Boycott anything and everything to do with Ms. Cobb!

William,
How many businesses that would profit from selling products or services to the Opposed City were contributors?
How many businesses are funding the Opposed City movement?
How many NoCity contributors want external, for profit businesses becoming overlords in our affairs?

No wonder Eddie and Ms. Cobb were "playing politics 101" and didn't want this list to come out in time for the vote!

Democrat DeKalb County operatives the lot of them.

Eddie,
I don't believe that anyone would deny that there are businesses that could profit by by providing services to a city if it is voted in that made donations to Brookhaven Yes. I do think that it is disingenuous to claim that no donors to No City could profit if the city was voted down. According to Mike Davis in a conversation we had a couple of days ago, one of the main reasons behind Dunwoody's move to incorporate was the fact that in the 10 years prior to incorporation 10,000 apartments were zoned by by the County in what is now the city limits of Dunwoody. Prior to this time the residential composition of Dunwoody was 93% single family residential and after these apartments were zoned their ratio is 57% SFR.

In no way am I trying to say that Mr. Cousins or Mr. Konas have done anything wrong whatsoever and in fact they have a history of developing very nice projects in my opinion. I would just like to point out that it could be a possible benefit to a developer to continue to work with the relationships they have currently that can approve zonings from afar than it would be to work with a city council & mayor that live within just a few miles of newly proposed projects.

Riley McLendon LLC

$5,200 to Brookhaven Yes & Brookhaven Ballot Committee

City attorneys for Johns Creek, Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Doraville, and Peachtree Corners.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Tim,
Given the already 'diluted' nature of the single family vs. apartments (you have driven down Buford Highway so I'm sure this is no surprise) the Dunwoody formula hardly washes in this case.
Otherwise, I can guarantee that neither Mr. Konas nor Mr. and Mrs. Cousins were worrying about building more apartments. Why would they want to pay for more empty apartments?
So are there any other people who would profit handily from the sweat of their neighbors by being left alone?

Dean,
I wasn't the least concerned about the report as I have nothing to hide.
I have been out front against this fool's errand from the first day it was mentioned and nothing has changed my mind.
Why should I be shy about what I know to be the truth?
Oh I forgot, because you TOLD ME?

Actually Eddie when it comes to you I'm impressed. I'm not joking, you've got your heart and wallet in this. Too bad you didn't include your head, ok that last part is a joke.

Tim - Zoning is controlled by your County Commissioner - Elaine Boyer. The "county" cannot zone anything. The county can determine if a proposed development (of any kind) is consistent with existing zoning, and they do that often in providing the "Staff Recommendation." The authority fo the local commissioner to control zoning is established by our home rule provision of the county charter. I can assure that any effort by the "county" (the adminstration or staff) to control zoning would be firmly rebuffed by the Commissioner.
I agree completely that "local control of zoning" was a stated issue. However, the District 1 Commission typically had applicants get "approval" from the DHA (ask them), before application was considered. Sometime the DHA recommendations where ignored, but not often.

NOCITY Democrat DeKalb county operatives are trying to stop Brookhaven.

Voters will see through this obfuscation.

How many NO City supporters stand to gain from DeKalb county? How dependent upon DeKalb county is a small business in Chamblee? More FUDge from the NO.

The fact that 5-6 wealthy families are attempting to hijack this election with deep pockets in order to protect their precious Brookhaven HIstoric name is the the heighth of snobbish and elitist behavior. Don't let these few snobs do it. And do not believe the 'small grassroots individuals' stuff put out by the NO group either. They are motivated by the status quo and aligning themselvers with DeKalb government. They are afraid to change! Vote YES on July 31!

See bottom of thread, HamBurger freaks out:

HamBurger 2:00 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Ms. Mary, LOL, we have never discussed the re-write of DeKalb Zoning. However, you may want to have a conversation with Max Lehmann as he is assisting with the zoning re-write for Dunwoody. Or, you can simply talk to your “other mind”.

Mary La Pannea 2:24 pm
Who is that?

I think you may have had a hamburger overload, rest and stay off the meat.

Mary La Pannea 4:57 pm on Sunday

So, Hamburger:

Why do you make it a habit of violating Patch Terms of Service by guessing at user identities? You have been asked by Patch Editor, Timothy Darnell not to violate their Terms of Service, evidenced by only your remarks being previously deleted.

You have lost the intellectual high ground by denying that zoning is a function of City government. Then desperately, you use a failing tactic by guessing at my identity. I am a stay at home Mom, and I ought to feel intimidated, but I have large dogs and military training, so bring it on, Mr. Hamburger. You big meatball.

Undeniably a City can change local zoning ordinances to reflect what the community would like to see regarding future development. You are wrong about zoning and your view points are tainted by rudeness.

You lose this round, suck it up and put your Big Boy Pants on!

Ms. Mary, I am enjoying watching you having your fun!

Cheerwine?

I hope so. It is ludicrous that 'Say No To Brookhaven' is now on the spot for not reporting "contributions" to stop a scheme the public had never asked for.

While incorporation of a municipality is not corporatism, it certainly serves to initiate and eventually subjugate the masses to the systematic authority of obsessively authoritative government on every level. Ex: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, present-day Mexico and, on the brink, the State of GA, USA and, indeed, Brookhaven.

Defining features of corporatist government are the forms and procedures, both formal and informal, employed to impose incorporation of even whole territories and their dissenting populations; ex: the MxGov in Mexico by its corporation of the Mayan Caribbean beginning with the founding of its then new municipality, Cancun, and, via a referendum imposed and under its control, the then new government of the Mx State of Quintana Roo (in 1974); and in the US (by the same MxGov agency and officials) beginning with the incorporation, in GA, of its "Institute of Mexico" (incorporated to "promote culture" but incorporating US governance to Mexico's by...

... that government's perceptible co-option of key US public office holders to, in effect, subsequently establish intermediary governments; via, if generally known by the public, their---at minimum---fatally compromising allowance for the provision to, and use by, the MxGov, of even US voter registration forms).

Among the procedures is the co-option of opposition, and whole zones, by the invention of a normally independent special-interest group by the incorporating government; followed by its referendums imposed and, ultimately, under its supervision.

It is ludicrous for 'Brookhaven No' to be put on the spot for opposing a proposal and even referendum not of the public's. Especially by persons, and a group, who refuse to even acknowledge, much less first bring to task, agents of a foreign power (headquartered within the bounds of the new city proposed no less) for obtaining, having and using still untold numbers of US voter registration forms.

Yet you not only insist on the public having confidence in Brookhaven Yes' city but also any and every referendum and election to come!

No.

"Democrat DeKalb County operatives the lot of them."--- Dean

Obviously you are projecting your own and cohort's inability to think INDEPENDENTLY!

Steve, how are Cousins and Post benefiting from lack of Code Enforcement in DeKalb? Have you seen their properties. They are all very nice and I highly doubt you'll find code violations at any of their properties. Please back up your claim with evidence if you have any.

Jordan,
He can't back up anything except his self-delusional hatred for Dekalb County Government.

Mr. Fox,

Agreed that Post and Cousins provide a quality product and are responsible owners that would resolve code violations. But even nice units are not built to a 'durable construction' standard that Chamblee imposes, including firewalls. All of these cost more, and therefore are not typically built.

The question becomes how many apartment homes do you want in Brookhaven?

Nobody can factually argue apartments draw heavily on transportation and education resources, can they?

“But even nice units are not built to a 'durable construction' standard that Chamblee imposes, including firewalls. All of these cost more, and therefore are not typically built.”

Ms. Mary, respectfully, this is not true. If you have an architect or general contractor for as friends, to your embarrassment, they would get a good laugh out of this.

Or, you could just ask Mr. Tim.

Special hamburger anyone?

@Hamburger,

Locally enacted building code that requires 'steel and concrete, with durable finish' for apartments over three stories, is not part of DeKalb code. Firewalls are not required. Add to that lower density limits and allowances for underground storage of run-off water. Each one of these characteristics is costly.

Cities that require them allow for higher quality apartment homes, fewer new developments will be able to meet the higher standard. That is one way for a local community to control apartment proliferation.

Your comment makes no sense.

This is not about No City supporters projects, they are good community actors. This is about high density impact on infrastructure we all must use and pay for, like roads and schools.

That's Common Sense 101!

Ms. Mary, what? Talk about a confusing comment . . . I hate it that you did not invite me to happy hour . . .

