Texas town allows teachers to carry concealed guns
http://tinyurl.com/blnp2wh

If you agree that there are 135,000 schools in the US, having an ARMY of armed guards (imagine having 1.5 per school, given sick days, off days, etc.) the cost is
SEVEN BILLION dollars. That's 200,000 armed security guards. If you have two per school, that's 270,000 armed officers (don't forget colleges, JUCO's, community colleges)

This guy is sick. That 'army' would be one that is larger than the german army.

The armed force would be nearly the size of the Marines numbers. The USNavy has 320,000 service ppl.

Today is the day that the tide has turned against the NRA.

I AM THE NRA. I disagree with BOTH positions.

I listened to the NRA news conference and discussion on the radio. His comments came across as patronizing and insulting. Really man...stop preaching to me you BS. I'm troubled by his and NRA arrogance to take the tone and stance he (they) took today. It's like they know nothing is going to change. Friggin arse holes.

I bought my 'nra life membership' from la pierre back in '86 when he was lower on the food chain. He was a kook then and has not mellowed with age.
The association now represents the interests of firearms manufacturers and distributors. The interests of the owners (like staying alive) are no longer a consideration.

The real issue here is the mental health system in the US not guns! Crazy people will do crazy things unless you stop them first! All of the crazy people doing these crazy things have had warring signs long before any murder happened!
Parents, teachers and friends were in denial and looked the other way with these damaged kids while at the same time pushing for the forced inclusion of these mentally ill kids with normal kids. Mental health professionals did not try to lock up these mentally ill crazy people, nor are there really places to lock up the mentally ill.
If you want to go and take away people’s rights, take them away from the correct group of people, the mentally damaged! Lock them up and throw away the key, but leave the normal people the right to protect themselves from these crazies and from the other dark forces that can enter our lives!

It is a shame how these progressives paid and supported by the Brady Campaign step on dead children and bend facts to support their agenda on guns and ignore the cause of these types of shooting, being all committed by people that should have been in a mental facility! The agenda should be how we detect and treat the mentally ill in this Country!

When you are in trouble with a position, like Wayne Pierre and the NRA, you do what most people do:
1. Change the subject (guards needed in schools)
2. Blame it on someone else (the media and the entertainment business)
3. Deny it (when did guns become the villain asked Wayne LaPierre rhetorically during his news conference?)
Let's start from the top with number one. Most schools have security officers, Virginia Tech and Columbine did and many schools already do. Do we also include guards at most locations where people congregate; ie, movies, ball games, etc.? The expense for schools would be about 6.7 billion dollars .Who pays? The Republicans have over the last ten years cut five billion from schools in Georgia. Where will schools get the money? Perhaps a special tax on bullets and guns could be passed?
Lets' take the number two argument. Japan is noted for its extremely violent video games yet the per capita deaths by guns is very small .This also applies to Germany,Canada,Great Britain, and other countries they also looks at the same movies we do and play the same video games.
The number three argument is the gun industry is enjoying a boom with 5 % of the world's population the United state owns 50% of all guns. Wayne LaPierre is paid over one million dollars a years in salary. This money comes from the gun industry and the 4 million members that the NRA keeps in a constant state of agitation and fear in order to keep the money coming in.

George have you ever been to a Braves game or to a movie or at most locations where people congregate? They all have their own guards or Security Staff You would actually be shocked by the number of Security Staff and police at a Braves Game. They even have a mini Police sub station at Turner Field.
The point is we even have guards at banks so which should be more important, our children or a pile of money? I would say the kids every time. If we wanted we could work together to find a way to pay for it. We could start with the money we use to foreign aid!
I also noticed you completely ignored the Root Cause to the issue--The mental health system in the US.

BTW George,
Your points,
1. Change the subject (guards needed in schools)
2. Blame it on someone else (the media and the entertainment business)
3. Deny it (when did guns become the villain asked Wayne LaPierre rhetorically during his news conference?)
#1 The Subject should be mentally ill kids committing crimes!
#2 I work for the media and can clearly see how the endless coverage of these types of crimes plant seeds in the minds of the Mentally Ill. Anyone that can not see this would be insane!
# you say Deny it, but it is really out right denial that Mentally ill kids are the root of the problem!
Also, I have lived in both Italy and Germany for years and they still have crime and murder. Fact is when I was in Italy the method of choice was bomb by the Red Bridge. Knives were popular in Germany. Murder is Murder no matter what your instrument is right?

ppl do crazy things, but ppl with gun do worse things, with semi kills 20 kids and seven adults...

pls get this: if the freak didnt have access to a semi, how many kids/adults would be dead today?

