Travel down Briarcliff Raod to Buford Highway and notice how the apartments homes, which used to be decent, safe, and affordable place to live only twenty years ago, now look like a Philly slum.

This is NOT the fault of residents, everyone wants a safe place to live. Dekalb County has not enforced zoning ordinances, allowing these apartments to fall into a spiral of decay.

Now click on the link and see how this problem can be resolved, making homes safe again and increasing property values and the tax base. Norcross and Sandy Springs did the SAME thing, so this is a proven technique.

http://www.thecrier.net/news/article_efaa15dc-d5a6-11e1-a130-001a4bcf887a.html

New ordinance requires interior apartment inspections :

http://tinyurl.com/dxb84uv

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I am pleased that DeKalb is finally getting on board with what cities are already requiring of their apartment home managers.

Logically, anyone must agree that the frequency and level of compliance will be more focused with a code enforcement department that is responsible for 12 square miles versus an entire County.

That's the point, why ask DeKalb to have a higher level of service, when a City is highly motivated to do it for less?

These guys are clever, they post nonsense, in unison, to bury the lead.

Tammany Hall was defeated.

Dean,
I do look forward to the end of your organizations Foul Underhanded Double-Dealing as do most of my neighbors.

Carol,
Cutting corners by the apartment owners couldn't be at fault could it, it must ALL be the fault of the 'Evil Dekalb Empire' keeping people down.
Wait a minute, Dekalb County doesn't own the property and somebody is collecting the MONEY.
Gosh shouldn't the OWNERS be held responsible (at least to make you feel better)?

No City,BETTER THEN A BAD CITY.DID THE NEW SIGNS,READ TY DEKALB FOR THIS WONDERFUL PARK WE HAD THE BBQ AT ,NO.THAT WOULD GIVE WRONG MESSAGE,WORKING WITH DEKALB,NO WAY RIGHT,NO CITY IS THE RIGHT VOTE

All I know is that I'm selling my 'Patch' "stock"...once the vote is over all the trolls don't have a reason to post ridiculous comments the ad revenues are going to bottom out.

My head hurts at how complicated you folks want to make a really simple issue.

Municipal services. That's it. That's how they are defined in the Georgia constitution. Right now you have a county providing municipal services. You have the opportunity to have some of those municipal services provided by a municipality.

Who will deliver those municipal services better and more efficiently to our community in 2013, 2023, 2050? Who will provide more return on your tax dollar to our community?

I just don't understand how you can look at the budgets, decisions, and track record of DeKalb County and honestly believe that their ability to provide effective and reliable municipal services will improve...we have 20 years of evidence showing continued decline. We need an alternative.

Luckily, we have the ability to join our community and create a municipality to provide municipal services.

That's as simple as it gets.

Who will provide better services and attention to our parks in the next decade? DeKalb or Brookhaven?

Who will provide better, less conflicted, and knowledgeable leadership on zoning? DeKalb or Brookhaven?

Who will provide better police coverage for the next decade? DeKalb or Brookhaven?

Who will provide better code enforcement for the next decade? DeKalb or Brookhaven?

Who will do more to repair sidewalks and streets in our area? DeKalb or Brookhaven?

That's it. I believe I have enough evidence that DeKalb will not be able to do a better job than Brookhaven in those areas. DeKalb is stretched too thin, is too bloated, and has too many conflicts...Brookhaven is my answer for helping our community.

William,
And the math still doesn't work to pull it off so I have no intention of buying into the myth.

Vote your pocketbook,.......VOTE NO!

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00242-america-more-small-town-we-think

Eddie-

Just so I'm clear, you think DeKalb county is in a better financial position to provide us municipal services than Brookhaven would be...why?

That's a serious question. Why would you think DeKalb, with a larger tax digest decrease, worse commercial to residential ratio, and bloated staff/pensions would be in a better position?

(Reality calling...)

Folks-

This is what the NO City movement doesn't want you to think about....

It isn't Yes City vs. No City.

It is either DeKalb or Brookhaven. Who do you trust to make our community better?

It is either DeKalb providing municipal services with the portions of our tax revenue they don't spend else where on the 650,000 other people or in the 260 other square miles of the county or Brookhaven providing them with 100% of tax revenue being spent locally on the 12 square miles we call home.

The rest is just semantics. To me, it is an easy call.

We have watch in horror the results from so call,Fiscally Conservatism,And all the yes votes Bush led policies.The vote right,Vote white ,Good old boys,Since 1965.It is more then time to wake up .Come up with solid Ideas for our future.Some good will come of your effort,In time.Forming new groups to sort out a new city.Its not a one time thing

William,
Why you cannot grasp that most Citizens don't hate or distrust the County is beyond me.
Why you cannot accept that a substantial sector of the Opposed City mudprint do not wish to joint the GA One Party Wrong Wing Nutcase Conservative Slide into Oblivion is disturbing as well.