There are no “locally enacted” codes when it comes to construction. DeKalb recognizes International Building Code 2006 with Georgia amendments. All building designs that are permitted for construction in DeKalb observe these standardized building guidelines. No exceptions. See item I below:

http://www.co.dekalb.ga.us/planning/pdf/structure/comPlanRevChecklist.pdf

As far as fire walls go, International Building Code and NFPA 101-Life Safety Code is very strict as to their requirements. Get your hands on these two code books and you will see what I mean.

You might want to check your common sense before you post gibberish like you did above.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Mary,
I can only assume you are quoting from post 2005 Chamblee Code (since you reference Chamblee).
Now drive around and determine how many apartment units in Chamblee were 'grandfathered' and how many actually meet the current code.

Did somebody say happy hour? .... Some Friday humor. I kind of wish next Tuesday was the 31st. It doesn't seem like we are going to get any new meaningful information which will lead to threads devolving like on the previous article.

I'll tell you though if Brookhaven fails and TSPLOST passes I'll be disappointed, we won't see much of the 15% DeKalb cut from TSPLOST or if we do it probably won't be for something we really want. And the dealing with the county and GDOT on the 5 million for Ashford Dunwoody will be a Pain in the Butt

Eric,
I wouldn't worry about the T-Splost.
We are surrounded by far too many counties where the mentality of 'no taxes for any reason any time' will hold sway. Some day, I hope a few volumes are penned about the societal damage wrought by the 'woven tea container' crowd.

Why should he need to back up his claim when NO Eddie never backs up his rantings & lies? Robo NO Eddie at it again?

Dr. Joke,
What the teabaggers lack in intelligence they make up in RAW numbers.

Really?! I had no idea you were a tea bagger! Frankly, not my cup of tea.

So Eddie... Show us proof that businesses giving to YES are going to profit! You have none!

I think we're all intelligent enough to know that YES & NO businesses MIGHT stand to profit for doing biz in DeKalb and potential Brookhaven.

So Eddie.... Since you own a biz in Chamblee how will you profit? DeKalb? Brookhaven? Both?

@Hamburger

Don't be ridiculous, of course a city can enact it's own zoning codes. City codes cannot be less stringent than County code, but they can certainly be more stringent.

That's why the PAC for apartment developer opposes incorporation, and I surmise City No has apartment developers as it's leaders. Only a 'paid-for' political operative zealously argues the indefensible.

Shame!

Ms. Mary, must be happy hour again.

We were talking about construction and building codes. Now you are talking about zoning. Please, make up your mind. Yes, governmental jurisdictions do have flexibility with regard to zoning.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

@Hamburger....

OK I'll go s-l-o-w-l-y. . . .

Local focus on zoning will impact new development, as you agree: "Yes, governmental jurisdictions do have flexibility with regard to zoning," because within the the building quality can be specified under zoning 'permitted uses.'

You are pretty good at wordsmithing, obfuscation, and wriggling about a point when it doesn't suit your position.

People ought to realize that that CAN affect the future of their community by voting YES on incorporation, as you have agreed.

Ms. Mary, there was no wordsmithing, obfuscation, and wriggling going on in our conversation. You started talking about building construction and then you started discussing zoning, commingling your terms. Just make sure you use the right words and keep the conversation consistent and you will do just fine.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that everyone filed their campaign reports after voting started. It started July 9!

Enuf Govt, Eddie, etc al: Here is the answer to your lies.
and there are unions, family and friends (and girlfriedns for certain commissioners aides/friends, etc.)

http://www.ajc.com/news/public-pension-crisis-threatens-886685.html

http://www.pensiontsunami.com/regions.php?type=state&id=16

http://www.pensiontsunami.com/regions.php?type=state&id=16

PS: Boycott MISS "Sandy" Murray too...and anything she says....

AARP meeting time MISS 65 yo!

The New Brookheaven will speak on July 31st!

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-coo-fired-amid-605328.html

Ms. Murray - you are correct, including one special group that filed after the deadline and within the grace period. Early voting is great... My turn next week.

Hey! Here is some politics 101 for you!

Rep Mike Jacobs from 2012
Due on 6/30/12
Filed on 7/9/12
http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ReportOptions.aspx?NameID=814&FilerID=C2006000342&CDRID=65897

Gov. Nathan Deal from 2012
Due on 6/30/12
Filed on 7/9/12
http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ReportOptions.aspx?NameID=5753&FilerID=C2009000086&CDRID=66310

J Max Davis
Due on 9/30/04
Filed on 10/6/04
http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/voter/reports/house04/davis0904.pdf

Special hamburger and a Cheerwine while you research this?

& Bill Richards lives in Tucker!

not much over 60,
Didn't you say you live elsewhere?

And Sandy Murray could never get lected! Luvs the truth: ME! Luvs it, luvs it, Luvs it! He He He!

And they are sinking like a rosetta stone!

I hope they don't invade your space down in the sewer.

I should also say that it was explained that just annexing the commercial area is easier since all it takes it the property owner asking to be annexed. And that interest has already been expressed. Basically the highly lucrative Perimeter Summit takes its parks and police funding to Dunwoody if this doesn't pass.

Eric,
Perimeter Summit still looks like the place for a sprawling workforce housing development!

It would have to be highrise the land is too valuable there. But hey if you want to give away the police and parks funding generated by this lucrative area that works

JF: they could care less about you and your 150K home...

How about Dekalb explain where the 12 percent take of the Brookahven tax dollars go...things that make you go hmmmmh!

Jordan,
I promise I won't secretly profit from my neighbors just trying to get through life when the Opposed City fails!
Obviously, the yessers cannot make such a claim.

Whatever Seirra Club wannabe- I feel sorry for their membership!

not much over 60,

Keep typing so you can be wrong again!

Jordan-

How is pointing out who is funding the Yes DeKalb campaign a distraction? It's a revelation.

For months the community has had to listen to the Yes DeKalb group complain about city proponents being insiders and politicos and not grassroots. We've had to listen to the Yes DeKalb folks dodge questions about why they are so happy to continue having their city services provided by DeKalb instead of by a city.

And low and behold...the 'grassroots' effort turns out to be this:
-Historic Brookhaven residents (in DeKalb AND Fulton)
-Businesses
-Jodi Cobb, Jim Eyre, Carolyn Benton, and Eddie Elhert
-Three Democratic politicians that don't live in the area (Bob Roche, Steve Henson (D-Tucker), and Stephanie Benfield (D-Avondale/South Decatur)

That's it. That's the 'grass roots.' That makes up $67,226 of the $70,000 they have collected in cash and in kind contributions. You basically have massive donors to the Democratic party and Historic Brookhaven running the Yes DeKalb campaign.

Maybe they can afford to keep throwing more money towards problems in other areas of the county...I assume that is why they are Yes DeKalb.

The rest of our area, including Ashford Park, Drew Valley and all parts in between see the writing on the wall. We want better parks, better police, and better services from our tax dollars more than we want a victory for our party.

I'm choosing my community over any party. That's why it's a no-brainer to vote yes for Brookhaven.

I guess Hambuger is one of the big donor "persons of interest" or did not give? Hmmh?

Willam,
How is a group of neighbors (some of whom were adequately outraged to pay up) seeking to assist in the best interests of their community not "grass roots"?
Since there is not a profit seeking 'carpet bagger' among them, where is the impropriety?

Super Yawn... Same stuff, different day of FUDge!

"I promise I won't secretly profit from my neighbors.."

So good to know that you'll profit in the open Eddie! Wonder what others ways you profit? You've got to be doing it somewhere, lest you wouldn't have a biz.

Dr. Joke,
There's nothing I like more than exposing Foul Underhanded Double-Dealing!
How about your?

Oh little-minded Eddie Munster

I have no biz to profit! But you sure do!!! You profit so openly! So reveal it!!

Dr. Joke,
I put in my 12 hours every day serving the needs of my customers.
I really appreciate their trust and loyalty so it is the least I can do.
Do you understand what a good day's work is?
It might help you.

Unhinged Eddie.... Such anger and hatred in your voice... and so unnecessary! Unhinged, that Valium should certainly be due for you now.

So glad you work your 12 hour days everyday as you reported... What % of those hours are attributable to the county's favor? It must be difficult for you to work all those hours AND keep up your constant pace of selling FUDge to Brookhaven readers.

