Even franchised blogpapers depend on advertising.

Likewise I cannot vote and I support cityhood. Guess certain foundations and their fundings can skew democracy!

"Crookhaven" now that is funny! how many arrest hae their been of Deadkab leaders and workers! TOO MANY TO COUNT: and high levels too! Even deadly shootings!

Deadkab is the most corrupt government in GA! Keep sednming your money south of I-20!

What about NO Money form improvemtns ever from DEADkab?

Brookhaven will not become a city if we embrace the "anything but DeKalb" mentality. This isn't that other recently formed Dekalb City. You guys need to lay off the tired South DeKalb bashing.

The fact is running counties are a type of governance system more suited for rural areas not urban areas. We will still be in DeKalb. We can help DeKalb better right size itself by filling in the inefficient islands or peninsulas of unincorporated areas left by the Dunwoody incorporation and Chamblee Annexation. And I think our area suffers from a lack of identity so "branding" as they say will actually increase property values which will increase revenues for DeKalb. Granted due to the property assessment freeze it will only increase it when a house is sold or for new construction.

Professor - you're comments make you look like a dumb ass,

The BIG money developers are behind the NO movement. His name is Chuck Konas, he is a regional VP for post apartments. Post greatly benefits from DeKalb's liberal approach to allowing them to develop apartments everywhere. Did you know Dunwoody was down to just about 53% residential single-family housing by the time they incorporated?

Peachtree Corners numbers are higher than CVI because elected officials went well above what is needed AND there's no tax cap like in the city of Brookhaven.

Posted by Ms. Ali Stinson with the Vinson article:

"Peachtree Corners taxes are capped as well. The elected officials are deciding to go right up to that cap despite promises made during the city hood campaign that the full millage would not be required. To paraphrase our mayor - the feasibility study was just to prove that the city was feasible so the legislature to put it on the ballot; it is not a budget. All I am saying is you all would be better served focusing on the Charter. That document is what will allow the politicians who ultimately run the city to tax and spend. Vote based on how you feel about the constraints and allowances there. The feasibility study is just a theory. The Charter will determine your reality."

Ms; Annie, is Post building in Atlanta? Do they have plans to build in Atlanta in the near future? How about DeKalb?

Special haamburger?

Annie G - Your Chuck Konas charge is BS. He's a resident. Just because his job is with Post doesn't mean its some plot by apartment developers. And besides Apartments are not in and of themselves a problem - I don't have any problem with the Town Sembler apartments (though I have a problem with the tax abatement).

Now perhaps if someone lived outside the area maybe you could question their motives if they had an employer with potential zoning interests. Or someone with an employer with a pending interest such as Sembler who apparently will have to renegotiate their tax abatement agreement with a new city (granted I imagine the new city would have to offer the same deal they are getting?)

Hamburger yes Peachtree Corners had a tax cap, problem is it generated revenues way above the needed expenses so apparently the folks ran up to the ceiling as fast as they could. But that's also a starting proposal, we still don't know what the ending budget will be do we?

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-council-members-eye-zoning-changes-to-stop-projects-in-near-downtown-neighborhoods/

Over abundance of Apartments is not a good long term development ideal. short term they are making money. Long term they do not build communities; just long term tempoary transient shelters...As to Mr. Konas agenda no one really knows...but the Commissioners do depend on Devleopers for their contributions (IE: Gwinett County & Every other County Commission in GA).

The power of zoning, land use, police force and code enforcment is really what this "fight" is all about! Anyone who says otherwise....it is revenue nuetral for the residents not so much for the other unincorporate areas or the Dekalb Commission would not be fighting it so much.

I do not care where corruption is: the entire School Board & the Dekalb Commisison need to get their acts straight and learn to manage money and ablacne budgets...this recession did not come out of the blue....

Right now there is demand for apartments as that is the one part of the real estate market with declining vacancy rates or demand increasing faster than supply. https://www.reisreports.com/Markets/Georgia/Atlanta/Apartment/

But I certainly agree you don't want an overabundance.

And as to lacking community building powers or being temporary I think that can be a problem though not necessarily one. And its not necessarily the notion of it being an apartment but the way its built. Garden style apartments tend to be generic. The type of apartments at Town Sembler on the other hand with retail built in and a community tend to be more stable because they are in a community with amenities and not merely just one of many fungible products. Even the post garden style apartment next to the Brookhaven MARTA station with its access to those restaurants has held up better despite being a typical garden apartment because its access is not fungible.

And as has been discussed elsewhere the Apartments along Buford highway I think are not a problem. There could be more more work to control crime and better pedestrian facilities would do wonders for the corridor, but seeing how this is the only corridor with a viable private transit service and MARTA its a pretty amazing hub of economic and social activity.

Like i said if you haven't gone to Plaza Fiesta on a Sunday yet do it soon.

There is, this is not anything against the people that live along the mass of apartment complexes along buford highway. It's not there fault the whole strip was zoned for aprtments and commercial. But over a mile + of apartment complexes back to back to back, does not promote or create a community, any way you slice it, Sorry!

Many poeople live there because it is close to the city/jobs/marta & affordable. That said, in the long term, mixed use communities inclusive of all income levels would generate a better long term land use, then just satsifying the current market trend....

Money should not be the primary focus for long term urban planning...generating healthy, safe, viable, and sustainable communities should be!

Peactree Corners = Dying Suburb Exurb (SAD BUT TRUE)!

http://billhicksisdead.blogspot.com/2012/04/exurbs-are-slowly-dying.html

http://aisforatlanta.com/2011/06/atlantas-real-estate-ring-of-death/

Deadkab?

Ethcial? NO
Responsive? NO
Fiscally Prundent? NO
Run by South DEADkab? YES
Corrupt? YES
Double Digit Tax Increases & Reduced Services? YES

Here is a link to the Peachtree Corners CVI study from the peachtreecornersyes.com website----which poses a striking resemblance to the brookhavenyes.com website. Something about copying is a sincere form a flattery. Heh.

http://www.peachtreecornersyes.com/download/PeachtreeCorners_FiscalAnalysis.pdf

Here is a link to the proposed budget of Peachtere Corners: IMO it is only three times more than the CVI predicted, they have 500K of extra money within the budget as a rainy day fund.

http://peachtreecorners.patch.com/articles/what-is-the-proposed-budget-for-peachtree-corners

Excellent and fair post.

Thanks has anyone commented on the reasons for that? I see that some are saying the initial budget figures proposed are coming maybe high. But its as if the CVI was doing salaries based on population. Also perhaps its because the salaries and expenses being proposed by Peachtree Corners is way to high. I mean all they are proposing to provide are Zoning, Building Code and Sanitation? That seems like a hard thing to justify a highly paid city manager and council for.