Eddie Haskill... You can't grasp reality... You're too busy trying to parent through the lies & FUDge... We know your FUDge has a lot of nuts that you've gathered along the way.... keep it all behind the chain link fence Eddie!

neal taylor,Ty to all for so many replies.Mean I hit a home run.Play nice with other,And you will be happy, and well adjusted,Just say no.Quitting is for loser

Phil (still anonymous I see),
Remind everyone what portion of the 'city yes' budget came from Corporate Interests looking to profit from the disaster that would accompany the Opposed City?

The NOCity tory group raised double the money from their DeKalb Democrat bureacracy backers who want Brookhaven to fail for their own reasons (they are in tight with the entrenched county powers).

Dean,
As a Proud Georgia Democrat, I find your post quite silly.

I guess what you can't win at the ballot box, you are comfortable dictating.

Oh really?
Which group went to the state legislature and tried to deny citizens the right to vote on their local government? None other than No City and their primarily-democrat DeKalb status quo 'send us your money' incumbents.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00242-america-more-small-town-we-think

cmrc (anonymous yesser),

You forget which GA State Senator is Chair of the American Legislative Exchange Council Committe on Voter Suppression?
Hint, look close at the 40th Senate District.
But you will get your vote, lose, and I hope, give up.

Or the 4th. Your choice.

Those were well articulated points of view, Chip. Perhaps you might put a morsel of thought into an adult rebuttal, unless you need your nappy-nap-nap.

Another personal attack. This does not reflect well on the NOCity group, but is what we have come to expect.

Most residents realize Brookhaven means better, more local and more fiscally conservative governance and will vote YES on July 31.

Chip,
Now now, you don't want to 'hurt their feelings' do you?

I have been accused of being 'paternalistic' in this discussion.

Therefore, I find it hilarious that I should subjugate myself to the whim of those who didn't do their homework and those who don't live near me in order to make them 'more comfortable'.

Is it ok if we call you Big Daddy? I lost mine in the war.

Eddie... You know good & well that you've been labeled PATERNALISTIC by more than the Patch message boards.... LOL! Some of us know how to do our research!

Have you noticed Eddie calls anyone not disclosing their first, last name an anonymous yesser? He NEVER says that about the anonymous NO'ers!

When someone new to the comment boards provides logical YES perspectives, Eddie demands to know who you are & how you (your biz) will profit from a new city of Brookhaven. He will accuse you of being someone you aren't & accuse you of profiting. He will demand to know what YES board you are on & how much you funded the YES cause. How do I know? He did it to me a few weeks ago before campaign disclosures were due.

I laughed because his simple mind could not get the factual truth that I, an average, law abiding, tax paying citizen with no business venture, could change my NO vote preference to the YES vote.

Initially, Eddie was anonymous to me as a new commenter. I had no idea about him until late last week when another commenter used his last name. And guess who supported the NO campaign with two separate donations of $1,000 each? Eddie E. did. He later claimed that he had nothing to hide.

Well, when he demanded to know who I was, what I gave, etc... I asked him for the same.... He refused to answer, possibly because the NO CITY board wasn't releasing any information. Eddie's actions do demonstrate the paternalistic DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO!

Apparently you don't have enough contact with a broad range of people from Dunwoody, as the optimism today is a shadow of 24 months ago.
As for John's Creek, who cares?

Sir,
I am in awe of your knowledge of Kenneth Arnold. I have been feeling this all along. I recall him saying "It was while I was searching for this crash that I noticed a terrific blue flash pass the nose of my airplane. I noticed that the flash came from a train of very peculiar-looking objects that were rapidly approaching Mt. Rainier at about 107 degrees. This train of objects were 9 in number. I assumed at the time they were a new formation or a new type of jet, though I was baffled by the fact that they did not have any tails. They passed almost directly in front of me, but at a distance of about 23 miles, which is not very great in the air. I judged their wingspan to be at least 100 feet across. Their sighing [sic] did not particularly disturb me at the time, except that I had never seen planes of tha[t] type." Astounding!!! And as you know, I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium.

This really strikes home for me. Brookhaven's U.S. National Laboratory Scientist confirms UFO crash site.

In June 2007 U.S. researcher Ed Gehrman and UK author Philip Mantle travelled to a remote location in the Nogal Canyon area near Socorro , New Mexico . For decades arguments had raged regarding the alleged crash of a UFO in the New Mexico desert.

Gehrman and Mantle were to visit a site well into the canyon that they believed may prove significant into the research of the alleged UFO crash. The site they visited is littered with rocks only burnt on one side and trees burnt at the top, but this was only the beginning. At the end of a dry river bed the rock face and surrounding loose rock was literally covered with a bluish material. This was not part of the rock, instead it was ‘splattered’ all over the rock face and surround loose rocks. The area was extensively photographed and filmed by Gehrman and Mantle and samples of the rock with the bluish material were retained for analysis. This bluish material was later identified as cristobalite.

Are we dealing with an alien life form here?

Martin Gardner, the famous science and mathematics writer for Scientific American, more than once insisted that what Kenneth Arnold saw were weather balloons. I have known ever since he published his article on hexaflexagons that he was a fool, and was hardly in a position to offer any meaningful analysis of the Mt. Rainier sighting of 1947.