This is a better link to the No Brookhaven disclosure. You can find the others here http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ByName.aspx type in Brookhaven or Ashford at the bottom and click the "all other than Candidate Committee" selection

Wow 10,000 in polling? And they sure sent a lot of money to Virginia whats wrong with supporting Atlanta businesses?

Where's the cost of the nasty electronic billboard ?

Eric,
Would you hire a local pollster who is usually wrong?

I am glad they are spending money! Helps the economy! Spend it ALL! And then move! More $ Imlay$ and Kona$ and Cousin$! More Money; More More More!!!

You can't always get what you want! LOL! LUV$ IT!

I guess that's why you didn't get the job.

My goodness Eddie Haskell you continue to scream, lie & holler as an attempt to woo Mrs. Clever. You make nothing but judgments about others believing them to be true. It makes Dr. Jeff laugh at your stupidity too!

We know that laws our govts have established are things to adhere to as citizens. It is readily apparent that your ranting and wailing about those you perceive as your enemy is nothing but slimy red herrings to divert the issue from what some of the NO is probably doing. There is great humor that the wealthy historic club that's part of your NO camp are solidly in an industry where violations are known.

For me the issue is complicated and no matter the debate Dr. Jeff obeys the law since my integrity is not faked.

I'm sure when the owners are prepared (and when ICE receives adequate funding) all things will pass as necessary.
Until then, I'm sure the yessers don't want anything interfering with their access to sub-minimum wage labor to clean their homes and maintain their yard. Perish the thought that they would soil their hands with such tasks.

Eddie are you saying you support deporting everyone without papers regardless of how long they've been here?

BYE: Duke! RD! Such a sore player! You will be very sad on August 1. 1 thing is for certain I will never respond to you again after that day on patch! Thank god, what a huge waste of tiem and energy! For real! Embarrassed at how much of my weeks I have wasted responding to and about you!

Not to worry. My side will win! Isn't it your: Mare-e-Lame-lay Tea Time? Oh, wait your not in the Behind the Hedge Club? LOL! Forgot your in a 150k too!

Eric,
My views diverge on this issue with those of many of my DSA friends.
Until the law changes, we should obey the law.
Of course, that also applies to all facets of EMPLOYMENT LAW as well.
I'm sure they can figure out how to clean their houses and mow their lawns LEGALLY.

not much over 60,
I await the success of NoCity on July 31 and subsequently not being confronted with your constant, childish ankle biting any more either!

"I'm sure they can figure out how to clean their houses and mow their lawns LEGALLY."
Damn Eddie that's just nasty! They are doing much more than that and most work on the books these days, which is why the IRS for many many years has been giving out Taxpayer Identification Numbers TINs so that they can file taxes.

These good and hardworking people have been coming here for generations only to now get caught as political pawns that are used to cover up the squeeze put on the middle class caused by the negative effects of outsourcing and the growing concentration of wealth to unheard of levels in the hands of a few.

Hiding behind "its the law" ignores the failure of our legislature to reform it. Heck even Reagan dealt with it but the most recent attempt under Bush Jr. failed because of the scapegoating.

To make matters worse we've changed the rules in these southern states on those here.

The social security system is dependent on immigrants who are largely younger and of working age because our birth rate no longer supports our aging population. Or maybe you subscribe to Rick Santorium's solution of making citizens have more babies.

Give them a pathway to legal status. And as to those worried about the sovereignty of the country they can sleep better now since immigration from Central America is basically at a net 0 level now. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html

Eric,
I see your concern.
However, research the expenses for Dekalb County Schools prior to the 'bush depression' and it will astound you to find how much was spent on ESOL, ESOL transportation and all related costs.
I'm not demeaning the undocumented specifically, yet I have a major problem with the CRIMINALS that employ them. Employing an undocumented individual remains a CRIME and carries costs that are inadvertently passed on to ALL of us.

Eric,
And I hope you comprehend that I mean the entitled individuals in the Dun-Jilted Crescent can clean their own houses and mow their own yards!

So much more FUDge from the diva of FUDge Eddie... Who is so entitled with his FUDge stardom.

Dr. Joke,
Care to see some statistics on what part of the county hires the greatest number of undocmented?
Wouldn't it be a shame if ICE became adequately funded and their property was seized. Then it could be sold to Citizens who would obey the law.
Is obeying the law part of the yesser creed?

Bill Dunwoody has a legal right to the Perimeter Center? Can you cite something for that proposition. As I described Dunwoody can annex via the 2 routes laid out in legislation. Is that what you mean by a legal right?

And Chamblee will annex everything else? I highly doubt that.

Bill,
Days after the faulty CVI study was released, I attempted to point out this very issue (among others) that would consume the paltry estimated 'legal budget' in short order.
I do think HUD should look at a Workforce Housing High Rise at Perimeter Summit.
They would have my vote!

Bill Lowe: Still crying because he got his DECA feelings hurt.

Eric, I have not been able to find the legal documents that established the CID for Perimeter, but I can tell you what I overheard from a few birdies with ruffled feathers:

The words this small group of angry birds used when talking about the inside the perimeter portion of the CID was not "gold mine", it was "land mine". Something about the exclusion of a small portion of the CID inside of 285, but not including all of it within Dunwoody was a bad thing for the new city of Brookhaven.

The CID is currently shared with Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, and unincorporated DeKalb. It is supposedly drawn up to be a two party split. Three parties in the mix? I dunno. Might have some groups fighting over that.

If I am not mistaken, the CID was formed well before the city of Dunwoody was formed, but the two party split was already in place, just a change of a portion from DeKalb to the city of Dunwoody.

You might ask around to those in the legal know-how area of all things that are best for citizens as well as government within their area of representation if there is some truth to that, but you may not get any confirmation or denial, at least in public.

Who knows, maybe they were just feeding a wallflower. Or maybe I just happened to be invisible for a period of time whilst they were quietly talking among themselves.

Always have a backup plan. Chamblee is an established city, and there will still be the Brookhaven area, if you actually live in Brookhaven anyway.

Silly Billy, the Perimeter CID even includes a portion of Fulton County, it is multi-jurisdictional.

Find another Brookhaven "fact" to cry about.

Mr. Dean, you are embarrassing yourself. You clearly do not understand what Mr. Bill said!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I do hope that the BrookhavenYes supporters have been rattling some phones over the ITP Perimeter CID area.

The lawyers for Dunwoody are probably holding it off until after the vote to see if they have a competing city to do battle with. Might make more sense for both Brookhaven and Dunwoody if they do. Dunwoody may just threaten a lawsuit which may consume lots of legal fees for them and a struggling young city in the hope that Brookhaven just hands it over. Would make for some nice billing for the lawyers on both sides that is for sure.

What is that CID property worth inside the perimeter as far as yearly property tax income for a new city? 3 million? I don't know. Just guessing. Residential property taxes in DeKalb are typically 1.5% of the assessed value per year. Not sure what the commercial values are.

Do let us know what you find out, but be wary of asking the big cheifs of your potential sibling city as they might be unaware and the lawyers may be sitting on this knowing they get more income from a fight rather than a handover.

Looks like it is going to be a cloudy day in Brookhaven today. Might be a good day to get caught up on some indoor activities and other fun stuff. Hopefully the weather will be nice for the BrookhavenYes event tomorrow at Ashford Park between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. I hope there is a fence close by to the festivities so those that are eating hot dogs and BBQ can be on it while enjoying the fun.

Dig a deep hole, and bury this quickly.

Lowe contributes more FUD.

We know your feelin's were hurt Bill, but please think of your Brookhaven neighbor's wellbeing before you spread this type of crap.

THE GOTV effort on the 31st will be precedent setting.
I wonder if Sen. Millar will be at polling places attempting to verify registrations?

Burger-

Bowers and his firm have given the CEO, Burrell Ellis, $6,500 in the last year alone. Is there any wonder why the county renewed their $225,000 anti-city lobbying contract with our tax payer dollars?

How about the CEO accepting $1,000 from the COO of DeKalb, a direct hire paid by tax payer dollars and who reports to...gasp... the CEO...There certainly isn't any conflict of interest with our tax dollars, is there?

The CEO of DeKalb county has taken campaign donations from lawyers representing over 30 (THIRTY!) law firms in the past year alone! Law firms that are doing work for the county, the school board, and all parts in between.

For those paying attention, if the community of Brookhaven wanted to prevent our elected officials from hiring a law firm that donated to a candidate, we would have that power because our votes matter and there is accountability at the local level.