For instance CVI has over 400,000 budgeted for Brookhaven's City Manager and only budgeted 126,000 for Peachtree Corners (PC). City Council is $215,000 for Brookhaven vs 33,000 for PC.

I understand the point that the costs estimated by CVI appear to be far under the proposed budget but this does appear to be a bit of apples and oranges. I mean if a city government is little more than a social club, which PC with its limited services seems to be I agree it is hard to justify the basic administrative costs of running a city government.

Eric, what is it that these bar owners fear, if they are conducting legal business?

Dunwoody moved the last pour or closing time to 2 A.M. from the current 4 A.M. The don't have as many clubs so it didn't create as big an issue. But on Buford Highway and near the Brookhaven MARTA station a lot of the places don't fill up until midnight so it cuts their revenues dramatically.

Bill - who I may point out does not live in the new city limits and therefore has way too much time on his hands...

What about Dunwoody vs. CVI estimates? Or are you just throwing out Peachtree Corners because it fits your spurious argument. The fact of the matter is Peachtree Corners decided after the inputs were made into the CVI study to raise the amount and level of services. That is why the numbers are different. Comparing of apples and oranges. But then again - its modus operandi for the anti city folks - stretch facts and downright lie when you need to.

City Yes, Bill was providing the links to me after I requested them. it was the Professor that was making statements about them. Which is why I asked.

I also don't agree with your conclusion that those who live outside the proposed limits don't have a dog in the fight.

They do, though I think the fact the main criticism seems to be that there won't be enough money for Brookhaven or that Brookhaven's taxes will be higher does say that the proposed city of Brookhaven is taking a relatively fair share of the tax base.

Actually if not for the massive 26% county tax hike the City of Brookhaven maynot have been feasible.

City Yes,

You are correct, I don't live within the boundaries of this proposed city.

I think Peachtree Corners are still going with their three services as provided in their charter. A "amount and level of services" altered their budget? Really? Come on! Zoning, Code enforcement, and Trash collection. If they decline the amount and level of services any further, they would not have a need to for ma city in the first place.

As far as Dunwoody and their CVI study goes: Dunwoody has a higher percentage of commercial properties and higher land value. DeKalb lost the most revenue with Dunwoody forming. That is a fact among many. Their finances are better by default. Brookhaven is not an accurate comparable to Dunwoody and that does have people concerned.

Do you even know what spurious means? The basic definition is false or fake.

The claims made by the promoters of this new city could be called something similar---Let's make it basic:

The claims of the new city promoters are: unproven, and should be taken with a grain of salt because the city does not exist, those running the city and sit on the city council do not exist, a budget does not exist, income does not exist, and facts about the new city do not exist.

Until they are proven, the claims by those in support of the new city are quite simply unfulfilled promises by people that have already stated that they will have no part in running the city other than a public vote.

Bill Lowe your claims of spurious-ness is a what is a LIE!

Why is every Dekalb Southern Legislature/Commissioner SO SO against this? Becuase Brookhaven will take alot of revune that they then they can use how they want! Efficiently and effectively. 50K+ is not some small city. Expensvie homes bring in much more tax reveune than lower income ones! AKA: Milton, GA
The money will be in Brookhaven.

Now how the future leaders use it - true, that is unknown. Ms. Imlay said Sandy Springs surplus was being fought over. WELL GUESS WHAT: at least they have a surplus of money to spend!

The only reason Ellis is silent sort of is that he wants to be re-elected and needs any vote he can get!

Bill you are correct, the city of Dunwoody certainly got the most lucrative mix of commercial to residential of any city. Which is why their taxes are so low.

I do think think expenses incurred by Dunwoody do offer a valuable road map for Brookhaven's since we are dealing with similarly sized cities in the same county, heck in the same area.

Though as to this level of service issue I would be interested to hear more, though hopefully we can refrain from the unnecessary name calling.

The Vinson study disclaimer on page two of the Vinson study:

“Estimates given in this report are based on tax levies and service levels for a city not
yet created; and, thus, they should not be viewed as certainties. While it is our hope that
this report assists with the public consideration of a potential municipal incorporation, it
should not be construed to constitute a position either for or against the establishment of a
City of Brookhaven by the Carl Vinson Institute of Government (CVIOG).”

The Vinson study does not really mean anything and is not even mentioned in HB 636. Gotta insulate HB 636 from the flawed Vinson study!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

"The only reason Ellis is silent sort of is that he wants to be re-elected and needs any vote he can get!" ---no one of 60

"The only reason"? How "spurious" of you!

Once the challenge had been posted, for public office holders to, as they are obligated, "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States," by first treating and resolving the fact of the Mexican Government being (locally) provided and having US voter registration forms for US elections and referendums, and thus invalidating them, including the City of Brookhaven referendum, only one office holder has since posted on the issue (and, in that case, only once while announcing since her intention not to again run for public office).

For any public office holder to post since on any issue other than the MxGov having U.S. voter registration forms would---even by default---be paramount to defending the MxGov being provided and having our voter registration forms.

Thus their silence.

Of, if not, let them post now!

Similarly, and simultaneously, a certain public office holder has not posted since being challenged also for not shunning and instead embracing---indeed defending ("I am a citizen too")---such sheer potential for conflict of interest as being a member of the special interest group, Brookhaven Yes Committee, while also the (in part) district's State Congressman.

not, you think that is bad? Visit one of the new cities or Roswell. They are in full blown fundraising mode. Makes up the budget shortfalls don’t ya know . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

City of Atlanta is 2:30 but they don't really seem to enforce it as many clubs are still pouring at 3. Not a great way to do things.

"These people are the ones leadeing this fight acting very self-righteous when they only care about money." ---not one of 60

"A Dekalb property of mine did go down 80K in values." ---not one in 60

Eric,
I have always appreciated your insight which typically comes from a different direction than mine. I have always found it prudent to test my thoughts or opinions with people who have different interests or divergent philosophies. Have you considered volunteering for one of the committees that Brookhaven Yes has set up to help lay some of the groundwork should incorporation pass? You don't have to be a definite yes city to contribute your talents.

Thanks Max, yea I probably need to get involved. Its been a time issue for me. I said elsewhere I picked up a yes sign at the meeting held at the Holiday Inn but haven't put it out yet because I'm going by the political sign ordinance rules and still do have some concerns about how the city would impact businesses and people living in the apartments on Buford Highway. Though that doesn't seem to be the concern of most opponents which is interesting because from a financial and level of services point of view the City of Brookhaven seems like a no brainer yes.

Overall i'm leaning yes. Some of the pro city posters hear give me pause, but who knows they could be working for the anti city group as far as I know. Plus that mailout by the no city group I thought played a little fast and loose with the numbers, though isn't that true with all political mailouts.

Can I be a definite NO and participate in the planning of the City?