Gehrman and Mantle were barking up the wrong Saguaro Cactus. They should have known that cristobalite's distinctive blue coloring is at least 3 shades lighter than authentic UFO materials.

Sheesh!

By the way, I met Philip Mantle once. I was in a lavatory in Bristol in 1997 and he was in the next stall tapping his foot rather insistently. Although we spent a delightful weekend together, after I became familiar with his UFOlogical methodologies, I broke off the relationship immediately.

Once again. Your knowledge on this topic is unparalleled. Perhaps you have seen this:
Thanks to energy-efficient features in the Brookhaven Parks Administration building, Brookhaven received a $83,000 Commercial Efficiency rebate from LIPA last week.
The 12,000-square-foot parks building was opened in May 2011 in the Centereach pool complex and also houses a youth recreation center.
The structure was built with several environment-friendly features such as a geothermal system, window glazing, insulated roof and walls to prevent air leakage, and an under-the-floor air distribution and heating system.
It was the first building to receive a Leadership in Environmental and Energy Design certification, joining a short list of about a dozen government buildings that hold the LEED certification.
Previously, the town received a $56,870 rebate from LIPA for energy savings for the building, which cost $4.9 million to construct.
“I thank LIPA for defraying the costs of the energy-saving Parks Administration building. This is setting an example through its LEED certified Parks building, which is a model for new green construction,” town Supervisor Mark Lesko said in a statement.
“With the assistance of LIPA’s efficiency and renewable programs, the Town will achieve significant savings that can now be reinvested into additional community programs,” LIPA chief operating officer Michael Harvey said in a statement.

If you’re into free concert tickets, be sure you’re at Brookhaven July 24.

The fifth annual Hip Hop for HIV “test for tickets” program is back, and the community and WRFG 89.3 FM have once again partnered to offer free HIV screenings and onsite medical counseling to the public.

Testing will be from 11 a.m.-6 p.m. in the Health Center, Room S072. All who get tested will receive one free ticket to the Hip Hop for HIV concert, set for Aug. 12 from 3-6 p.m. at the DeKalb Convention Center.

Interesting two random references to Brookhaven NY in two different threads. This thread by Carl and the other by Hamburger. Probably just 2 "great" minds thinking alike....

http://www.brookhaven.org/PressRoom/tabid/56/mid/970/newsid970/1447/Town-Receives-83000-Commercial-Efficiency-Program-Rebate-from-LIPA-for-Parks-Administration-Building/dnnprintmode/true/Default.aspx?SkinSrc=[G]Skins%2F_default%2FNo+Skin&ContainerSrc=[G]Containers%2F_default%2FNo+Container

HamBurger
11:22 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Also if it makes you feel better, BY is for Brookhaven, Georgia and BBC is for Brookhaven, NY. Better?

Sorry IWillBrookNoBrookhaven your reference to Brookhaven College went totally over my head!

http://www.brookhavencollege.edu/news/2012/2315.aspx
Free HIV Testing, Concert Tickets

Release Date July 13

If you’re into free concert tickets, be sure you’re at Brookhaven College July 24.

The fifth annual Hip Hop for HIV “test for tickets” program is back, and the college and KBFB 97.9 The Beat have once again partnered to offer free HIV screenings and onsite medical counseling to the public.

Testing will be from 11 a.m.-3 p.m. in the Health Center, Student Services Center, Room S072. All who get tested will receive one free ticket to the Hip Hop for HIV concert, set for Aug. 12 from 3-6 p.m. at the Fort Worth Convention Center.

The Beat’s street team will be at the college during testing, and registration for the fall semester will be in full swing. Applications for admission to the college are available online and in the Student Services Center.

Hip Hop for HIV encourages the Dallas community to get tested at any of the event’s testing sites and to know their HIV status. Testing and tickets are free, but the only way to get a ticket is to get tested.

Brookhaven College is located at 3939 Valley View Lane in Farmers Branch. For more information about the Brookhaven College testing location, contact Jessica Rawlins, Brookhaven College marketing and advertising coordinator, at 972-860-4374.

By the way do your backers in Historic Brookhaven know how many people are sullying their fine name? Pardon me! Would you have any Grey Poupon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmOHeWrr9V4

Lol somebody got sloppy.

Is that burger fan a sock puppet?
Grindhouse inflating its own reviews? The restaurant received a slew of rave-reviews on Wednesday.
Generally sock puppets are a great annoyance.

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term—a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock—originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about himself while pretending to be another person.[1] The term now includes other uses of misleading online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a third party or organization,[2] or to circumvent a suspension or ban from a website. A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym[3] and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as an independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer.

Ms. Joe her, pay attention, Mr. HamBurger has spoken regarding the best hamburger issue:

http://tinyurl.com/ce6rewo

LOL, No one got sloppy, Mr. Eric had a hard time making the connection between two pro-city ballot committees so I just agreed with him. Clearly another informed individual decided to have fun with him. I will let others play the sock puppet game.

Cheerwine and a special hamburger?