On the other hand, we have virtually no say on which one of the CEO's contributors gets the next county contract or gets to defend the inevitable lawsuit over soap box derby tracks or lawsuits over county supervisors assaulting employees at work...and as long as the county is run by Democrats and will protect 'historic' Brookhaven, the No City crowd apparently thinks that is fine and dandy.

Status Quo NO! Brookhaven Yes!

They must have known the implied conflict would be obvious from the outset.
However, this sort of behavior is expected in Florida.

Lowe Engineers

$2,250.00 to Brookhaven Yes

Provides services to Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Milton, and Johns Creek

Hey! We are just looking for more work! Status Quo Brookhaven Yes!

Please thin slice those pickles for me!

I love that sign . . . Brookhaven’s Time Square!

Yeah Baby! Special hamburger!

So tacky just like you and Eddie. "I mean so honest and sweet liek a bread an butter pickle".

New Brookhaven OVER the old anyday!

Literally figurtively & honestly!

So how much did it cost to support with that ad? I don't see it in disbursements disclosure.

Mr. Eric, aw shucks . . . just a little bit of computer hacking and reprogramming and it ain’t nothing but a thang!

not, you need to get your mind right! There is money for us in that there sign!

New Year’s Eve party with entertainment and New Year’s Eve count down . . . You have the drink concession . . . I have the special hamburger concession . . . We make money $$$ and we do it from city hall parking lot!

Special hamburger?

HamBurger, HA! Thanks but the last thing I want to do is sell drinks while watching a electronic sign simulation of a New Year beginning from the old Harris Teeter parking lot even if it means missing out on your finest grass fed burgers

Seriously though thanks to the seriously idiotic state legislature and their anti garden club bill giving away public land so that billboard owners can cut trees and so that cities and county's can't plant overstory shade trees that would block the view of billboards on their streets i've come to hate them and dislike those who use them. Not saying I dislike you guys, I mean generally, I mean i'm not buying one of those dang bangle bracelets from the jeweler at the mall because he's got a billboard and I certainly couldn't begin to tell you who that guy looks like that the FBI is after, as far as I know he was sitting next to me on the train this morning or in front of me getting coffee at Starbucks.

But hey the whole billboard thing is my special way of remembering Tom Black. We'll always have that.

From a BY meeting on May 11 it was mentioned that D’woody had $16M in reserves. In a memo to city council the city manager said D’woody had “accumulated over $7.5M in reserves since incorporating in 2008”. Where and how did an additional $8M end up in the reserves (especially after transferring some $2.3 out of reserves)? Could D’woody still be a viable city with our PCID? Is he on city time or personal time? If he is on city time at whose direction is he attending? Are his comments the official opinion of D’woody or his own?

Now that one deserves a double hoot!!

Chili cheese,
As opposed to the latest yestrash defiling solid citizens because they have the courage to buck the One Party State.
What you can't win at the ballot box, you want to DICTATE.
Right?

Smart voters will not fall for the combination of personal attacks and FUD that the NOCity DeKalb County Democrat operatives are spewing, and our area will soon reap the many advantages of cityhood.

Mr. Dean, you would be amazed at the number of Republicans that will be voting NO. These folks are wondering just who hijacked their party of less government. They feel it is better to change their existing government than to add another governmental layer. But then, just look at the party switches in recent years . . .

Walk the streets Mr. Dean . . . You can learn a lot about what folks really think.

You want that special hamburger to go?

Ashford,
Then apparently we need to CHARGE USER FEES to the adults using those fields, don't we?
Keeping the playgrounds open for the grownups has it's costs.

Dean,
Againg, FUD=Foul Underhanded Double-Dealing by the yessers and their corporate carpet-bagging masters.
Get with the program!

And the above from Eddie, the Dictator of FUDge!

No one throw his own FUDge better than you!

Dr. Joke,
You have been avoiding the truth for so long, I understand it is hard to grasp.

Munchin Eddie... You repeatedly holler that your truth is not FUDge... You place yourself above others to lead them to believe you are the great deliverer of truth.

You're blinded by your big mouth and all your incessant lies spewing forth from your sewer. I guess it's no wonder you're the diva Dictator of FUDge!

Chili Burger,
Hello. May I welcome you to the Brookhaven Patch - where character is King.
Through my extensive research on the topic of chili and the negative impacts it can have on the sphincter, in terms of spicy foods, two studies were performed that looked specifically at sphincter pressure and pH effect, but they did not demonstrate any effect. As with coffee and caffeine, there have not been any studies in which patients have been matched to controls and told to eliminate spicy foods from their diet in order to determine the effect on heartburn symptoms.
This could mean we have gotten to the root of your issue. Perhaps not. But then again perhaps...
Please understand sir that I am only concerned for your "bottom line", for I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium.

Mr. Carl, the real problem is he is a Sloppy Joe . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I can almost see you shaking your little fist!

Vote No, don't invite new carpetbaggers to 'contract' our neighborhood.

VOTE YES!! Keep the sewer dwellers in their Palace of FUDge!

Dr. Joke,
You realize that when the Opposed City flames out the carpetbaggers will quit sending you guys money, right?

While your NOCity masters will still be tight with the entrenched DeKalb County Democrat bureaucracy

The carpet baggers' great wealth resides in the tony enclave of Historic Brookhaven where money is doled out without a care in the world. Perhaps the great Dictator of FUDge Munchin Eddie is on their payroll to compensate for his efforts.

Smell that? It ain't charcoal, it's desperation.

Mark,
What about imminent success could be viewed as 'desperation'?

Mr. Mark, I understand, but you should really wait until after the vote to burn all of your BY signs and BY propaganda.

Speaking of desperation, your mailer today to Republicans in the footprint of the new city is amusing. Making a connection between No City and President Obama and Vernon Jones is a poor attempt at confusing the issue.

Folks think this is a party issue. It is not. This new city issue is transcending political and ideological beliefs for a common cause against more government.

The first mistake Rep. Mike Jacobs and C$ND made was not thoroughly vetting their proposed city with all of the affected citizens. The continuing mistake Brookhaven Yes makes is to treat these same citizens like they are stupid with your insulting robo calls and mailings.

I have heard Ms. Megan Myers Hanson on the robo calls . . . I understand she is a “Capitol Groupie”, please relay to her that she may not want to pursue a career in broadcasting . . .

Special hamburger and a Cheerwine?

No- 62%
Yes-38%
Yep, that's a charring!

Quite the contrary.
But, you don't want to tell the other little yessers the truth do you?

That's the thing about polls.
When you hire a pollster who will tell you what you want, you don't get your money back when they are WRONG.
Live and learn.

Mr. Chili Burger, hair done properly? How do you do bald?

Hey! Here is some politics 101 for you!

Rep Mike Jacobs from 2012
Due on 6/30/12
Filed on 7/9/12
http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ReportOptions.aspx?NameID=814&FilerID=C2006000342&CDRID=65897

Gov. Nathan Deal from 2012
Due on 6/30/12
Filed on 7/9/12
http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ReportOptions.aspx?NameID=5753&FilerID=C2009000086&CDRID=66310

J Max Davis
Due on 9/30/04
Filed on 10/6/04
http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/voter/reports/house04/davis0904.pdf

Special hamburger and a Cheerwine while you research this?

Ya put a big hair piece on it. Super duper glue should help because you wouldn't want any of it charred and passed off as a Hamburgular.

Please pass the disinfectant!

Dr. Joke,
It might be nighty night time because you are making even less sense than usual.

As if a FUDge making machine, such as yourself, would know the definition of making sense with his ranting and wailing of voluminous, senseless crud.

UHY Advisors

$1,000.00 to Brookhaven Yes

Provides municipal accounting, risk management, employee benefits to Dunwoody

Anyone want another Cheerwine?

I had the highest hopes for Burrell and voted accordingly. DAMN! So intelligent and capable but power corrupts. Studying the other candidates and not sure how I'll vote.

County Manager is the role to pursue. Otherwise, bankruptcy may be near.

All this anger because Dekalb County has the audacity to resist the strangling grasp of the one party state.
Why can't you understand there are people in GA not interested in buying what you have to sell?

Dictator Eddie... You so enjoy the name dropping of labels to increase & exceed your FUDge production. The labels are rooted in the hateful soul & sick mind of a miscreant named Unhinged Eddie. He does not know truth & instead generalizes his uber radical hate and anger toward good people. To the sewer with him and the manhole be permamemtly sealed!