I recall Eric and I in a Senate Gov't Affairs meeting RE:Dunwoody, with Sen. Wiles officiating.

Both Eric and I were opposing Dunwoody. I cannot speak to why Eric point of view has changed, but know my own mind.

I support Dunwoody because it works. Brookhaven should work well, too.

As to 'wiping out one section of limited affordable housing,' that is an opinion I do not share. The Park Bond was voted down, some bought into the 'wiping out' argument, it did not resonate with me.

The area in question could be redeveloped into code compliant apartments, with the same residents, for all I care. As it stands, we have 30+ year old fire traps, filled with some lovely folks, criminals, and everything in between.

Tempo 2000, Hallmark, all the same. Dekalb ALLOWED that to happen, people.

Mr. Max, let’s talk about those forty year old fire traps next to me in Hampton Hall and the Murphy Candler area. Just what are we going to do about those old firetraps? They make me feel very unsafe. I think we need to have a house by house inspection by a certified inspector like DeKalb County requires apartment owners to perform annually at their own expense for their properties. This way, I will feel much, more safe knowing these folks are in compliance and up to code.

No one wants a HOA that is out of compliance!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

A Dekalb property of mine did go down 80K in values. At least the new state law is working

I would suggest using the site properly.

Otherwise, it would seem you are predicting the future for the Opposed City.

Sampled some property values in the propsed Brookhaven from the county web site: MC, DV, S-Lake, Brittany, NC Heights, WNC, Cambridge, Hampton Hall & Byrnwyck. Only 2 of the 12 saw an increase in their total value from 2011 to 2012.
BTW there is an excellent article inthe Tucker Patch from June 2, 2012 by Walter Holtz. He gives a good take on home values and appeals.

@HamBurg

You twist like a pro, a credit to pol operatives. Keep DeKalb the way it is because it works so well, right?

Only a professional lobbyist works as hard as you do, because they are being PAID.

Mr. Max, I cannot afford a new city. Open your eyes, read the Vinson study and HB 636 and you will realize you cannot afford this new city as well.

Man! Those thin sliced dills are the dilliest!

Nice try, J. Max Davis. Note the number of votes on this poll and you will see what a powerhouse of media exposure the Patch actually is.

You ready for another special hamburger?

Can I be a definite NO and participate in the planning of the City?

Sorry Mr. NoCityEver, whether Brookhaven is a city or not, Brookhaven has been and will continue to be considered a much larger area than just the "historic area". City fight aside, It is already becoming a strong brand and people in the greater Atlanta area do not view Brookhaven as only being Capital City Country Club and it's surroundings. Eventually "public school kids" and those that may have not "achieved a certain status" may be walking through your neighborhood. Be afraid, be very afraid.

My, my. Blatant elitism on display. I admire your transparency. Taking your position to the obvious conclusion, there never would be ANY new city because they necessarily take in neighborhoods that were never known as what the new city is named. Throughout Dunwoody now, there were neighborhoods that never would have defined themselves as being in "Dunwoody" You have to name a city something. Would you prefer Ashford--just so you can keep "your" precious name "Brookhaven" separate?

I live on Osborne Road. Does that mean any new city I fall in to must say Osborne? I am not in historic Brookhaven. But I am not in Lynwood Park. There must be some name that acts as the Umbrella name of sorts.

You have your stone pillars up saying Historic Brookhaven to communicate that exclusivity you have earned. But,really now, the "let them eat cake" posture is a little off putting.

Please pass the Grey Poupon, James.

Plus, I don't want folks from the Murphy Candler part of town associated with the name Brookhaven...

Can I be a definite NO and participate in the planning of the City?

Carl -

Why not? I think the goal is to develop a city that a majority can support and will believe in. So, even if you are a naysayer, maybe you can provide some input that will either a) make you feel better about the city if it does pass, or b) make your comfortable enough to vote yes. Hop on board! The only thing it costs is your time.

Allow me to rephrase then my friend:
J MAX PLEASE ANSWER.
Can I be a definite NO and participate in the planning of the City?

Carl I'm just curious, since I'm not in a position to say and I don't know the answer to your question. But I note you've posted it several times. Are you interested in trying to make the proposed city better if it passes (even though you don't want it to pass) or are you just trying to be disruptive?

I think the answer to that question should answer your question.

Eric,
I didn't ask you. Please wait your turn sir.
Thanks.

No problem Mr. Childers though I think you've just answered both our questions.

Mr. Carl, has the Brookhaven Yes crowd formally stated when and where there will be city planning meetings? Or, do you have to know the secret handshake?

If Mr. J. Max Davis does give you the courtesy of an answer, and he does not use his real name, what pseudonym will he use?

Hold on . . . Wait before you thin slice those sweet onions, I want to savor their earthy fresh from the ground aroma . . .

Mr. Eric, for someone with a flaw or three, looks like you would be a little more respectful of someone asking legitimate questions . . . Or, is this concept of meetings for the formation of the new city initally closed as its introduction was to everyone not exclusive to the Harts Mill, Murphy Candler, Hampton Hall, Byrnwyck, and other north DeKalb areas?

Sorry, we only have yellow mustard . . .

Mr. Hamburger I hope you are just attempting to be humorous. Frankly I thought Mr. Childers question was answered. And was disappointed with Mr. Childers' response to me, but I thought I was respectful to him. Now you on the other hand, an anonymous poster going under a moniker of meat from the cow family that may or may not contain pink slime.

Seriously though is that a problematic question to answer? If someone is definitely anti city are they wanting to participate to make the city bearable or better should it pass or are they just wanting to disrupt the meetings or plant poison pills? Because if its the first or something like it I agree they should go to the website and sign up. If its the latter I would hope they would have the decency to do that on their own time.

So Mr. Hamburger if you'd please explain what is objectionable about that opinion please let me know.

By the way here is the link for signing up to participate - I assume the box
"Helping plan the setup of our new city" is the applicable one since donating or getting a sign probably isn't of interest. http://www.brookhavenyes.org//contact.php

Yes, I am just a citizen wanting to be involved in any government that is supposed to be representing me. Much like I have been involved with fighting for what I believe in at the county, state and federal levels. I would like to know is can I as a definite No city hood guy be involved in the city hood planning process - or is just for folks who agree with the Yes leader. If I am told yes, I would be welcome as I may indeed have some good ideas. There are many like me who want to get involved in the planning process as well. They are all No people. Can we be involved?

I am afraid this is about to get nasty. I'll just ask Mike Jacobs again. Anyone know where he is?

Mr. Childers thank you for your response. I certainly hope they would, have you tried submitting the question via the website? I say that because I wonder if they are still reading all these posts. Anyway, I'm going to submit my name, I haven't done it yet, but would be more than happy to let you know what I hear.