OMG, LOL, that makes sooooooo much sense. ha ha.

Those drippings aren't grease, they're sarcasm

Ms. Joe her, it is a pleasure watching you enjoy yourself on the forums today, and an honor to be your opening act. This is for you. If you prefer something non-alcoholic, just pretend it is Cheerwine . . .

http://tinyurl.com/d2l5xpv

Special hamburger to go with that video?

Cool vid, perhaps a tad smug?

Or is pretentious more appropriate?

Smug? Pretentious? Ms. Joe her, that would be you. This gentleman has extreme confidence!

All teasing aside, an exceptionally good piece of video.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Chamblee Annexation http://www.crossroadsnews.com/view/full_story/18223209/article-Brookhaven-city-and-annexations-to-cost-county-lots-of-dough

“They would be in an isolated strip of DeKalb if Brookhaven is formed,” Parent said.

Just like most of the proposed city of Brookhaven?
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214649083494226706333.00049fb9aff1865a252a6

Eric,
You are far to intelligent to resort to 'copy paste'.

My apologies Eddie for cut and paste, just wanted to provide some cites in case someone new stumbles across here so they can see for themselves. And actually there is probably something in the articles that could be used by both sides.

You tell 'em! Discourse or datcourse, you are absolutely right.

Without cannibalizing additional Commercial Property areas, Dunwoody would have to resort to (horrors!) RAISING TAXES!
Such a thing could never occur as the 'dunwoody myth' rests firmly on the 'power of the free market' to do everything better, cheaper and quicker and make people smile along the way.
And as to C4ND, one does wonder who all is hiding behind that secret list.
So much for myths!

Hamburger that assertion about Dunwoody needing tax base is pretty far off the range of reality. You might want to take a look at their financials. http://www.dunwoodyga.gov/Departments/Finance_Administration/Accounting_Reporting.aspx

Dunwoody doesn't need that last portion of the CID, but when the business owners seeking a tax savings come to them and say "hey will you annex us" they would be foolish to say no. Granted I don't think its neighborly, but shoot after watching what DeKalb Government has resorted to in our Cityhood debate, as well as the backdoor and largely undisclosed tax increase DeKalb County did this year, I guess I understand why they won't let a quaint thing like being neighborly get in the way.

I apologize Hamburger but transparency is a big deal for me and this situation DeKalb has orchestrated bothers me.

Oh and if you question any of the things Chris Pike has stated why don't you go to the ample records that Dunwoody, unlike Dekalb provides. http://www.dunwoodyga.gov/Departments/Finance_Administration.aspx

The reality of what he says is literally laid out for all to see.

Interesting that Post would give so much money since I didn't think they have much in the way of plans for new properties. Though they do have a number of existing properties.

Speaking of TPLOST though, It would certainly be the worst of all worlds if TSPLOST passes and Brookhaven fails. The 15% off the top of TSPLOST collections would go to Brookhaven for our neighborhood if the city passes. If the city doesn't get approved the TSPLOST 15% for our area would go to DeKalb. Which means there is a good chance we wouldn't see part of that 15% and/or it would not be spent on the best projects for our area.

Also there is $5 million dollars in TSPLOST for Ashford Dunwoody. Working with DeKalb and GDOT will not be a pleasant experience. Having a City of Brookhaven be the partner with GDOT will make for better input and a better end result.

Though regardless of Brookhaven I'm still voting No on TSPLOST.

I'm thinking of going to the Chamblee Civic center tomorrow to vote between 7 am and 7 pm, though voting is available there on Thursday and Friday.

So when the Opposed City fails you promise to leave the idea dead on the ground?

Does 'wikipedia' have a good definition for 'babble' yet?
If not, you have certainly posted a good example.

For those new to the tussle, Dunwoody has NOT BEEN IN EXISTENCE LONG ENOUGH to effectively confront fiscal realities. They denied their Police Chief the 'huge' request of 6 Police officers over 5 years because, (horrors!) there may have been a small TAX INCREASE necessary.
Apparently, not everyone recalls the initiation of the fiscal disaster in California called 'Proposition 13' which arbitrarily capped property taxes because those at the top were far too important to let their taxes rise as their property values increased. The destruction of a viable infrastructure in the ensuing years is legend.
So you clowns hold tight to the notion you can click your heels together and stop the world.
I won't be holding my breath.

Christopher Pike has long since been know to be part of the menagerie. See attached link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7bubqLV5pI

Mr. Carl, uh nice specimens! And, poor Christopher Pike.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00242-america-more-small-town-we-think

Good post Bill.
I heard that the real underlying plan is going to be the City of North America run by the Honorable Sherwood B. Nice.

Carl, I hate to get off topic, but don't you think that Cathy Lickchurch has a real chance to beat Turner Over in the 32th Annual Flapjacks competition? It was so close last year, but she's ballooned up nicely in the last few months. Of course, she always has the Adult Dairy Cowpie Composition to fall back on. She's won it every year she's entered.