Dean,

And therein lies your greatest problem.
You do not have the popular support to elect 'one party state rule' in Dekalb County, so, against broad opposition, you seek to DICTATE such authority.

OOPS!,
Should have been in the next response column.

A very legitimate question that you should discuss with your neighbors.
The answer to such a pressing question is not one to be unearthed after voting to support municipalization.
Just ask the folks in Peachtree Corne why their real budget exponentiated.

Why would six wealthy folks provide the majority financial support to the No City movement, and then delay disclosure of their support?

There is no conspiracy to ANY company donating to a campaign that may result in new business, especially when the donation is disclosed in a timely manner. Right or wrong, advocacy is recognized as a business development tool.

Doesn't it seem curious that No City financial and political support is heavily weighted with residential apartment developers? While some may be sanguine about apartments, others recognize the proportionally high, negative impact they have on education and transportation infrastructure.

Ms. Mary:

1 – They live here.

2 – They are not seeking work from what they hope will be a new city.

3 – They have no planned projects in the Brookhaven area.

4 – Late disclosures? Do I have to repost the disclosure dates from past J. Max Davis, Jacobs, and Deal campaigns?

Special hamburger and a Cheerwwine?

They are close with the entrenched DeKalb County Democrat bureaucracy.

BS they do have interest. Most of Buford hwy is apartment zoning and will be redeveloped one way or another, I.e. with regulations City, or not, Dekalb, I am so tired of Eddie and Hambergurs lies! I really despise Konas, Imlay and all the No liars!

Mary,
Now can we see the list of C4ND contributors and see how many of those interested in 'donating to a campaign' might also have been instrumental in creating a social upheaval for a metropolitan area with no interest other than feathering their own nest?

So much for the 'local control' part of the specious arguments.

It might be correct that the tony historic Brookhaven elite have no active projects planned in Brookhaven. However, unless any of you have been privy to their coming and going, we can't be certain if there are any projected, unannounced plans.

"They are not seeking work from what they hope will be a new city."

What a revealing comment... Specifically "what they hope will be a new city." Wow, the possibility that more NO's are hoping for a new city?

J. Patrick Hoban (Troncalli Motors) – Lives in Historic Brookhaven

$17, 545.00 to Brookhaven Yes and Brookhaven Ballot Committee

Can you say Police Vehicles?

Anyone want another Cheerwine?

Dr. Joke,
How much Foul Underhanded Double-Dealing do you guys have left?

Eddie Haskell... The FUdge is all yours and was never ours. Let us know when you are finished! Your anger & insults toward the fine & good people spins back for many months. So, we have not approached your track record. We're content to hold FUDders accountable for their attacks & lies.

Technology is wonderful = it's not working...

We have none and we do know that you & others have been FUDging all over the comment boards for at least 6 months. So we are content to take it to the finish line.

Well . . . Looks like another found this mailing rather odd as well. Chamblee54 has a quirky, eclectic, engaging blog with thoughts, opinions, mixed with a variety of photographs. Click the link and scroll down to see the thoughts of another . . .

http://chamblee54.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/brookhaven-yes-made-a-mistake/

Hey! If you thin slice those onions they will be much more flavorful!

From the blog . . .

“If the people who are going to run this new city think PG is a Republican, that will be influenced by this nonsense, then they are not smart enough to run a city. This is similar to the reaction to the bungling campaign for T-SPLOST. Is the road planning done by the same idiots who are running that campaign?”

“There are two important proposals on the ballot July 31. T-SPOST is plagued by an incredibly incompetent ad campaign. Those who support a new city of Brookhaven are making the same mistake. It would be nice to decide these issues on their merits, instead of reacting with anger to an insulting ad in your mailbox. There are eleven days until the vote. “

This gentleman is not unique in his thinking . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I got a chuckle from seeing Hamburger, the chief Patch proveyor of Patch personal attacks and the first FUDrucker talking about voting based on the Merit of cityhood.

Um, all of the Brookhaven no peeps are in bed with he dems, Vernon, Ellis et all, look ar Ellis meet and greets all have Nos have been there...Hamburger is such a liar.

That's not a mistake it is true!

So everyone can remember:

FUD for the yessers = Foul, Underhanded, Double-Dealing.

They think that it's OK!

You are fooling no one, Mr ehlert, FUD is Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, which your group, NOCity which is a collection of Democrt DeKalb bureaucracy backers, has been trying to confuse voters with their well funded campaign, but Brookhaven voters are too smart to fall for it enmass.

Dean,
You make up any imaginary term you wish.
The Corporations funding the effort to create upheaval in our neighborhoods are a clear and present danger if accidentally given authority!

Dean,

For the yessers, I also like Fools Under Delusion.

I thought it would take me quite a bit of time to uncover the mystery.

And then Dean provided an unexpected gift. And it's crystal clear.

I don't disagree, use of advocacy for business development is a huge issue, with Citizens United, being the McDaddy case in point.

In my opinion, your point is misstated. You suggest that an employee of a pol donor stands to gain by incorporation. The donation may or may not actually help as the donor may not become a new City vendor. If you work for one of those companies, employees can still vote their conscience. Employers cannot legally compel employees to vote a certain way, though suggestions are given. I don't like that very much, either.

There is no guaranteed benefit to ANY political donor. That said, the very fabric of American political process is deeply affected by the ability of a corporation to contribute to a campaign, as a 'person.'

Glad you brought this issue up on the Brookhaven decision, it affects EVERY SINGLE VOTE from now on.

Greg,
If I may, let me modify the question:

Do the Citizens of the Opposed City footprint think it is OK for any corporation, local or out of state, to participate in initiating, funding, and supporting a takeover of local government that primarily benefits the corporate interests, reduces police protection, increases taxes and has virtually no effect on 'parks'?

Or to quote the second place finisher in this fall's Presidential Election:

"Those corporations are people my friend."

The real and only question is are you happy with corrupt Dekalb governance. That's the only thing to consider! Or do you want a better place and community improving our lives and property values.

Greg, the NOCity DeKalb bureaucracy backers likely have a vested interest in a no vote, and have injected more than twic he money into this campaign to spread their personal attacks and to try to foster FUD. Direct your outrage appropriately.

The AJC has a spectacularly enlightening article on the Public Service Commission races that help to explain the long term dangers of accepting campaign funding from those with direct interest in establishing and continuing a given political process.
It might be a good reading assignment for everyone planning to vote on July 31.

If you really feel a company trying to expand their market by contributing to a pro city group creates a problematic conflict with the those who would be elected to run the city then vote for the candidates that were not in the Brookhaven Yes movement.

Given the contentious debate in this matter and the well funded opposition I'm sure we will have tons of candidates to choose from.

Eric,
As long as people vote NO on July 1, they can pick the imaginary candidate they choose thereafter!

Change is scary, but voters will see the truth of it and pass Brookhaven.

Dean,

Change isn't scary if the change is positive for ALL involved.
Using the resources of many to subsidize the vanity off the few isn't 'scary' it's an OUTRAGE!

This change is positive for ALL but the Democrat DeKalb county bureaucrat operatives (are you one?)

Dean,
Political Operative - No
Politician - No
Proud GA Democrat - You Betcha'

Interested in being under the thumb of an oppressive city - NO

I believe you Eddie.

You seem sincere. You are just misguided.

Dean,
Not misguided at all.
Just carefully observant.
I am able to observe and demonstrate the damage done to GA since 2003 by the 'One Party State' and I live in an area where the Citizens have been clear that they want none of it.
When will you wake up to the obvious truth that the entire leadership of State Government has been a failure since 2003?

What the Cities of Sandy Springs, Dunwoody and Chamblee do offer us are examples of why city governments deliver police, parks and planning, development and zoning (plus road/sidewalk) services better and at a fair price.

Will we be paying $50 or $100 more a year or $50 or $100 less? The amount depends on the value of your house, but who knows. It depends on how much more we end up wanting to spend on parks, police and roads/sidewalks. The 3.35 is a cap. With the other revenue streams such as HOST being higher there's no reason we can end up with a millage cap well below 3.35 mils

We aren't reinventing the wheel we are now traveling down a well trodden path.

And the debate over who's numbers are accurate continues.

Do any of the mailers define the difference between the County's revenue number which reflect 'actual' collections and the yessers 'projections' which include hopeful and unlikely notions of 100% collection?