By the way why do people think its J. Max's sole decision? Because he is president of Brookhaven Yes? I mean while I have a different political outlook on things than Max I think he's a good person.

Mr. Eric, waking up one morning only to find out you have some politician trying to make you part of his city is not very funny. There were conversations about a new city long before they were shared with folks that were ultimately to include in his new city. Folks do not like being thought of as an afterthought. What do Rep. Jacobs, C$ND, Brookhaven Yes have to hide?

Instead of some link on the BY website for me to fill out for them to contact me, how about a general meeting to discuss the plans for new city development and how about letting us know just who they plan to run for the various elected offices? Make an announcement, set a time and place, and let’s get together and talk about this new city.

Quite frankly, there are a lot of folks out here that feel like mushrooms in a cold dark cellar being fed a bunch of horse manure and we would like for someone to open the cellar door and share a special hamburger with us. Sabe? Otherwise suggests something to hide.

By the way, you know pink slime is not a cut of grass fed beef . . . Silly attorney . . . You know, I hear they actually serve that stuff on Memorial Drive . . .

Please pass that special hamburger with thin sliced onions and pickles and yellow mustard!

Whew. You just served that one up. I am going to decline to comment on my thoughts of J Max Davis as a person. I have absolutely nothing good to say so I digress.

PS. ALL of the other Yes groups Presidents have run for Mayor. Look it up. These people are politicians and this is absolutely politically motivated. This is not about us - the citizens. It is about them - the wanna be politicians.....And what they can gain for THEMSELVES. Sorry Eric, but it's true.

Mr. Childers, good one, yea I was thinking how to write that. I have no doubt certain people will be running for office. But I guess I'm wondering where the base is. Dunwoody is a little more monolithic. Peachtree Corners is an odd situation at best. From looking at the size of the precincts it would appear that the base for those who people say will be running may not be there.

Mr. Hamburger, can I ask why you don't wish to identify yourself? And I thought the various meetings they've been having is where one could get involved with these working groups.

Carl Childers: "I'll just ask Mike Jacobs again. Anyone know where he is?"

Have you tried Pub 71?

Me: "For any public office holder to post since on any issue other than the MxGov having U.S. voter registration forms would---even by default---be paramount to defending the MxGov being provided and having our voter registration forms.

Thus their silence.

Of, if not, let them post now!

Similarly, and simultaneously, a certain public office holder has not posted since being challenged also for not shunning and instead embracing---indeed defending (;I am a citizen too')---such sheer potential for conflict of interest as being a member of the special interest group, Brookhaven Yes Committee, while also the (in part) district's State Congressman."

Note also, Davis, being "a lawyer," as is Jacobs, must have known also how the burden to themselves, their fellow members of Brookhaven Yes, the community and, most importantly, the Public Trust has been, and remains, in Jacobs being, or supposedly having been, on their special interest committee while also the (in part) district's State Congressman

Eric, Carl is not the only one waiting for Davis' definitive---not your---response for Davis.

"Allow me to rephrase then my friend:
J MAX PLEASE ANSWER.
Can I be a definite NO and participate in the planning of the City?"

Eric: "I think the answer to that question---'Are you interested in trying to make the proposed city better if it passes (even though you don't want it to pass) or are you just trying to be disruptive?'---should answer your question."

You really think so?

I don't

And I---as I am sure others---will be doing my---our-- own thinking, thank you,

The facts are there if you want to open your eyes.

"It's how officers are scheduled and not how many you have on the payroll." I'll take the 7-9 that Brookhaven will always have deployed every hour, every day than the 3 that we get with Dekalb County....For those of you not good with numbers that is 2 - 3 times as many.....

http://www.brookhavenyes.org/dekalbfacts.php

CITY YES,
Yes the FACTS are there if you want to open your eyes.
They can be found at NOCITYBROOKHAVEN.COM

Carl,

You mean the facts that were illegally put together by a lobbyist working for the county? Most of which are either outright lies or exaggerations.

"its how officers are deployed"...Last November the precinct commander said he put out between 6 to 12 officers to answer calls and patrol the Brookhaven area in each of the 4 teams. I also think he was very clear on their ability to pull in more resources if needed and that additional teams like the DUI team often work Brookhaven. What BY/C4ND presented was a city with 7 officers on a 12 hour shift. My math isn't good but I'm only counting 14 officers for a 24 hour period with no additional resources to call upon. A city looks like an extreme downgrade in police services. No thanks to policing on the cheap.

Mr. Enough Guvt Already, also for consideration is these officers are human and their job involves more than just being on the street. There will be sick days, continuing training at GPSTC down in Forsyth, Georgia, court dates, and other job related duties that will remove officers from the streets. A force large enough to handle these demands is not what is being sold.

The bare minimum is what is being presented by Brookhaven Yes and that is not reality.

I told you, ketchup is only for French fries!

"Are those some of those "facts" developed by your illegally paid lobbyist?"

And Jacobs having---at minimum---been a "Committee Member" of the committee essentially lobbying the state government to approve a referendum for cityhood---while taking his pay as a Congressman---- is "legal"?

Much less a referendum that must be as invalid as his own election given the MxGov being provided and using our voter registration forms?

At best it would be illegal for any congressperson to do---at best---nothing about that government being provided and having our voter registration forms.

The "fact" is, they do have their oaths of office. Don't they?

It only takes for CARL! PS|: oh please why don't we sing kumbaya And play ring around the rosie too! Idiot

This whole thing is YOUR mess JMax. Thanks.
People will remember this on Voting day.
Sweet heart.

I asked a North Precinct officer, He said that they run from 6 to 7 Police Officers depending on if any are deployed to training or on leave. So its more than 3. Then they have shifts that over lap so there are more boots on the ground. Depending on the day and time they have the Gang Unit on Buford Hwy along with a DUI Task Force. The vice unit makes cases also. Not to mention the anti crime unit that targets specific areas as seen fit by unit commanders,

Mr. Bill, don’t forget about office/support staff etc. Everyone thinks it is just officers on the ground, but there is more to running a police department.

Certainly, you can have all the yellow mustard you like!

Big problem with this "poll" - you can vote unlimited times. Thinking 200 of the 667 "Nos" are Hamburger himself. He clearly has too much time on his hands.

As you like NCP, polls like this are a waste of time and mean absolutely nothing. Thank you for thinking about me.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

The better question is why in the world did the commissioners ever approve $585,000 to buy the land and $130,000 to design a soap box park when the county is having financial problems.

A soapbox derby park? The parks department doesn't have enough money to take care of what it has now! Why in the world would anyone spend money for something like this?

Shoot at least use one of the countless empty strip malls instead of clearing trees.

The problem is not Ellis. Ellis came along after Dunwoody. And it predates Vernon Jones. If anything its a Form of Government problem but really its more the reality that County's are not a good way to deliver certain municipal services.