Bill,
Of course missing from this and every other article promoting the Oppose City is what is missing.
I don't see any suggestions of 'shared sacrifice', 'expanded collective effort', 'cooperation', 'allocating best use of limited resources', only varying statements of 'I got mine!'.

I LOVE THAT COMPETITION. There was a time we used to make giant flapjacks and chew out an eyehole and a mouth hole and put them on our heads and run around the yard. Of course this was before the incident on Cortoc 7.

Maybe in 5 years, I'll just drop in to see what condition my condition is in.

cmrc (yet another anonymous yesser),

Give dunwoody time, they will soon be out of options for additional revenue producing properties to cannibalize and they will have to face the (horrors) reality of raising taxes.
They ALREADY HAVE 'prop 13 like' nonsense built into their charter. Reasons would suggest that given the limited likelihood of growth, the strait jacket will tighten.
Then what?

And you get a star for not missing an opportunity to take a pointless sleight at CEO Ellis. I think in 5 years, Dekalb will be fine as I am not stirred up into vapors over the current reality in Dekalb County.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00242-america-more-small-town-we-think

Eddie, once again with the "additional revenue producing properties to cannibalize" ? Dunwoody hasn't "cannibalized" annexed or other wise changed its boundary.

Dunwoody hasn't increased its millage rate

Dunwoody HAS increased its surplus

Dunwoody HAS operated at a surplus every year.

Dunwoody does not need the Perimeter Summit CID area in the Proposed City of Brookhaven - some of those owners have expressed an interest in going into Dunwoody. Dunwoody has said they would be interested but will wait for the Brookhaven vote to happen.

Eric,
Dunwoody hasn't built the myriad of Tropical Paradise Parks they suggested.
In fact, park construction is stalled because of the COST.
For those interested in parks.

Eric,
Cannibalize, as in confiscate Perimeter Mall and environs from the County Tax Digest passing the costs on to the rest of the County.
Confiscating more commercial property would do the same but would prevent the eventual need to (horrors!!!) raise taxes, placing more strain on the rest of the County.
But if the Dunwoody myth is supported, we all owe it to them don't we.

What is that assertion based on Eddie? Dunwoody's council got shot down in trying to pass a bond to supposedly build parks but really do other things and an incumbent council person lost their reelection bid in part because of that. But that just shows how a local officials with more focused roles are easier to track and hold accountable. Other than that there is no halt in Dunwoody Park activity due to cost or other fiscal concerns.

Eric,
I was referencing one of the 'Dunwoody Sales Pitch Selling Points'.
It was too 'expensive' and would have led to (horrors!) a TAX INCREASE.
The philosophy at play in the little future failed city of Dunwoody is one I do not support, so I do not look at their short-term temporary 'success' as reason to jump off the cliff.
But you knew that.

Yes. I am aware of that. She actually spent a short time in my neighborhood in Brittany. At night she could be seen wading around on the shores of Silver Lake. It has to do with the hybrid v the original reptilians. The hybrid is 50/50 reptilian and human. These are the shapeshifters e.g. the British royals. All the thirteen ruling families can do this, most from royalty. The Stewarts, Bruces etc. all the people allowed to go off world are blond blue eyed. The reason is blond, blue eyed are easily controlled by the reptilians. A neg. or AB neg. are the ones they choose. Most Pleiadian info is false, we have to be careful. The govt. uses it as disinformation. I know. It's out there man.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00242-america-more-small-town-we-think

You are quite correct that most info about the Pleiadians is govt disinformation. However, please don't let that fact distract you from the truths already made public, and those I am about to present here for the first time:

1) Pleiadians look different than those visitors that hail from other star clusters. This may seem obvious, but the Clinton and Bush administrations spent hundreds of millions through SAPs (Special Access Programs) trying to convince the American public that "all aliens look alike." In response to the outrage this politically incorrect propaganda inflamed among many bordering countries to the south, Obama quickly changed it to "all aliens look different from us."

2) Pleiadians can't smell. More on this below.

3) Pleiadians hate city governments. For the last several (of our) centuries, this obviously highly advanced culture has prided itself on the ability to covertly abduct and replace city leaders across our world. The odd thing is, the ones they replace them with are exactly the same as the originals. While the motive for this peculiar behavior is one of the least understood by the US government, this is not to say that our government in any way disputes the Pleiadians' right to do so.

4) All Pleiadians are exactly the same age, which is, by most estimates, approximately 14 billion years old. That's right! They are the same age as our universe! As you take a few minutes to ponder how this could be possible, remember that they can't smell. Now are you getting it?

Just a note for those reading:

Brookhaven will likely significantly increase the number of police patrolling our area.

The NOCity tory movement is comprised of DeKalb Democrat bureacracy backers who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo (which raised our property taxes by 26% just last year).

Dean,
Just a note for those reading:

Brookhaven will likely significantly decrease the number of police patrolling our area.

The BrookhavenYes tory movement is comprised of Johns Creek City Attorney and Asst City Atty bureacracy backers who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo of ripping off gullible cityhood proponents. (which aim to raise our property taxes 1.66 mills).

"Likely?" "Significantly?" Glad to hear someone is so firm in their omniscience.