I haven't seen that covered in either mailout Eddie. And yes there is plenty of room for debate where the taxes will end up in each scenario.

But there is little to debate about the contention the No City Brookhaven mailout was full of misleading information. It was. I'm not mad, after all its just "politics 101" by the "grass roots" Historic Brookhaven No City group.

Do you have any grey poupon my fine sir?

I would only trust Deadkabs numbers if an outside accounting firm came in, which I think is what is needed, each and very year!

not much over 60,

You do realize Dekalb's numbers ARE the basis for current Services Funding don't you?
Any group can request a CVI study (provided they are willing to PAY for it) and engineer the 'study' to provide whatever results they seek.
If you have any questions, consult ANY of the happy citizens from Peachtree Corners.

The CVI estimate was conservative, Brookhaven will enjoy a more stable, conservative governance like our Sandy Springs and Dunwoody neighbors once our smart citizens pass cityhood on July 31.

Dean,
As was the same line of horse rubbish sold to the 'happy people' in Peachtree Corners.

Thank you Eric!

Dr. Joke,
You guys have a full opportunity to supply:
1-An audited, verified, updated CVI with citations for any claims.
2-A full listing of the C4ND contributors and their business affiliations.

Or you could quit whining and just get ready to lick your wounds after a week from Tuesday!!

Eddie show me your accounting degree and statistician certification, don't you fix old cars, scary that we should believe you, I even question your IQ and most of those who work at Dekalb, many that's what we need to improve govt: IQ tests, must score above 60

not much over 60,
Show me the truth and make some sort of good faith effort to prove the yesser lies and I won't have any reason to poke holes in your bag of air now will I.
Just how stupid did you think the people living in the Opposed City footprint were?
Shame on you!!!

Deaklb is bloated and corrupt and that will never such age unless the state takes over.

Diva Eddie.... Just gripes, gripes, gripes.... Don't know why you see the need to require me to do anything! You've been around from the beginning of this effort shooting your mouth & slinging the FUDge. You and your minions have been involved a great deal in the opposition effort. You've had more than enough time to commission your own study. But you didn't and instead you screamed & hollered about flaws, flaws, flaws. You had the chance & the time but you didn't have the guts to get one done. Why? Because you couldn't handle the responsibilities of sharing the results and then suffering browbeatings by those that don't agree or don't care.

You and your minions have far more fun attacking & insulting than doing anything constructive and beneficial to our communities.

East Atlanta was annexed into Atlanta in 1915. Tucker might react to Brookhaven and try to become the largest city in DeKalb and Stonecrest is a mall development. A city named after a mall? A city of Brookhaven will mean downgraded police services. No thanks!

I still don't know why this whole fools errand isn't called either 'Dun-Jilted' or 'Lynwood'.
Why is that?

Eddie and enuf and hamburger how many more lies how many more scare tactics it is really getting old! You really are lame!

Calvin, Giordano, & Associates (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)

$10,000.00 to Brookhaven Yes

Provides municipal services to Dunwoody

For those paying attention, this is the firm Mr. GuruLikeDrucker used to work for in Dunwoody. He certainly has been quiet lately!

Please pass the thin sliced onions!

not much over 60,
Since when is telling the truth a 'scare tactic'.
We have a year long campaign to sell this bag of crap which was never anything more than a 'scare tactic'.
Get real or get a new address!

By the way, Mr. GuruLikeDrucker (very egotistical, no?) lives in Drew Valley.

Special hamburger Guru?

Don't let Eddie win, he is nothing but a farce. So sad

Apparently, the soccer teams and baseball teams need to be charged substantial user fees to repair the damage they regularly inflict upon the surface strata.
I wonder why the county has been slow to implement these type of fees which are common around the Metro Area.
Could it be that the Dun-Jilted are 'too important' to pay for the damage they inflict?
It certainly appears so.

Maybe the obese ms Benton can tend the fields, lol!

Especially when those Fiat/Chryslers aren't just flying off the lot!

Go get your check from Mary and Chuck, you are doing a great job spreading their propaganda, lies, and smut.

not, just how is “m” doing? Is he still in Europe?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

not, very strong statement.

That is something I would wish on no person. Watching a loved one die from cancer is one of the most painful things I have ever gone through in life.

No after comment, only a thoughtful prayer . . .

THE DELETED COMMENT:

not one of 60
8:13 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Bite me loser. I hope u get cancer.

THE RESPONSE:

HamBurger
8:39 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

not, very strong statement.

That is something I would wish on no person. Watching a loved one die from cancer is one of the most painful things I have ever gone through in life.

No after comment, only a thoughtful prayer . . .

Folks, here we have another personal attack from "Hamburger", part of the NOCity DeKalb Democrat bureaucracy.

We can safely ignore this bit of FUD

Mr. Dean, please point out the factual inaccuracy in my post. Regarding the personal attack, clearly you do not receive Brookhaven Yes mailings and robo calls.

For the record, I am extremely conservative in my beliefs. However, I am not alone in the pursuit of derailing this new city idea from Rep Mike Jacobs whom I have heavily supported in the past. There are other conservatives that are just as disturbed as I am. Please . . . More government?

Look at the party flip-floppers. Just where is what was once my party?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hamburger, as long as you defend the NOCity Democrat Dekalb bureaucracy who have pumped over double the money into their FUD campaign with personal attacks you are not part of the solution.

Mr. Dean, so you recognize that there is an extreme fissure in the Republican Party in the footprint of the new city regarding this new city matter?

I have been all over the new city area and believe me, this is not a party issue. I have been astonished with the number of conservative folks that have told me they are taking the Democratic ballot on the 31st.

Sure folks are taking he Dem ballot...in order to vote against Ellis and the entrenched DeKalb Democrat bureaucracy.

Mr. Dean, additionally, to vote against Rep. Mike Jacobs!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Mr. Dean, hey, are you special enough to be a part of the Brookhaven Yes in crowd? Or, are you one of the many camp followers?

Still waiting for you to make a substantial, positive post with regard to your new city. Otherwise, you are like a young man child saying “Go Brookhaven Yes, and can I have another Miller bruuuaaaaah!”

Really, Mr. Dean . . . Get involved in your existing county government and make a difference. You are still going to be in DeKalb regardless of the vote at the end of the month.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

As the esteemed Mr. Dean would say:

Mr. HamBurger, FUD, FUD, FUD. All you are is FUD. You know nothing but FUD. FUD, FUD, FUD . . . And, your special hamburgers are FUD!

And, you are a Tory . . . I know that this is from another century, but you are, you are a Tory

===

Sorry Mr, Dean, just had to beat you to it . . .

Cheerwwine?

Ms. Mary:

1 – You were confused about construction and building codes, I made clarifications for you.

2 – We never had a disagreement with zoning codes.

3 – Zoning will not change with incorporation. A few will be making decisions and there will be folks that will not like the outcome. Besides, isn’t a pro-city advocate involved with the current zoning board for our area?

Regarding your infatuation with local control of zoning, are you aware that one of the prime reasons the city of North Atlanta was dissolved was because of a select few zoning as they liked much to the dissatisfaction of many? The documentation is at Oglethorpe University where all of the old city documents are stored.

There are a few folks planning your new city with the majority of the residents being left out in the dark.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Factually, Dekalb re-wrote it's zoning to increase residential loading onto educational and transportation systems, as documented HERE: Note lack of public input!

County Zoning Rewrite Underway
November 20, 2008

DeKalb County began the process of rewriting the entire chapter of zoning code to support the new Comprehensive Plan that greatly increases density throughout the county. The plan cannot yet control elements like density, height, space until the existing zoning codes are eliminated. The Pond Company was selected as the consultant in charge of rewriting the county’s zoning code. The project is scheduled for completion by September 2009, and the only planned meetings where the public will be able to provide input will occur during the first week of December 2008.

Ms. Mary, LOL, we have never discussed the re-write of DeKalb Zoning. However, you may want to have a conversation with Max Lehmann as he is assisting with the zoning re-write for Dunwoody. Or, you can simply talk to your “other mind”.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

You actually do NOT have integrity, really nothing you say can be trusted, Mr. mean ol' MeatBall.

So, Hamburger:

Why do you make it a habit of violating Patch Terms of Service by guessing at user identities? You have been asked by Patch Editor, Timothy Darnell not to violate their Terms of Service, evidenced by only your remarks being previously deleted.