The real solution is continuing incorporation of the more of Dekalb in a geographically or service provision sensible fashion. Then the County can focus on the more regional services and/or less local dependent issues.

PART 2: From Page 2 of the Memo attached here:
http://jkheneghan.com/city/meetings/2012/Jun/06112012_Police_5year_staffing.pdf
These requested positions are critical components of a well thought out plan to improve the safety of our community; provide additional programs of interest to citizens; provide the much needed workload relief for our staff; add functions that are simply not being
performed at this time (but are desperately needed); and provide the supervisory and
management foundation built to carry the department forward.

If the staffing request is fully implemented over the next five years, the Dunwoody Police
Department will have a ratio of 1.28-1.38 officers per 1,000 residents, depending on the
population growth during this period of time.

Although this ratio would still be below many surrounding and similar cities, I believe it would improve the effectiveness of our department.

Attached to this memo are several documents including our current organizational chart, an organizational chart for each year 2013-2017, a comparison of crime and workload statistics for 2011-2012 and a statistical profile of the department in January of 2012.

BUT: BrookhavenYes tells us that their Police force will be superior to what we have now with the county. Oh and "Brookhaven can still use DeKalb County's helicopter."

TO SUMMARIZE: I am not willing to gamble with my safety. Are you?
This ain't FUD folks. It's the facts.

VOTE NO! JULY 31.

The request for additional funding for the Dunwoody Police is over a five year period of planned growth.. IF the Brookhaven Police ask for more funding, the City will have $1.4 million in revenues from Town Brookhaven to invest in the department. This revenue source was specifically excluded from the CVI forecast.

Thanks Stan. Good Morning.
I see the KoolAId is still flowing for you.
AND if you care to do the math:
• Dunwoody 2012 Police Budget: $5.78 million
• Dunwoody 2017 Police Budget: $8.19 Million
• AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE INCREASE: $2.4 Million
• Apply that to your fantasy Town Brookhaven comment re: CVI Study:
• You are still $1 Million dollars short. Which services will you cut then?
If you all got a real CVI Study, there would have been future year projections. Unfortunately you chose to get the bargain basement version. FAIL.
Stop all the lies guys.
And even after the 5 year plan the Chief STILL NOTES they will still be understaffed:
"If the staffing request is fully implemented over the next five years, the Dunwoody Police
Department will have a ratio of 1.28-1.38 officers per 1,000 residents, depending on the
population growth during this period of time. Although this ratio would still be below many
surrounding and similar cities, I believe it would improve the effectiveness of our
department.", Chief Grogan.

I'm not suggesting that there might not be some adjustment after the force gets up and running. I am saying there are revenue sources available to pay for unforeseen circumstances without the need to change program priorities, or raise taxes.

Stan,
Are you ALREADY talking that you need to RAISE TAXES to provide a Police force to provide us the safety we need? Wow. Some "plan" you guys have there.
Bottom line, you guys do not know how to run a city, NOR plan for one.

Mr Stan, you may want to give this DPD Staffing Recommendation a closer read. It appears as if BG is understaffed now and this is his wish list for a properly staffed force.

“Although I believe our existing staff has done an exceptional job of shouldering the additional workload and demands without complaint, I am concerned about the long term effects of the high workload if our staffing levels remain stagnant. From my thirty years of public safety experience, the higher workload will eventually deteriorate staff morale, increase turnover rates, increase staff fatigue, reduce officer safety, limit work production, decrease community interaction, and result in incomplete investigations.

In addition, I am concerned about services our department currently does not offer but should based on our daytime and nighttime population, types of crimes, crime rate, traffic issues, geographic location, professional norms and community needs.

I understand the financial constraints facing the City and that even if the Council reaches consensus to make changes to our police staffing, any change will take time to address and potentially many years to fully implement.”

Please take time to review pages 129 – 132 for his comments, budget projection, and crime & ratio of officers comparison.

Brookhaven Yes plays fast and loose with facts and it is going to catch up with them.

Man! That charcoal certainly smells schweet!

@Chip, You are out of line. I did NOT suggest raising taxes or fees.

CITY YES:
It's not scare tactics! The CHIEF OF POLICE IN DUNWOODY WROTE THE MEMO. NOT ME.
I AM CERTAIN YOU SHOULD CONSIDER TAKING HIS WORD FOR IT THAT HE KNOWS BEST WHAT HIS DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY NEEDS. HERE IS THE MEMO FOLKS. YOU READ IT AND YOU DECIDE WHO IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH HERE.
PLEASE DO NOT LET THE YESMEN SELL US SHORT ON PUBLIC SAFETY!
http://jkheneghan.com/city/meetings/2012/jun/06112012_Police_5year_staffing.pdf

VOTE NO! JULY 31st.

Max:
This ain't fantasy land buddy. Suddenly in a City of Brookhaven, the sun is always shining, there are no potholes, people obey all of their traffic laws, they drive more carefully, and don't drink and drive, the air is filled with the scent of freshly mown grass from the parks, the voices of the children playing, and the chirping of the birds as one notices a chipmunk scampering by. A deep breath of the crytal clear air! AHHHH. Those happy pills are hitting on all cylinders today! STOP lying to us man! Just tell the truth. If it doesn't add up, it doesn't add up. Big deal! But DO NOT pretend to tell us you and yours know what is best for us when you have no clue.
VOTE NO! JULY 31.

Mr. Max, you may want to look at the Crime & Ratio of Police Officers Comparison on page 132 of Chief Grogan’s report. It appears as if he needs and could use his 2017 requirements now (see 2017 chart). You cannot run a lean police department for several years without deterioration of the department and its performance.

Dunwoody Police Department – 5 Year Staffing Recommendations
http://tinyurl.com/7rjpykb

If the new city is demographically comparable to Smyrna the police department of the new city will be understaffed from day one leaving area citizens less safe than they are now. Particularly affected will be those in the greater Buford Highway and Peachtree Road corridors.

It appears as if the cornerstone for development of this new city, the Vinson study, is flawed.

Man! If that new city passes, I am going to have to find a big chain and lock to secure my special hamburger grill!

Max:
You silly old bear. Now you know that your city charter provides you, The City Council, ultimate control. You can even have secret closed door meeting to decide our fate! Imagine that! So what you're saying is while people are out there obeying their traffic laws, taking in ALL that is a City of Brookhaven (or perhaps a guided tour courtesy of the Brookhaven Tourism and Conventions Bureau), you will all be looking around for ways to control them. Good plan!

I am hoping you'll move Hamburger...

City Yes, it is tough when folks disagree with you. I am hoping you will start doing some serious research!

Those are some fine looking thin sliced onions!