Well, he had a full TEN MINUTES to do whatever he wanted.

Even if the school principle had a pistol to defend herself no children would have been killed.
The Portland Mall shooting shooter was stopped when a CCW holder took aim at him, he decided to commit suicide at that point. The CO Batman movie shooter even passed up three other theaters that night until he found one that had the "No CCW allowed" sticker on the doors, He did not want to be bothered with anyone trying to defend themselves!
Guns are actually the only thing that is going to stop these Mentally ill people unless you lock them up first!

I don't think the University should make a statement such as this, at least not yet. If it is true that "We" haven't looked and and studied the NRA proposal then how can anyone, and most certainly "We" make a recommendation? I would think an enlightened University would keep and open mind and encourage debate.

Why don't folks talk about what could have been done in the TEN MINUTES (pepper spray, baseball bat, slingshot, pull the fire alarm) the perp had to play with?

The U.S. represents 5% of the world's population while at the same time owning 50% of the world's firearms (~300 million). There are ~ 30 million assault weapons in our country. It's easier to purchase weapons through "straw men," gun shows, or off the Internet with no background check required than it is to obtain one's drivers license. Finally, the Second Amendment is written with in such an outdated, archaic manner that no one really understands what it means in today's time. The NRA (Wayne LaPierre IS evil...thank you Eddie) has co-opted any meaningful gun control discussion and understanding of the Second Amendment by using the tactics outlined by George Wilson. It's time to reform the Second Amendment (reform, reform, and reform, and not repeal, repeal, or repeal) and make it understandable and relevant for today....not 1790. PS The reference to Japan and the school situation (I believe it was China and occurred on the exact same day as Newtown) is deploying tactics # 1 and # 3 from above. None of the children died. Trying to kill someone using a knife in a hand to hand struggle makes the experience "personal" and "real" rather than using an assault weapon and ammo. Guns "desensitize" the gruesomeness of the kill...IMHO. PS NRA outspends Brady Campaign by a factor of over 70%.

For anyone defending the NRA, please share your thoughts on what type of Second Amendment and gun reform would you propose? Let's start there and hopefully find common ground on a very important discussion. Again, reform and not tactics such as armed guards in schools. Thank you.

GES,

nice strategy - hysterics and such.

Tell me what you think of the ARTICLE- go back up and read the article - OU prez disagrees with the NRA position.

GES
Banks- you dolt- are private institutions.
Please point me to 5 movie theaters with ARMED security in Atlanta. You can't.

VA TECH had its own police force, and yet the killings happened.

Ft. Hood- an army BASE and killings happened.

Mental health issues- of course, you combat that. along with looking at reasonable gun control

GES, when you make stupid assed statments like this
"Guns are actually the only thing that is going to stop these Mentally ill people unless you lock them up first!"

you're aren't worth engaging in an argument.

TomMiller1...very nice.

I do not support any gun control measures because they have been proven to be a failure in the US as well as the UK and Australia. Per the CDC 2011 study there are only a little over 11,000 gun-related deaths in the US. If you look closely at study’s funded by the Brady Campaign you will find they skew their results with high numbers of suicides to get the statistics they want.
However I do support new Mental Health measures!
Here are the 4 points that the Oglethorpe president wants in a gun control bill. The first pertains to Colleges, the other three are the same Brady Campaign talking points that they have been pushing for the last 20 year.
• #1 Ensuring the safety of our communities by opposing legislation allowing guns on our campuses and in our classrooms.
The Oglethorpe president is scared to death of CCW holders will be entering his Campus and he wants to keep control of who can and cannot enter his Campus rather than the State. This is more of a control issue and he wants to have it. I actually have no problem with his point as long as the State can hold the College Board of directors and president criminally responsible in the event of any attack.