You have lost the intellectual high ground by denying that zoning is a function of City government. Then desperately, you use a failing tactic by guessing at my identity. I am a stay at home Mom, and I ought to feel intimidated, but I have large dogs and military training, so bring it on, Mr. Hamburger. You big meatball.

Undeniably a City can change local zoning ordinances to reflect what the community would like to see regarding future development. You are wrong about zoning and your view points are tainted by rudeness.

You lose this round, suck it up and put your Big Boy Pants on!

Ms. Mary, I am enjoying watching you having your fun!

Cheerwine?

Mr. Bill, LOL, thank you for the report, glad you had a good time! I was thinking about going, but my experiences at all of the Brookhaven Yes events have left me with the feeling that I have lost time that I could never recover and best spent elsewhere. I am glad you enjoyed yourself. And, one has to remember, the best BBQ and hot dogs are not the ones that are for free . . . Or at a desperate fund raising event . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I saw you, Bill. I looked right at you - your skin is pale, drawn, do you EVER work out?

You looked worried, unapproachable, and when I smiled, you looked away.

Next time!

Mary,

I am a red head, but not a stepchild. My skin is not conducive to tanning. Typically pale, but if I am careful and get a little sun at a time, I do actually tan. Today was one of those days where I did not remember to wear any sunscreen, so I kept myself in the shade as much as I could.

Not sure about the working out question. I have a high energy level and stay moving most of the time with walking or standing. I have never intentionally worked out in a gym, only shown that I could operate the machines if I had to or won a bet because someone thought I could not lift a certain amount of weight.

My companion, who notified me of the looks I was getting, may have just clued me into what was going on as she is an excellent reader of strangers from a distance. I don't think I was worried, but more uncomfortable. She did not feel very comfortable with the vibe directed towards me and decided it was time to go and vacated for the car. I would have liked to have stayed longer to try some BBQ, but her advice about people is accurate to the point of being scary, so I generally follow her lead.

I'm actually a nice human being and believe I am approachable and can return smiles when given to me. It is not likely you were ignored, I was probably just oblivious at that moment. It happens.

What do you expect when you aren't a good neighbor?

TMI. Odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKKvnA47aU
(And it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(Here it goes again)
Paranoia, the destroyer

Dr. Dr. help me please, I know you'll understand
There's a time device inside of me, I'm a self-destructin' man
There's a red, under my bed
And there's a little green man in my head
And he said, "you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
'Cause there's a man in ya, knawin' ya, tearin' ya into two."

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
Destroy your friends, destroy yourself
The time device of self-destruction
Light the fuse and start eruptin'

(Yea, it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(Here's to paranoia)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(Hey hey, here it goes)

Folks... I have no clue who Mr. Bill is; however, let's give him a break. Seriously, if the guy is all skinny, pale, and looks like he needs to work out, then he really needed that good BBQ!

And Bill, don't worry so much about the strange looks from the males. I mean, they are probably like all jealous of you or something like that.

I love that your female companion is such a great psyCHIC too! You are in safe hands with her around cuz she can like read all those things I think they call vibes and stuff. I wish I had one of them to help me out at my next reunion. Does she travel?

Oh, by the way! I don't know if you or your friend know it but there's a gallery named after you in Atlanta! And, another one in Santa Monica!

I bet everybody would be nicer to you if they knew that!

Bill,

Always remember, that is 'Imaginary Opposed City'.

Dean,
In what universe does a 'good neighbor' attempt to FORCE one's will upon their neighbors?

It seems the yesser lie-fest was what I had expected.
I'm glad I had something important to do instead.

Of course I've got to know, did the donations flow in and was there a C4ND table so the initiators of this nonsense could be recognized?

Bill,
It sounds like your park visit was a mixed bag. I am glad you felt neighborly enough to come visit with the "enemy" and it is unfortunate if any of them were immature enough to try to stare you down. It amazes me how nasty some neighbors will be with each other over this issue so I am glad to hear someone with a No City opinion at least could partake…if only with a cookie and Capri Sun.
I am also glad you thought the park looked to be in pretty good shape. That brings up an excellent opportunity to let you know that the neighborhood regularly gets together to keep our park in that condition. Mulching, weeding, edging, trimming, planting flowers, bushes, and trees (along with watering them on a schedule) has been a regular thing for the community and not the county. The building itself is there only by the efforts, and in large part, funding of local individuals. Even the stone steps leading from Redding Road up into the park were placed by Ronnie Mayer to give access from the Caldwell Road crosswalk directly into the park.
I don’t think the county willfully neglects this area nor has any malice towards us. It is simply a function of us coming together as a community and willing to take up the slack that allows them to do so. It would, and maybe will, be nice to have park clean up days where we only have to plant a few flowers and clean up a couple problem spots instead of doing the heavy lifting.

It was certainly an interesting experience. I am familiar with The Kinks. A great song to cover and surprised it has not already been rehashed by some modern "artist" and splattered all over the radio.

There is certainly some power in being an anonymous person online. I believe my experience in person would have been different if I did not identify myself online with my real identity. Those that are in the public eye that were at the event yesterday were not the ones passing the glare. They are easily identified because they openly stand for what they believe in with their true identity both online and in real life. They do earn their respect in that regard that cannot be denied.

Getting back to the Kinks....I do worry about win or lose with the city that there will be division within the community and in some cases retribution over the outcome of this vote. That retribution can only occur to those that identified themselves with their real names whether for the city or against it in the online world or real world.

In some cases this is something to be concerned with. I guess I have gleaned a little perspective on how the life of a politician is and see their concerns. Certainly enlightening.

I have no relation to the Lowe galleries or Lowe Engineering.

I do agree that using your real name tends to keep one honest and civil as you still have to see your neighbors on a day to day basis. Using an alias tends to make for some sad "keyboard commando" tactics.
As far as post election retribution, I would be more than happy to hold representatives accountable for mistreating constituents whether they vote Yea or Nea for the city.
If the vote is No, I will continue to live as I have over the last several years, working and trying to make the best with what we have. If it is Yes, we all should put aside our differences and work together to make this a better community.

Bill I've been to the last two Brookhaven Yes Q&A information sessions and there are plenty of folks there identified as No City, including Sandra Miller who was able to capitalize on Brookhaven Yes' funding of the Cross Keys event and set up a table.

There are lots of people on here readily identifiable on both sides of the coin. True there are lots of anonymous posters, and I tend to discount them. Though I do wonder about Hamburger who obviously has a very good information pipeline with insiders or people close to insiders (not meant as an insult Hamburger I respect your access to information). And true you seem to be the only identifiable poster who doesn't live in the proposed city boundary and who doesn't support the Brookhaven Yes people - personally if I was you I wouldn't have taken the Capri Sun or Cookie since you don't live in the area so can't vote and you are actively working against the Brookhaven Yes movement.

Anyway, don't worry yourself about divisions after the fact. They will fade. Though I do agree with that anonymous poster that you seem either Paranoid or maybe you are doing a Ms. Mesh maneuver and just spreading BS.

Actually let me take a step back on the Divisions. This has raised questions for me relative to some of the DeKalb Dems running the county, particularly the Decatur in crowd. Maybe its just because I hold my team up to a higher standard, yes I know that's me being naive again.

Mr. Eric, the fact is I do live in the proposed new city. Although I am opinionated, I am not known to be a political activist. However, this new city business really woke me up and here I am. If I did not live in the footprint of this proposed new city, I would not waste any time pro or con for this movement. I am familiar with the players of this new city business, and the reaction Mr. Bill received at Ashford Park yesterday will be the norm, not the exception if this new city passes.

I am not afraid of the unknown, however, I am extremely concerned with the behavior of the C$ND and Brookhaven Yes crowd and their handling of the development and promotion of this new city venture. I do not feel comfortable with a wide open HB 636 being controlled by a yet to be known group of Brookhaven Yes people. I know how they operate.

Hey, where is Rep. Mike Jacobs? Was he at the Brookhaven Yes gathering yesterday?

The Kinks . . . Nice morning starter, brings back a memory or three!

Man! Please pass me some of those special hamburgers!

Is there a possibility that folks at a picnic, particularly males, would NOT know who a self-important red headed male is? Evidently I missed an important event!

For YES & NO's fully identifying themselves on the great Patch of land... if I see you at Chamblee city hall for early voting, then I'll most certainly introduce myself & shake your hand... unless, of course, they are unclean.