@HamBurg. If you really are part of the 'Old Five Points' contingency, calling me an elitist is laughable. Some in that crowd are even FB 'friends' with Vernon.

But whatever makes it easier to get through the day....

Mr. Max, I never said I was part of “OFP” and for the record, I am not. It is amazing just how many folks in the area are revolting against this new city business. Daily, I meet folks really bent out of shape because they are not interested in a new city. Collectively, they are organizing and discussing the flaws of this new city idea in their respective neighborhoods. To say they are pissed is an understatement.

As for you, just review tour comments . . . Very elitist . . .

Special hamburger?

Mr. Max, what an unctuous individual you are. Buford highway is not Hampton Hall or Silver Lake, but considering the total area of Buford Highway in the proposed new city it certainly is not a slum. You defame the many hard working folks in the area.

Interestingly, one of the commercial areas that will be propping your new city up with tax dollars, yet the area will have little voice in your government!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

There is one particular business on Buford Hwy that will carry the lion share of "Propping Up". In Fact, that one particular business pays more in fee's and licensing than you have been able to fabricate as your entire city surplus. I wish these guys would stop lying to everybody. It's just not savory business.

BS.

The apartments at that location were problematic 30 years ago, everyone knows it. Last year a cop was shot there. The good folk that live there suffer because DeKalb County does not enforce zoning/fire safety laws.

In fact, those folks would benefit from local control and the ensuing code enforcement, just like Sandy Springs and Dunwoody residents. In both places, and many others like Norross, the combined use of law and code enforcement force owners to improve lighting, diminish fire code violations, and just spend some money of repairing decrepit structures.

Voting to keep what is broken is the ultimate insiders gambit, the status quo doesn't benefit hard working people. In fact, your line of thinking denies positive change.

Chip why do you promote the tyranny of low expectations? perhaps your hand is in the County extra wide-mouth cookie jar?

Thank you for the handy link to Dunwoody Police statistics:
http://tinyurl.com/7rjpykb

Clearly, the existing Police force is doing a great job:

Total Violent crime down 56.7%,
Wanted Persons Arrested up 28.8%,
At HALF the ratio 1/1,000 citizens, .99 V. 2.09 similar sized GA cities.

A Police force that is dedicated to a limited jurisdiction is simply more cost-effective and better able to coordinate operations to meaningfully lower criminal activity.

What you now smell are specious arguments going up in smoke!

J Max,
If what we have posted is complete BS, then why do you spend so much time trying your paltry best to refute it? And you are my buddy. Whether you think so or not. What do you have against the good people and businesses on Buford Hwy? Why do you want to run them out so badly? What have any one them ever done to you? If the City does go through, (which it won't) myself and my "ilk" a.k.a. your employers, will be on your doorstep at every available moment. Brookhaven Bobby would be ashamed of you and would be voting NO. I think you actually creeped him out too.

Mr. Max, Chief Grogan is clearly asking for help. What he really needs will not be available in the budget for sometime.

Additionally, all you know about Buford Highway is what you read in The Crier.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

ACtually, I spend a good bit of time and money on Buford Highway:

Zuffy's,
Chef Lui's
Cafe 101,
Green's,
Baldino's.

You make some good points, do better.

Chip and HamBurgs argument go personal when faced with facts and figures. Typical.

That's it for me today, my wait at Discount Tire is over, now I am going to work, suggest you both do the same.

"Last year a cop was shot there." Are you referring to the November 2010 incident where a sheriff's deputy was shot in the arm while trying to serve a warrant on someone at the Keys Crossing Condominiums? http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=165553

There is no denying that there is more crime in the Buford Highway corridor and I'm all in favor of bringing up code standards. But things are not out of control in this corridor and I wouldn't call it slums. I certainly hope people aren't seeking to do what Dunwoody tried and buyout that apartment complex on Peachtree Industrial for a park with little regard for the majority of hard working individuals who are just struggling to pay make ends meet. It smacked of Dunwoody just trying to move the problem elsewhere.

I know a lot of people claim to hear shootings a lot on Buford Highway but really that's usually either the dumb practice of celebratory gunfire or fireworks.

Just google gun - shot buford highway - or dekalb police shot buford highway

Mr. Max, if you were familiar with Buford Highway you would know that the majority of apartments between Briarwood and Clairmont have been maintained through the years with good property management. Those with pools pass health department inspections annually.

The old Chateau apartments at Briarwood & Buford were completely renovated twice with the partial across the stream where the parts stores are demolition prior to the second renovation due to soil stability and foundation issues. This partial was sold and has been redeveloped as retail for several years now. The other partial was eventually redeveloped and became a casualty of the economy. A year and a half ago it was picked up for a song and construction has started with six unit town home buildings constructed on a per building basis as needed to meet demand.

The old apartments located where Lenox Hills is located had been very well maintained, but were redeveloped into upscale apartments prior to the RE crash.

Keys Crossing condos was indeed the location of the officer shooting. Property owners were very disturbed about this event involving an individual with mental problems.

So you know the dining delights of Buford highway, yet when convenient you slam the area you purport to enjoy? What a guy . . . And I need to do better?

Time to refresh that charcoal . . . Special hamburgers to grill!

Mr. Max, you are giving elitists a bad name . . . Plus, you are clueless . . . You have no idea as to what is going on in the Buford Highway area. It has never been blighted or posh. It has always been apartments, just catering to different groups of people.

“I know Brookhaven very well as a resident back in '76. It went from 'blighted' to posh and upscale. Incorporation will improve the worst areas of Brookhaven, whereas doing nothing will not improve the slum which is the Briarwood/Buford Highway area.” -- Mr. Max

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Eric,
I know the argument that some folks made about the poor hard working folk being tossed to the street - It resonated for some, not me. In Dunwoody, citizens voted down an unpopular Park Bond referendum. That has NEVER happened in DeKalb.

The paying, law abiding folks in apartments designated for destruction, regardless of cause, are offered apartments homes close by by other owners. Landlords want new residents that pay and don't break the law, and hold 'new home' events way beforehand. Peachtree Gardens gave $1,000 bonus, moving help, and other incentives to longstanding tenants to build Brookhaven Town.

You digress, from the main point, DeKalb County has allowed these conditions to occur. These apartments were poor and had problems 30 years ago, they got worse because the existing system did not enforce code ordinances.

You are correct, in urban situations, large County government performs less efficiently than in a rural setting. DeKalb has outgrown it's current form of governance.

The whole 'social engineering' meme is a red herring, regardless.

Oh Max don't bring up Town Sembler - I knocked on doors for several campaigns in that community, it was decent housing and it wasn't adequately replaced. Which reminds me I've also knocked on doors in the Buford Highway corridor with Spanish/English campaign flyers and on this I tend to agree with HamBurger, these are decent places with good people.

