it is Brookwood.

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I've been in Murphey Candler for 17 years and while some people may have said it was Dunwoody most didn't.

And according to our polling effort to not far after the Dunwoody incorporation, the area was divided fairly evenly between a desire to stay unincorporated, to be annexed by Dunwoody or to be annexed by Chamblee. Though from the election results it looks like the 1/3 Dunwoody folks and the 1/3 Chamblee folks agreed on Brookhaven. Granted jump over to the Fulton side of Ashford Dunwoody and I suspect the identification with Dunwoody grows. Though as big an influence as geography is, having kids in the public school system also shifts things, I mean several seasons watching Chamblee Football or Basketball, Chamblee becomes more identifiable than the farm house in Dunwoody Village.

Which raises a question - is the Cross Keys football team considered Historic Brookhaven's high school team or would that be the Fulton County School for what apparently is a larger portion of historic Brookhaven?

And how did we get over to this topic when my intended point was merely that discussing a logo or catch phrase is dumb and that I agree with what the message of this book appears to be about branding not necessarily being done by advertising or logos or catch phrases.

Or that's right Bill diverted me...focus Eric, focus.

Eric,
If you are talking about the real 'historic Brookhaven' the local high school would probably be Lovett.
For those of us on the shabby side of Brookhaven, it was Cross Keys until about 1992 and Chamblee after that.

Roger That,
Re-read the post and pay attention to the geography noted.

Neither.
I was referring to the cityhood efforts and it's vaporous results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svuy51ZrJVg

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"...we missed our chance to be innovative and push for a township..." which Jacobs claimed would require a state-wide referendum to obtain.

It's not over.

Mr Mark, how about this:

“Please don’t judge us by the bigots that got their city”.

You know, if you don’t like the government you have, enlist the services of several state lawmakers to help you create another government to insulate you from the folks you want to escape, right?

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Mark,
You may have missed the memo.
Your 'neighbors' did not sign a 'Borg Contract' and we have not "assimilated".

Why on earth did anyone think that a small majority in a specifically placed election would somehow eliminate dissent?
Why would anyone think that the 'leaders' who have spent the last 4 years deriding 'hope and change' would suddenly be able to flip the coin when it was their 'hope and change' at stake?

Do you get out among people very often?

Hey Mark,
Your non sequitur lifestyle precedes you. Fool.

More like Buckhaven.

Well....only a 'handful' of replies. What do you know......

Aside from the historical significance, the number of catchy rhymes is endless!

Mr. AO, bigots come in all sizes shapes, and colors. Sometimes you have inter-race bigotry. But, you already know that.

Meet me? What makes you think we have not already met?

Special hamburger?

Mr. AO, and that is why we have a new city.

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"You're an idiot."---AO

How much more of an "bigot" can you get?

You just claimed only whites can be bigots.

Mr. Phil, we tried that once before, but you continued to harass me. However, GuruLikeDrucker is running for office. Yet you never call him on it. Must be because he was a C$ND Board Member and with Brookhaven Yes.

Cheerwine with that special hamburger?

Mr. Hamburger,
You slightly misstate.
'Guru like drucker' will be defeated in his lame attempt at public office.
We all get to VOTE on this one so the BHYes backroom doesn't count.

Funny thing about LinkedIn, it records who visited you!

I get a few visitors and saw who dropped by prior to incorporation, a fellow Broker....

Phil, are you saying that HamBurger is a developer? Only two fit, one is was an online Professor, and the other, has no information about his candidacy.

I am puzzled????

Mr. General, doesn’t a commanding historical figure such as you find all this commotion over a HamBurger amusing? So you find out who he/she is what are you and Mr. Phil going to do? Eat him with thin sliced onions, pickles, and yellow mustard?

Personally, I think I would just make sure that y’all focus on your new city and make sure the Brookhaven Yes crowd is giving you what you really want. All this Brookhaven Committee business is a continuation of the “show” perpetuated by Rep. Mike Jacobs, C$ND, and Brookhaven Yes courtesy of a flip-flopping Governor. Ultimately, what they want is what you will get. And, without intelligent, reasonable folks elected to office, my candidates, J. Max Davis and Rebecca Chase Williams may cost you a tax raise in three to five years. Or, less services than promised per the Vinson study.

So, you find yourself a HamBurger, what are you doing about the formation of your new city? Or, are you so comfortable that you actually trust the Brookhaven Yes crowd?