Most injuries from guns are not fatal, so please do not fear cityhood!

The north precinct commander stated they run at minimum 6 officers but usually 8 to 10 on each of their 3 shifts plus their anti-robbery squad. The proponents of the city have floated the idea of two 12 hour shifts of 7 officers. So for the 24 hour period the county puts out more than the proposed city and with many more to call upon if needed. When the kid shot himself last spring at the elementary school the county brought in two dozen officers within 30 minutes and the whole situation was apparently handled and back page news within 2 hours. The advantages to NOT downgrading our police services seem clear to me. And here’s another good reason.
http://dunwoodynorth.blogspot.com/2007/11/missing-boy-has-been-found.html

DeKalb's 0.5 Officers Per 1,000 Brookhaven Residents

If you want more police protection, a YES vote for the City of Brookhaven on July 31 will help make it happen.

DeKalb County and its coordinated “No City” Campaign are trying to convince you that “DeKalb has 1.7 officers per 1,000 residents. For Brookhaven this would mean a police force of 83 officers.” This is direct quote from their campaign materials.

This is a false statement. DeKalb has nowhere near 83 officers, and nowhere near 1.7 officers per 1,000 residents, allocated to our area.

Last week, we showed you that DeKalb County inflates their actual police numbers (click for article). Specifically, we published watch sheets (click for PDF), or officer schedules, from the North Precinct.

The watch sheets reveal that the 49,000 residents of the proposed City of Brookhaven have had no more than 3 to 5 officers patrolling our area and answering 911 calls on many occasions.

The proposed City of Brookhaven is expected to increase the number of police patrols to a minimum of 8 to 9.

Participants in a DeKalb County program known as the Citizens’ Police Academy were kind enough to pass along to us via e-mail the following information:

“Two weeks ago, a Captain from the North Precinct came to speak to us. According to the Captain, the North Precinct currently has only 60 sworn officers to patrol the 29 square miles which comprise North Precinct.”

Remember that the proposed City of Brookhaven includes approximately 49,000 residents and 12 square miles.

To get to the number of DeKalb officers currently allocated to Brookhaven, let’s do the math on the information furnished by the Captain: 60 North Precinct officers divided by 29 square miles in the North Precinct multiplied by the 12 square miles in Brookhaven equals…

ONLY 25 DeKalb County police officers allocated to Brookhaven.

You may not be aware that Major Kevin Ellison, the commanding officer of the North Precinct, is presently running for Sheriff of Dawson County. Major Ellison has posted some information on his campaign website that verifies the calculation we just made:

“In 2010, Chief Bill O’Brien appointed Kevin to the rank of Major and assigned him to command the North Precinct. This command consisted of 100 sworn officers and civilian personnel, a population of over 200,000, and a budget of 10 million dollars.”

Click here to see Major Ellison’s website. Click here to see a PDF in case the website is altered.

Here’s the math on the information from Major Ellison: 100 North Precinct officers (perhaps this is generous, because the quote also mentions “civilian personnel”) divided by 200,000 people in the North Precinct multiplied by the 49,000 people in Brookhaven equals…

Again, ONLY 25 DeKalb County police officers allocated to Brookhaven.

At 25 officers, DeKalb County allocates only 0.5 officers per 1,000 residents to Brookhaven. This fact, revealed in the statements of two leaders of the North Precinct, is further solidified by the watch sheets we showed you. It’s no wonder there are 3 to 5 patrols at times!

The Brookhaven feasibility study performed by the Carl Vinson Institute of Government at the University of Georgia mentions 53 officers for the proposed city. This is not the final number of officers, as your locally elected city council will decide the actual number of officers.

However, it’s clear the Brookhaven allocation of 1.1 officers per 1,000 residents would be an improvement over the number of officers that DeKalb County is currently providing us.

1.1 officers per 1,000 residents will be an improvement over DeKalb’s 0.5 per 1,000, but only with your YES vote on July 31.

That's right! A cop in every woodpile!

Vote YES!

Dean (semi-anonymous yesser),
NOTHING supports your lengthy, bogus analysis of pretend-police strength in the Opposed City.
At the same time, I don't know where you pulled your current Police coverage numbers from but they do not coordinate with anything I have read, the daily DCPD availability I have experienced for decades or the Improved Coverage I expect when the Opposed City loses and the North Precinct HQ is moved to PDK.

Why do you guys make stuff up and expect it to stick?

But Dean what about the 24 cops they sent to find the boy who shot himself in the butt a couple months ago? Oh that's right we could use the inter city swat team, not that it would be needed for this.

Seriously though, the Yes folks know full well the North Precinct covers a much larger area. The fact they continue to still represent North Precinct staffing as coverage for DeKalb is telling.

Thanks for posting the analysis again.

Mr. Dean, the watch sheets you speak of were manipulated by Brookhaven Yes for their own purposes. Clearly you missed the rebuttal from a North Precinct source that pointed out the flaw in your mailer. Repeating information that is not factual to folks that are paying attention does not help your cause.