But you are right, I digress. And I'm not opposed to gentrification as long as its not my tax dollars buying out habitable property. But Town Sembler? Basically used my tax dollars and they manipulated the permitting and staff approval process to make unfortunate changes.

But don't worry, bottom line, yes a city makes sense from a delivery point of view. Counties offering municipal services are a very Georgia thing.

Liane Levetan used to brag about the CEO form of Government and talk about us and Westchester County in NY being the only other CEO form of Government. But in Westchester everying is in a Town, Village or City and the County focuses on the bigger picture issues.

Mr. Eric, redevelopment as the market dictates by the private sector with consideration to a reasonable redevelopment overlay is one thing. Gentrification by government at taxpayer expense is another.

Sometimes I think you need another day or two at MD being served pink slime morning, noon and night . . .

Hamburger your post woke me up. Isn't that what I said? What being that I don't support taxpayer funded gentrification.

Mr. Eric, damn, my dyslexia dyslected me . . . Please forgive me.

However, I NEVER mix up yellow mustard and ketchup when making my special hamburgers!

Well there you have it folks. Suddenly BrookhavenYes putting you in a risky public safety position now calls for personal attacks on my person. Very classy Stan. You still working on your math problem?
• Dunwoody 2012 Police Budget: $5.78 million
• Dunwoody 2017 Police Budget: $8.19 Million
• AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE INCREASE: $2.4 Million
• Apply that to your fantasy Town Brookhaven comment re: CVI Study:
• You are still $1 Million dollars short. Which services will you cut then?

Porter Sanford Center for the Performing Arts glistens as a gorgeous venue, just south of I-20, yet is as unused as a bottle of bleach on the 6th floor at 330 West Ponce de Leon.

What's at 330 West Ponce?

Well the CEO, of course. Yes, folks, the CEO has offices separate from the Commissioners. In fact, Commissioners cannot access the CEO offices without being 'buzzed in.'

The smell you smell is not charcoal, dear readers, you smell Benjamins burning, your Benjamins ($100 bills).

Chip,

"... us band together and work with the county to improve any deficiencies. To me, THAT feels like a better option instead of a leap of faith. ..."

That single point was my principle for opposing Dunwoody!

Have you seen the DeKalb Delegation (DD) in action? For those who have not seen DD 'working,' please review:

http://dunwoodynorth.blogspot.com/2012/02/dekalb-delegation-of-ga-general.html

I am suggesting that the idea is noble, yet the will for implementation is impossible to make the changes needed to materially affect Dekalb governance. I am certain of this, I have watched the DD, spoken to members, and we see things differently.

Thank you for that Stan. The issues are the issues. Simple as that.
BUT! You should still VOTE NO, us band together and work with the county to improve any deficiencies. To me, THAT feels like a better option instead of a leap of faith. And something I would embrace and like minded folks would support. Thanks Brother.

Mr. Jonathan, it is rough grilling and making hamburgers with one hand and typing with the other, but I will manage. Thank you for your concern . . .

You might want to check out the viability of the cornerstone that your new city is based on. I hear the Vinson study is flawed. Ask Rep. Mike Jacobs.

Special hamburgers are my specialty!

"I sometimes get the feeling that there are about 12 people that spend all day long reading and commenting on these posts...fighting a viable city."---Jonathan

What is "sad" is your expectation, of which you are obviously not alone, that anyone and everyone opposing should just roll-over and play mute for your "viable" city.

Mr. William, Chief Grogan, as head of the DPD, is an excellent source of information. With his report, he is letting the city know of his needs and he is sensitive to the fact that there is a deficient budget standing in the way of his needs and their fulfillment.

Clearly, you have chosen not to read the report and digest the details he has taken the time to illustrate to make his points.

As for Chief Grogan’s appearance recently in Drew Valley, I, as a “NO” person would have asked the important questions. However, “YES” folks do not want to burst the bubble of their dream and would never do anything that would awaken themselves to reality. They would just wait till five years later to complain and wonder what happened and why the Vinson study was so flawed.

You may want to reread your post. It is an incoherent mess . . .

Yes, folks have been known to drive from miles around to savor the delights of my special hamburgers!

I have listened to Chief Grogan and the residents of Dunwoody about their feelings and seen the data that supports Dunwoody is policing their 14 square miles better than DeKalb could and did. There is this little thing called 'context' that you don't seem to grasp.

The fact of the matter is this: Either Chief Grogan is a reliable source or he isn't. By citing his memo, I assume you believe he is a reliable source of information about providing proper police protection to an area with roughly 45,000 people and roughly 14 square miles.

If that is the case, then there is no reason to doubt whether Brookhaven will have adequate police. The vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority in Dunwoody, including Chief Grogan, feel and would attest that Dunwoody PD is providing substantially better service than DeKalb was providing.

That's the bottom line. Would anyone in Dunwoody or Sandy Springs or annexed Chamblee go back to county services? The answer is a resounding no. I have enough faith and trust in my community that we can do it just as good as those places...now, you might not trust our community, Burger, or you might think our community isn't as good a place to live as Dunwoody or Chamblee or Sandy Springs, Burger...but I do and so do thousands of others...and that's why voting Yes is a no brainer.

Mr. William, again, just read Chief Grogan’s letters and study his charts. Or, ask him so send out a “never mind” memo.

If I did not like the area, I would not have moved here and continued to live here.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Burger-

Looking at just the memo and saying 'well, it must be broken' is like saying all the people on a cruise want to go back to the mainland because someone complained about the size of the pool on Trip Advisor.

It's completely out of context. You have to look at ALL of the evidence.

#1- If you think Cheif Grogan is a good source, then ask him whether DeKalb or Dunwoody could police Dunwoody better. He's on record. He's available.

#2- Why don't you ask John Hennegen his opinion about the police force in Dunwoody? He is on the city council and has been supportive of increasing the police budget per Chief Grogan's request. Has he suggested that if they don't get the additional officers that they'd be better off getting police services from DeKalb? OF COURSE NOT!

#3- What about the context of the DeKalb PD. I assume that they must be fine with their staffing and don't need any additional money budgeted to them in the future or present, right? WRONG! DeKalb cut the police budget by almost 5% last year despite the uprising from the police departement! http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-votes-against-tax-848354.html

So, you can complain all you want about a single memo that says that the desire more police in the future...it's nothing compared to the cutting and slashing status quo in DeKalb.

Ask your neighbors in Chamblee, Sandy Springs, and Dunwoody if they want to go back to county police services..

The answer is pretty clear.

Burger- "Chief Grogan, as head of the DPD, is an excellent source of information."

Cheif Grogan -“The staff of the Dunwoody Police Department does an exceptional job providing police services to the citizens of Dunwoody. We have formed many important relationships with citizens and community organizations to fight crime and improve the quality of life of those who live in and visit Dunwoody.”

http://www.thecrier.net/news/local_news/article_6c03bd40-7814-11e1-afa3-001871e3ce6c.html

LOL, Burger! Those who spin deceit always get caught in its web.