• #2 Ending the gun show loophole, which allows for the purchase of guns from unlicensed sellers without a criminal background check.
This issue is just a lot of Smoke & Mirrors really. If you go to a Gun Show, any Gun Show in the United States and buy a new or used gun from a licensed gun dealer you will be required to pass a NCIS background check just like if you are in a shop, there are no exceptions, if they don’t they & you can go to jail and the ATF attends gun shows and checks. A valid licensed GFL holder does not have to have a background check done at a gun show or gun shop by law because they have already jumped through more hoops than required to buy a gun.
The thing the anti-gun liberals call the “gun show loophole” is actually private sellers selling their privately owned weapons to other people whether it be at a Gun Show or at your private home. Some people at gun shows will buy a table and sell their owns guns from that table and it does not require a background check as long as the buyer can by law legally own a weapon & they live in the same state for a handgun. By ATF regulations if a private individual sells enough personal guns in a year they can be called and illegal gun dealer by the ATF can go to jail. There are laws on the books that cover this.

# 3 Reinstating the ban on military-style semi-automatic assault weapons along with high-capacity ammunition magazines
We already experienced this same thing during the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994-2004 when it ended. All you have to do is a little research to understand that it was a complete failure and accomplished nothing but drive up the prices of AR’s, AK’s & high cap mags and make them more desirable because they were banned. As a matter of fact I bought my first AR in 1999 after I go out of the Army and back in the United States and realized they were banned. Remember columbine in 1999. The gun ban sure did not help those kids!
The definition of a military-style semi-automatic assault weapons during the gun ban was that if the gun had a more than two features or combination of a pistol grip, flash suppressor, detachable mag, collapsible stock or bayonet mount it was banned. So you could buy the same gun with a fixed stock minus the bayonet mount & flash suppressor and the gun was perfectly legal. So does any of that make sense? No, it does not make sense so why bother with it again.

#4 Requiring consumer safety standards for all guns, such as safety locks, access prevention laws, and regulations to identify, prevent and correct manufacturing defects
Requiring consumer safety standards for all guns, such as safety locks, I agree completely, Oh but guess what? If you have bought a new gun from any gun store in the United States in at least the last 12 years you got a free gun lock with the pistol provided by the gun maker with their cool logo on it. This has been a standard industry practice now for years!
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Access prevention laws? We already have laws on the books that can put you behind bars if you are Negligent and give unauthorized people access to your guns. Do we really need more laws on this? Regulations to identify, prevent and correct manufacturing defects? If a gun maker is selling guns with manufacturing defects you really think they are going to be in business long? Most gun owners are very picky if a new gun is scratched they are going to complain all over the net! If gun makers operated like car makers believe me there would not be one gun maker left in the US! I really believe the Brady Campaign put the phrase “regulations to identify, prevent and correct manufacturing defects” as a legal mumbo jumbo jargon to shut a gun maker down it the gun shoots someone accidentally. But guess what? Any accidental discharge is the gun owners own fault due to negligent behavior! Any time you load or unload your weapon it should be controlled in a place that is safe if something goes wrong, that is just basic responsible gun ownership!

ges,
So elevate semi-auto purchases to Class III status.
How many people were killed or injured with Fully Licensed Class III weapons last year?

ges....so now I know what you don't stand for, what type of gun reform (not ban) do you propose?

ges...in other words, where is common ground between our points of view?

Class III are full auto/select fire weapons and are heavily regulated and taxed. Class III weapons cannot even be taken out of State without permission by the ATF and are locked in the owners safe when not in use . Law enforcement really does not keep tract of crimes committed with Class III weapons with its own class, so they would be lumped in with all other gun crimes. If I had to guess, I would say 0 crimes and 0 deaths have been committed with Class III weapons in 2011.

Class III weapons are what the Progressive Liberals think was banned during the Clinton Gun Ban years of 1994-2004, but the truth could not be further from reality. Class III weapon laws have been on the books since 1936 and again in 1968.

In reality if a Progressive Liberals cannot understand the difference between an AR15 and an M16 or the difference between an AKMS sold in the US and AK sold throughout the rest of the world, they will not understand what a gun ban actually controls of understand Class III weapons or their Laws.

All Progressive Liberals want to hear is guns are banned and that makes them feel better. That is really what happened in the 1994 gun ban, it really had nothing to do with safety.