Plus, you are aware that Chief Grogan in Dunwoody would love to have his 2017 budget request in 2012, but understands that there is no budget for his immediate needs.

Yes, Dunwoody is making it, but it is a shell game and the magic of numbers. It is not as rosy as you would have us believe.

By the way, congratulations on attempting an intelligent post for a change.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

HamBurger, Dean may not be able to find his butt with both frontal lobes, but it is extremely rude to question someone's intelligence in a public forum. And unless you invite all of us to a backyard cookout, I will never forgive you for being so cruel as to make fun of the mentally challenged.

Oh, that's ok. I'm over it now!

Vote YES!

Dean, did you cut and paste from that officer's blog? A number of the posters there id themselves as officers for the precinct seem to refute the analysis. One even asked why only 4 watch sheets were shown when several hundred were obtained from an open records request. The watch sheet organization model is used by many industries. My example, waiter 1 is assigned section"A" and waiter 2 is assigned section"B". Waiter 1 is also expected to assist with service in section "B". There is no wall separating them. Also on the watch sheets, the day sheet for Oct 2 has 4 officers circled but not the 2 officers in the adjoining territory (an increase of 2) and in the right hand column it showed 2 on vac/hol and 2 on sickdays. Would those officers have raised the personnel working to 10? And for the watch sheet next to it titled "morning", there are 4 officers circled, 2 listed in the adjoining territory and then 4 more listed under "special" and 3 in the right hand column for sick/vac. My count gives them 10 and under perfect conditions 13. The officers listed as 151 and 152 I did not count as I understand they are assigned to the Pleasantdale Rd area. On another rebuttal post on the blog it broke down the number of personnel assigned to the precinct as 96. The proposed city is to have 8 or 9, says who? The meeting in May the number was 7. So why is the number now 8 or 9? I believe your analysis of the police is wrong and I believe downgrading police service is dangerous; NO thanks.

Stan,
Well good for Sandy Springs and Dunwoody.
I don't live there, and I don't want to so whatever they want to do is fine for them.
Me, I don't want any part of their imaginary utopia, I live in the real world.

Vote WISE, VOTE NO!

This certainly is about power. And I want more of it so I can mow the grass quicker. And you people without power, well, you're just going to have to weed the beds by hand.

Vote YES!

This is like any election, some people win and some don't. After the election we are all governed by those that garnered more votes and we should all support the wisdom of the majority. We'll know next week whether the Patch closes up shop or spends the next three months publishing blog posts about the Brookhaven mayoral and council races.
I'm betting on the Patch being very busy with the municipal elections.

A VOTE FOR STAN* - IS A VOTE FOR MAN!

*In no way should any of the members of Brookhaven Yes feel obligated to announce their true intentions or candidacy prior to the creation of their city, nor should they feel that failure to do so, will result in a loss of their credibility as citizen advocates and make them look like, well for lack of a better term, politicians.

VOTE WISEST!! VOTE YES!!!

Ms. Cobb, you must have polled only the people fooled by your NOCity DeKalb Democrat bureaucracy backers.

Real Brookhaven voters are not fooled by the personal attacks and FUD, as you yourself proclaimed, you practice "politics 101"

Mr. Dean, your purposeful, continued confusion of two people that you think is one and the same is making one of them extremely uncomfortable. And, it is not me. I thought I had politely nipped this in the bud this past weekend, but evidently you have a very slow mind. Or, as others have suggested, you must have a slow mind and delight in harassing women that do not even post on this forum?

Delete your post and re-post it directed to Mr. HamBurger and all is OK. I can take anything you can dish out. However, if I check back in a couple of hours and see Ms. Cobb’s name still in your post, this issue will be addressed.

Waiting for a very slow man to get his mind right . . .

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Dean
7:22 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Ms. Cobb, you must have polled only the people fooled by your NOCity DeKalb Democrat bureaucracy backers.

Real Brookhaven voters are not fooled by the personal attacks and FUD, as you yourself proclaimed, you practice "politics 101"

Dean,

I FEAR that there is even a remote possibility that you and your ilk might have anything whatsoever to say about my life and how I choose to live it.

I'm UNCERTAIN that you have the intelligence to make even the simplest, correct decisions when it comes to the future of your own community.

And I DOUBT that you have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot.

Vote YES!

HamBurger, I'm sorry to say that the lack of a signature reference to meat, cheer wine, or mustard leads me to believe that you are losing touch with reality and that you can no longer be trusted.

Vote YES!

Mr. HamBurger, excuse me for jumping in here, but one way to nip it in the bud would be for you to identify who you are.

Frankly I'm kind of glad you don't because while I disagree with many things you say you do seem to have knowledge and providing your real identity could give you credibility, which wouldn't be good for my cause to see the city succeed.

Interestingly I think I saw where you posted you live on the north side of the proposed city, though that may have just been a calculated misstatement to try to win points.