Mr. William, I read Chief Grogan’s letters, look at his requirements, make comparisons based on his crime charts and PD comparison chart and I have concerns about citizen safety in a new city. Especially if the Vinson study is deficient.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

The TRUTH will set you free...

Burger- "Chief Grogan, as head of the DPD, is an excellent source of information."

Cheif Grogan -“The staff of the Dunwoody Police Department does an exceptional job providing police services to the citizens of Dunwoody. We have formed many important relationships with citizens and community organizations to fight crime and improve the quality of life of those who live in and visit Dunwoody.”

"I am concerned about the services our department currently does not offer but should..." D'woody Chief's staffing report

Mr William, you may want to give this DPD Staffing Recommendation a closer read. It appears as if BG is understaffed now and this is his wish list for a properly staffed force.

“Although I believe our existing staff has done an exceptional job of shouldering the additional workload and demands without complaint, I am concerned about the long term effects of the high workload if our staffing levels remain stagnant. From my thirty years of public safety experience, the higher workload will eventually deteriorate staff morale, increase turnover rates, increase staff fatigue, reduce officer safety, limit work production, decrease community interaction, and result in incomplete investigations.

In addition, I am concerned about services our department currently does not offer but should based on our daytime and nighttime population, types of crimes, crime rate, traffic issues, geographic location, professional norms and community needs.

I understand the financial constraints facing the City and that even if the Council reaches consensus to make changes to our police staffing, any change will take time to address and potentially many years to fully implement.”

Please take time to review pages 129 – 132 for his comments, budget projection, and crime & ratio of officers comparison.

Brookhaven Yes plays fast and loose with facts and it is going to catch up with them.

Man! That charcoal certainly smells schweet!

When Department heads, Like Chief Grogan, submit forecasts and budget requests don't they usually argue for more in hopes of getting some?

".. the CVI study had a recommendation of 20-25 cops to protect Dunwoody. It seems that the experts at CVI and Dunwoody Yes missed the boat on that number. After hiring a first rate Police Chief, it was determined that to be protected to the levels that the citizens expected, 47 police officers were needed."-Bob Lunsten' blog

"We all know CfD/Dunwoody Yes were propaganda engines and the CVI studies have about as much merit as a Philip Morris funding study showing smoking is benign." -Sight Edman in response on Mr. Lunsten's blog

100% agreed.

If you had asked me this question, June 11, 2008, before incorporation, I would have not believed it could be done.

Research the facts, go to meetings, speak to the proponents and opponents and vote your conscience. Just know that I am writing here because I believe people ought to hear the viewpoint of someone who has seen this process work well.

If you had Perimeter Mall Brookhaven could be done. BUUUUT you don't.
Also - if you spent the energy rallying the community BEFORE we got to where we are now with this mess, we would already be better off. You have a tough sell YesMan. And I know you feel it. Keep the fodder coming. I know you have plenty of it to serve up. But as you can see, it's very shallow and easy to discount. Especially when all we have to do is cite the truth.

Not a tough sell at all Chip. People aren't stupid. This poll is irrelevent - anyone can vote as many times as they want. I'm sure you've voted at least 100. Internal polling is showing much, much different results. Boo Hoo Chipper!

City Yes. Get all the internal polling you can stand. You will lose the cityhood vote.
Vote No July 31st.

City Yes, internal poll? Do you have to know the secret handshake to vote? Was it based on the same three precincts as Rep. Jacobs based his initial poll telling him to form a city?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Chip - You willing to put some money on that one? Because I am. Polling of RESIDENTS is 2 to 1 for the city, buddy.

Not even close burger boy. Polling has been going on for quite some time and guess what....YOU LOSE!!! Go choke on that burger...

That was AWESOME! Thanks Man.
Please continue! :)

My understanding from inside sources is that those complaining on that site have been passed up for promotion and can't get hired elsewhere. Why else would they remain there? I would'nt hire them either. They are less than 3 percent of the force there.

"...nothing more than a glorified Home Owners Association...---Hamburger

It sort of reminds me of the "Home Owners Association" which governs the condos where I live in Ansley Park. The association is also the Property Management company---meaning if you want, for example, the roofing company to be tasked with making good on their warranty nothing will be done by the Homeowner's Association given the roofer being on the association's board too.

When challenged that that is illegal for being a "conflict of interest," they respond demanding the law that cites it! So much for legal precedents.

Sound familiar? As in the public-office holder Jacobs being, or supposedly having been, on the pro-Brookhaven City committee but a "(I am) a citizen too"?

"don Gabacho

don Gabacho @ 5:59 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
"It sort of reminds me of the "Home Owners Association" which governs the condos where I live in Ansley Park."

Wait a minute you live in Ansley Park in the City of Atlanta? Wow.

"Wait a minute you live in Ansley Park in the City of Atlanta?"

i meant Ashford Park.

It's the pain-killers.

Seriously someone who lives in Ashford Park mistakenly typed they live in Ansley Park?

"Seriously someone who lives in Ashford Park mistakenly typed they live in Ansley Park?"---Eric Hovdesven

"Seriously" someone who can read the "Ansley Park" can't read "It's the pain-killers?"

This is it folks, this is the best the Tories can come up with.

Vote YES for Brookhaven.

Mr. Bill, you have a rather simplistic understanding of government and little to no understanding of economics.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/dekalb-pay-increases-raise-eyebrows/nFDFK/

Ellis: is about one thing: $$$$ for him and his pals. If you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention. His former law firm was somehow the same one picked to do all the real estate transactions for the GM Doraville deal (that thankfully failed), a coincidence or post CEO security? All of his pals consulting firms get put on contract with the county... the list goes on. He didn't bring Stogner on board at first, he wanted to bring his pal Keith Barker along with him to the CEOs office in order to continue the stupidity from when they were together in the BOC. Then Keith, a married man with kids, screwed around with a female employee promising her a promotion so she would keep quiet, he did not deliver & she outed him. Ellis then fired him, gave him $100k to keep quiet & Stogner came the man who single handedly kept DeKalb running and Vernon out of jail for 8 years, either of which is an amazing feat. Stogner is not such a great guy either. Remember that he, along with Vernon and a few others, was recently found guilty in a Federal lawsuit of creating a 'hostile work environment' and in the same case the County itself was found guilty of racial discrimination, and yet Ellis somehow publicly calls this court case a 'win' for the County and rehires Stogner to the county's top post? This case will cost the County many millions after all legal fees are paid, and yet Ellis (and Stogner) both are quoted on TV as saying it is a win.

Dekalb county commission: part time work, full time pay!