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typo alert: Montgomery

You might want to build some passive stream buffers.
The nice people at Marist have provided you with something you may never have expected.

Mr. Phil, do you realize just how weird your fixation with me appears to others? People at Mr. HamBurger’s think you are a demented stalker . . .

And, your suggestion that I am Jim Eyre could be a problem for you when your insinuations are proven to be incorrect. Think about the consequences of your uninformed actions. You do realize I document everything you say, don’t you?

While you stalk me, would you like a special hamburger and a Cheerwine?

Mr. Phil, and, folks do know who you are, we just like to see you play.

While you stalk me, would you like another special hamburger and a Cheerwine?

How many Citizens will you inappropriately apply to Mr. Hamburger?

Your pathos will be justly rewarded in the coming years.

Mr. Phil, maybe you should read what you write. Interesting . . . Only one developer in the North DeKalb area? And, it is me? You just might want to tread lightly with your continued accusations.

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Hazards of bike riding in Atlanta recounted by Jim Eyre in 2010:

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2010/07/15/cyclist-attacked-angry-motorist/

Is he really running for office? I could not find any campaign info.

Re: that Reporter article did they ever catch the guy he attacked Mr. Eyre while he was on his bike?

I know this happens to cyclists, cars purposely driving to close and almost or sometimes making contact, and its an outrageous practice. If a motor vehicle driver can't share the road with a cyclist and actually actively risks causing them physical harm then I question how they conduct themselves in other aspects of their lives.

Mr. Phil, I am not going to answer your question. I did that once before and you would not accept my answer and continued to harass me and the individual you maliciously mistook me for. You continued to manipulate our conversation to denigrate me. No thank you.

Have you seriously considered professional help?

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Mr. Phil, here is a funny article for you, Mr. GuruLikeDrucker has an article in the Patch and he participates in the conversation below. Hey! By hook or crook!

http://brookhaven.patch.com/articles/the-brookhaven-name-resonates-with-everyone

Special hamburger with thin sliced onions and pickles and yellow mustard coming right up!

Yeah, everyone in Drew Valley has the “Guru” email. It will be interesting to see how he fares during the election. However, because of his Dunwoody employment through an out of state contractor that made large contributions to the Brookhaven Yes ballot committees, I am sure he will have the district #2 Brookhaven Yes crowd support.

Hey! Between whines, you want a Cheerwine?

Mr. Phil, I am not going to answer your question. I did that once before and you would not accept my answer and continued to harass me and the individual you maliciously mistook me for. You continued to manipulate our conversation to denigrate me. No thank you.

Have you seriously considered professional help?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Mr. Phil, your now deleted post shows just how selective your memory is and how you delight in manipulating conversations. And, this is why I choose not to respond to your harassment.

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It appears there is only one poster with this pointless obsession to identify another poster.
Did this start in childhood?

Mr. Phil, you do know that there are a few folks you would associate with Brookhaven Yes that are running for office and one that was not associated with Brookhaven Yes but is pro-city also running for office that participate on the Patch forums don’t you? One has a consistent name and others use multiple names. Just thought I would bring this to your attention . . .

Man! Just smell that special hamburger!

Phil,
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and poop a better argument than you can make.

Mr. Cryptid Hunter, think you can knock off a few coyotes if your travels bring you to Brookhaven? Some issues with them critters along the Nancy Creek area . . .

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Mr. Cryptid Hunter, this large creature you are looking for, would it happen to occasionally ride around in a golf cart?

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" Even though we've never met you have impressed me..."---Political Gadfly

"Amazing drivel"?

Given public office holders should perform their offices without contributions "to their Christmas funds" or whatever, Ben promoted bribery.

And that "impresses" you?

"Political Gadfly"?

More like a mob's.

"AshfordObserver

8:45 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Ben, the officer can be part of something new, less red tape, more community involvement, and perhaps just perhaps a bit more respect from the local citizenry.

One of the top 3 reasons why I and others voted yes for brookhaven -local police. less infighting with dekalb county sheriff.

I look forward to knowing the officer who rides the beat in our neighborhood by name.
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Ben Podgor

9:50 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

AshfordObserver: You should and probably will have the opportunity to visit the local police station, contribute to some small holiday fund they may set up, etc, and if you do meet the officer on patrol, a quick hello is in order too.

As to the City Hall..."

Mr. PG, we are on the same page, however, for different reasons. I am voting for J. Max Davis and Rebecca Chase Williams for the train wreck that they will bring us. Better sooner than later.

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