The truth is that even if all guns were banned in the US it would not stop the number of gun death committed by guns as the gun that are already owned would be grandfathered in! People will still be killed there will still be 30 round mags out there and we are talking about a Billion of them.
This is the reason we need a Mental Health solution to stop these crazy people committing these types of crimes!

Eddie E,
I see what you are trying to say, but if they did that, they would be banning most if not all semi-automatic weapons. Before that law would pass you would have every NAACP lawyer on you because of the unjust tax on the poor minorities that could not afford the $ 200. tax stamp or the 2K for a security safe to store it in. Not to mention the Government now being able to come to you house to inspect what you have.
Right now you have to be wealthy to own a Class III item. That is why I do not own a $ 25,000 1927 Thompson A1! Have you ever been to a Class III shoot. You would be lucky if you saw three black people to every 100 white people, and you know Class III is not a redneck thing!
If you look at the crime statistics you could make a great case against banning gun ownership by blacks (accounting for 2/3 of crimes) but that just would not fly in the US! You just can not take someones 2A rights away because of their Race.
Actually in Georgia that is really the reason they started the Public Gathering gun bans after the civil war. The whites were afraid of the blacks that had started to defend them self with guns. They just got rid of that law a couple of years ago.
Having rights are a very powerful thing and out Government fears this!

GES, you really are an idiot, or a sh*t stirrer from HuffPost.

You wrote:
Anyway your other two points Va Tech and Ft Hood are "Gun Free Killing Zones" like the CT school where privately owned guns were already banned on the property!

EACH - VaTech and the Base- had armed police. Save the jarogny nomenclature for others, ok?

I had to laugh at the naivete of your comment that the GA assembly would criminalize a private institution's failure to allow guns on campus, like you did for OU. Makes sense- don't address the killers' access, harm the campus.

You can't be serious with these arguments.

Sorry for the above I should edited better.
You said "properly 'regulating the militia' " but you also left out the important " Shall not be infringed"
Unfortunately, I understand what a Progressive Liberal is. It is just a cool catch phrase for being a socialist. There is not one Progressive Liberal that would have been elected if they actually called themselves a Socialist. The Democratic party is now infested with them!

Hey Eddie E.

I see that you agree that the problem is not actually Assault Weapons! As you said,
"There were no crimes with Legally Licensed Class III weapons in 2011." which happen to be the "Real Deal" when talking about Assault Weapons.
I do not see, where I made your point, I see where you really made no point.

ges, yes assault weapons can be purchased on-line, at shows and through third parties with no background checks. All that is needed is an exchange of money and maybe a handshake. I believe the shooters at Columbine HS used weapons purchased by someone using a third party method...no background check. So closing these obvious loopholes is worth doing as part of a holistic approach to the problem? Focusing on gun reform (not banning) would also be included. How about enforcing currents laws? Agreement? I believe you may have already mentioned this. Here's another idea...increase sentencing for anyone with a gun not "legal." let's say automatic 10 year jail time. Also make it retroactive...anyone already with an illegal weapon would have a grace period to register and into a hi-tech national data base. If not and later caught with the illegal gun, they automatically get 10 years in jail...minimum. How about this thought...rather than put mentally ill into a national data base, let's put registered gun owners into it. Next ask the NSA to amp up their tracking surveillance to link drunk driving, road rage, domestic violence, theft, being fired for egregious acts, for someone entering an alcohol/drug rehab program with gun ownership. Any "tags" requires assault weapons being confiscated. There are so many other possibilities. This way we get more effective control than focusing on the mentally ill. Why? Only 4% of violent crimes are committed by someone mentally ill.

Oh, my god Eddie, you are clearly insane!
Lets look at it your way with Class III weapons, OK. I will fix my statement.
----All real assault weapons are registered by the Government and all owners of assault weapons are registered and manged by the AFT. All other weapons are not registered in any way by most States and are not required to be registered in any way by Law.------
Is that correct enough for you Eddie? You clearly like to play with words.
Eddie, with your plan making all semi-auto weapons Class-three weapons actually would be a great plan for crime though. Only rich white men would be allowed to have weapons, right Eddie?

Eddie you are a Joke!