I mean you could always use one of your other id's like cranium to post anonymously if you revealed who Hamburger is. ;

Due to a contractual obligation with BrookhavenYes, I can neither confirm or deny the existence of said "Brookhaven" or sightings of a "Brookhaven" on or about the area of or around said Brookhaven. Nor, can I speak to any item(s) concerning the imaginary or the aforementioned city of "Brookhaven.*"

*Items subject to change without notice.

However, should the referendum pass on July 31st. I will be running for mayor.

Sorry Eric, I am under a strict and binding contractual obligation with BrookhavenYes, so I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of your "identity".

However, for any of you out there that have been arrested for DUI or any other criminal offense, you’ve come to the right place. I specialize in some of the most complex areas of criminal defense including DUI defense, homicide by vehicle, and every kind of traffic offense, particularly speeding. Whether you are facing felony or misdemeanor charges, a probation revocation or are under threat of indictment, I can handle it all. Only a Bigfoot with the knowledge of the best defenses to fit your case facts and embarrassing situation can adequately represent you in court. Considering the harsh penalties and lifelong consequences of a DUI conviction, you owe it to yourself to schedule your FREE appointment to see what I can do to help you overcome this "roadblock" to your future.

Mr. Eric, I only post as Mr. HamBurger, you know that. My identity has nothing to do with the unwarranted harassment of another by Mr. Dean or others.

By the way, there is a woman (I think she is Hispanic) not too far from you that would love to trim your banana plants, she uses the leaves in some of her cooking as wraps.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

creepy. So anyway the discussion of Brookhaven NY by you and cranium were just a coincidence? Ok. You know if you post anonymously you shouldn't really get offended. Think about it. You are anonymous.

Real poll- Yes 57% - No 43%

That's not fair! You can't ban Bigfoot (obvious pseudonym) twice unless the rest of us are banned twice, also!

Vote YES!

Oh, please.

The Patch will be cleaned up as soon as the vote is decided. One side will delete their comments and the other will leave them for posterity. I hereby declare August 1st 2012, all day, as the official "Clean up your local Patch day."

You can clean up your local Patch in private or in person. No photos please.

Heh.

Bill, you've just made the list.

NON,
I'm in the process of having you deleted at this very moment.

Well said, Bill. But what about those of us with no patch? A particularly unkempt "ex-friend with benefits" inspired me to shave my whole body on a regular basis.

"Hairlessness is next to Godliness."

Non,
You've been deleted.

Oh, I forgot . . . Vote Y

****** user deleted ******

As far as non-furry bipeds go. Tough call. Aliens or a more evolved human.

Definitely a tough call.

If peeps were to be deleted, they would have been yanked a long time ago. Some were yanked recently, but that was because of an uprising sent them scurrying for fresh identities.

We do hope that Dr. Jeff will determine what is wrong with not one of 60 before it goes poof.

Please allow enough time to figure that one out.

Thank you, Georgia Patch! I was beginning to think this was not a moderated forum. I agree that it's been getting completely out of hand. I know there is much to keep track of, here, but I implore you to stay vigilant come down on the abuses with a heavy hand!

And as a test of your resolve, let me add . . . YANK THIS!

Who saw Lewis Black on the Daily Show tonight do a funny job of skewering the Mitt and folks for totally taking the President's comment out of context and running with it on an ad. He ribbed both sides. But its amazing, it makes our discussions look down right transparent and honest.

No honey, I'm drool.

Ms. Carol, Dunwoody is living within the budget they have. That does not mean they do not have needs well beyond their current income. Hence, the reason for their interest in the Lake Hearn/Perimeter Summit property and not any inside the perimeter residential property.

Another voice:

“While it is inevitable that Dunwoody will one day have its own Fire department, now is not the time. We still need to build our police force up and expand our court system.
In addition, there is still a lot of work to be done on our roads and places like Brook Run Park need some upgrading as well.

Lastly, until this current city council can operate in a professional fashion and put all of this "leak" business behind them (or we vote in a new council), I don`t think they should make any decisions that involve significant amounts of money.”

Some reading for you:

Dunwoody police ‘model,’ budget, should not be replicated
http://tinyurl.com/cchve38

Dunwoody police chief says more officers are needed
http://tinyurl.com/cfk9w63

Dunwoody Police Department – Staffing Recommendations
http://tinyurl.com/bq4fg3m

TOD – Brookhaven Police Department
http://tinyurl.com/72esjog

“Take a few moments and read the recommendations for yourself. Then ponder what it really means in the context of Brookhaven.”
http://tinyurl.com/7rjpykb

Man! No food more than 24 hours old don’t work here! We cook’em fresh per order, you know special hamburgers!

Letters to the editor by the leader of the NOCity DeKalb Democrat bureacracy backers aren't viable, Ms. Cobb.

Carol,
Let's not let reality interfere, as we all know Dunwoody is the center of efficiency and fiscal harmony of the universe, I hear that money just grows from the rented plants in the rented city hall tended by the rented 'employees'.
If we could all be like Dunwoody as the old country song says 'drinkin' that free bubble-up and eatin' that rainbow stew'!

But here in the real world services cost and governments must (horrors!) collect taxes to pay for them, unless they can steal property from across the line and provide inadequate services for artificially low taxes.