Poor Eddie,
Really, you are truly mentally ill if you think Congress would ever pass anything like the above! LOL Our Constitution would have to be changed first, that means it would have to go to the States to be voted on first. It is just not going to happen.
You are clearly delusional and off somewhere in Space or living in your own Fantasy World. Enough Said!
You are just going to have to get comfortable with Guns as they are here to stay. I carry (GFL) a legal gun just about everywhere I go, and have a carbine locked in the trunk of my car when I am in it. I am sure you pass people everyday with guns as you walk around here in Georgia and you never notice! There is really nothing to be scared about! I'm not scared of any of all this. I already got Mine!

ges and Eddie, here is my sense of what's going on with this entire discussion. It reminds me of the run up to the Presidential election. The right wingers were smelling their own exhaust in the sense they were buying the FoxAllegedNews sounds bites, ignoring facts, and basically concocting their "new reality" which was out of touch with reality. So much of their spin was irrational, fear bating. When President Obama won, they were stunned and couldn't believe it happened. They convinced themselves that MR was going to win in a landslide. So now, different (yet somewhat the same topic), and in addition to Fox, the NRA are cranking out the sound bites, the fear baiting, and another "new reality." So many have Again dumbed themselves down and become tone death to their blind denial to consider any gun reform (not ban).

Eddie E, you are suggesting something very reasonable and doable.

ges, I believe you're still in denial that the world has flipped for hard right reublicans. Please go back and review the key demographics trends that put President Obama back in the WH. These same groups want stricter gun control legislation...Latinos (70%), women (60%) and blacks (68%). These same trends track higher educated and younger Americans. Heck, even 75% NRA members support required background checks on all gun purchases. Ges, it appears you're following the same information bubble that created shock on the night of 11-06/12 for hard line, tone deaf republicans. The RP needs to change and not allow the NRA, bigots, Christian wackos, angry, afraid, old white men to put them out of business. The RP is less than one generation away of extinction. Finally, the discussion is about reform, smart control and restriction and not about throwing the Second Amendment out the window.

America still does not have a large enough amount of Crazy Socialist progressive liberals like you to do the things that you want to do. Your Brady stats do not hold water. And you will not touch the group of people who commit 2/3 (CDC 2011 study) of all violent crime with a 10 foot pole!
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

You just will never understand what "shall not be infringed" means!
Just wait and see what happens to your stats, if Obama actually does anything to Control legal guns more than they are! Obama will drive most Democrats over a cliff if they take that ride on his happy train!

Eddie it is you that do not have the ability to comprehend such a simple thing!
"Well regulated" means "well armed with the ability to use your arms in a competent manner" "militia" means all males between the ages of 18-40 ish. not sure of the exact age off the top of my head. There is no need to discuss what this means, just go read the articles of confederation (Google it), that will answer most of the misunderstandings you have !
So, if you want to bend things you could say men over the ages of 40 something & all women, do not have a Constitutional right to own a firearm, however, just because you do not have a Constitutional right to do or have something, does not mean you can't have or own it!.
This is the main problems with Liberals today, they take something simple then try to bend the words to make it fit their own agenda.

Eddie E and ges...has anyone referenced the SCOTUS ruling regarding District of Columbia vs Heller? If so, I've missed it. It's my understanding however that the Court ruled in favor of individual right to posses a firearm 'unconnected with service in a militia' and use of that arm for traditional lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home. The ruling was also decoupled from 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' Additionally 'militia' means the same thing today as when the BoR was adopted. So here is the kicker to the SCOTUS ruling...the term 'arms' is understood to mean weapons 'not specifically designed for military use and not employed in a military capacity." In other words we Do Not have the right to possess a fully automatic AK-47 under the guise to track down Bambi. So the SCOTUS overturned the District of Columbia's law that place an unconstitutional burden on Second Amendment right of citizens to bear arms for legitimate purposes. It DID NOT overturn laws restricting the types of weapons citizens may own. There seems to be a lot of confusion or memory lapse of the laws Not overturned. Thoughts?

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Lori, a normal 38 Special load out of a short barreled pistol is not that powerful, it can kill if it goes into the right place, but the front of the skull can be very tough as many loads will tend to hit then glance to the side! If using a 38 Special for defense you really need +P loads made for short barreled pistols, or just buy a 357 Mag!
Neck shots will not do much unless you hit the spine or sever an artery.
Center mass going into the heat lungs and liver would be an optimum hit.