Phil,

I can only assume you have lived here for a very, very long time because the CEO form of government has been in place for a very, very long time (maybe it's the change in complexion of he CEO that causes you such a problem).

That the referendum includes a large section of the County that was never asked, polled, question, courted, or in any way was any effort made in advance to determine their leanings, it is a bit of a 'force'.
A secret group of 'donors' requested a very specially tailored study from the Carl Vincent Institute to reflect if the unlikely conditions in the questions asked were to occur, then would there be adequate funding to cover the inadequate services as queried.

Therefore, I can only hope all the 'real' polls are correct and that the predicted HUGE voter turnout will VOTE SMART and VOTE NO!

according to No City Brookhaven campaign disclosure report that was filed last Friday, well after the Monday Due Date (but before today's end of the "grace period) they've spent a lot of money with a Virginia Based company doing polling, though none of them have been released. I have no what type of polling it is. And as you know if you've ever been polled it can be .......

Mr. Phil, the Brookhaven Yes mailer last Friday made many think that this mailer was not thought out very well, sent confusing signals, and had nothing to do with the proposed new city.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Mr. Phil, the CEO style of government in DeKalb was started in 1981 and it was modified in 2008. How many referendums have there been before the voters to abolish this form of government? Can you give the dates for the votes?

Special hamburger?

Hamburger I believe is correct on the referendum to abolish the CEO style of government. There have been many attempts to get the referendum on the ballot but all have failed. I remember when the DeKalb Civic Coalition made a real strong effort to build up awareness about the issue, unfortunately in a county the size of DeKalb its tough to do draw attention to these topics that are admittedly technical or dry.

Hamburger is not correct about the Yes Flyer last Friday, it was not from Brookhaven Yes but from the other Yes group. Though I do agree it wasn't well thought out and I guess the used the Newt Gingrich Primary win last June to determine Republicans because I got one. (Really Georgia? Newt?)

The No City Brookhaven flyer on the other hand sure had a lot of statements that you really have to stretch for. But hey its "Politics 101" I won't 2nd guess the pros.

Mr. Eric, you are being very disingenuous if you think there is a difference between the Brookhaven Ballot Committee and Brookhaven Yes beyond registration. Check out their registration information, contributions, and expenses and tell me with a straight face that they have nothing to do with each other. If you like you can draw a division between the two and say that Brookhaven Ballot Committee does the “dirty work” of Brookhaven Yes, no?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hamburger, who do you do 'dirty work' for?

You are the only contributor who frequently guesses at the real id's behind online persona's.

I am sure the nice folks at Patch/AOL would prefer that they did not get hassled for your repeated violations of their rules.

You are not an idiot, you are a professional pol operative, or at least trained like one.

Hamburger I may be wrong but I'm not being disingenuous. I do not believe the board of Brookhaven Yes is approving the mail outs. They seem more intelligent than that.

I would be happy to engage in further discussion regarding disingenuous things surrounding the campaign, but frankly you've got me at a bit of an advantage seeing how I have no idea who you are, what your motivations are, what your astrological sign is or what's your favorite music group. I only now you have a fascination with pushing America's unsustainable and unhealthy over consumption of red meat, aw shoot I don't even know that - maybe that's another reference that's I'm not privy too.

Phil,
You can refer to Gwinnett and Cobb as having smaller rations of 'staff-to-taxpayers' but it is foolish to refer to either of our mismanaged, backwards neighboring counties as 'efficient'.
Not to Phil, I don't care what those counties do, I don't want to live there, that is why I live here where things are quite different and a bit more Civilized.

What's the matter 'babbling beef,' you don't like the questions so you slink back to your shadowy, not-so-anonymous hole?

Are you Jack Abramoff?

"Jack Abramoff pled guilty to corrupting public officials, tax evasion, and fraud; and served three and a half years in prison. Today, he's a symbol of how money corrupts Washington."

Prolly not, he's better at this than you. Jackie-boy wouldn't leave as many clues as to he/she/it's true identity.

Mr. Everyman, I am just that simple little old charcutier, specializing in special hamburgers, me!

I pick up a lot of information at the hardware store chewing the fat around the cracker barrel, sitting at the drugstore soda fountain, visiting with the boys at the fire station, on Saturday’s at the barber shop and at the after church socials. Interesting thing about those church socials, if you pay attention to the serving dishes, you keep up with which ones hold the best food!

But, let me divulge my best source of information. With regularity, late at night, I am visited by an apparition. I am awakened by the strain of an electric motor in a golf cart. The golf cart rocks back and forth above me as I awaken. Sitting in the golf cart is a rotund man, speaking in tongues, with an outstretched hand, palm up. And, in the palm of that cherubic yet hellish hand is a fat, round cockroach translating what the rotund man is saying. I listen and am amazed at the insider revelations being made!

I know it is odd and freakishly surrealistic, but that is my story, and I am sticking to it!

Cheerwine and a special hamburger?

Burger-

In your thousands of posts, I missed your platform for how the county will fix its delivery of municipal services to our area so we get more than .20 on the dollar.

Help me out with that. What is your plan?

Mr. William, when this city vote fails, you and I are going to contact the Brookhaven Yes folks and organize to make changes ion our existing government . . . And school system . . . Like Rep. Mike Jacobs should have encouraged to begin with!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

That's your plan B? That somehow we will be able to reverse 20 years of county mismanagement by 'organizing' better?

Why don't you have Imlay pay to put that on a flyer?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Plan B. What a joke.

"Mr. William, when this city vote fails, you and I are going to contact the Brookhaven Yes folks and organize to make changes ion our existing government . . . And school system . . . Like Rep. Mike Jacobs should have encouraged to begin with!"

Ha! that's the funniest thing I've read in a very long time. Not you and William working together the other part.

BTW you do realize these problems have been around long before Mike, heck before even Vernon. As I recall Vernon got the endorsement of the Dunwoody Homeowners Association.

Ok now i'm just being flippant. Hamburger you are right the need to fix the schools and the county will still exist if the City of Brookhaven happens. After all it doesn't change the School System and most of our services will still be coming from the county.

Eric-

But this isn't about schools or the services the county will still be providing...this is about municipal services...police, zoning/code enforcement, parks, paving.

All of that other stuff will still need work, no doubt about it. I've got 5 kids b/w my family that are on track to be a part of DeKalb's schools...so I'm ready to roll on those issues when Burger is...

HOWEVER, that's not what incorporation is about. It is about taking a small and simple step...placing municipal services into the hands of a local municipality. And to me, that choice is an easy one.

William I agree.

Oh well, both are in cities on the 'Boycott List'.

Gas up the Mazda and live a little Eddie, go 'zoom-zoom.'

everyman (anonymous yesser)

Don't spend money in Dunwoody or Marietta. It is better for the conscience.

Or will it become a sprawling high-rise for work-force-housing?

Hope you know more about Mazda's than you do about trying to make an office building into a residential apartment.

That is a dumb comment, man.

everyman (anonymous yesser)

The comment is about greed and the societal dysfunction it creates.

The sound you now hear is a huge, wheezing guffaw. Eddie and HamBurger, after this epic battle of words, you both lost today. And you really ought to buy me a new monitor, this one has Coke on it!

Ham's dream revelations are truly unsettling, please tell me that nobody takes this windbag seriously.

Eddie, you are killing me here: 'greed and societal dysfunction' SEE: Large County government holding back a Region or GOOGLE DeKalb Corruption.

Wow, I have to believe anyone in Brookhaven who is looking for voting information has sense enough to look at the positive and good things local governance can bring to the table.

HamBurger it is a wonder you sleep at all.

everyman (anonymous yesser)
It seems every possible tactic around the edge is being used to lull our area into the permanent tentacles of the one party state.
Carping over a piece of real estate that is clearly excluded from Dunwoody is just another tactic.
Has anyone spoken with Tom Taylor recently about why he wanted this to happen quickly so he wouldn't have to add (service consuming) neighborhoods to Dunwoody and set aside the notion of reduced taxes once and for all?

Just as there is 'zero' evidence that services would improve or become any less expensive or that our expenses relative to occupying our property would diminish should the Opposed City come into being.

I'm sorry you guys have such a gut wrenching distaste for the County, a County we would still be part of with an Opposed City.

Of course should the Opposed City pass, I'm sure you will find a willing set of 'do nothing' legislators to carve you out a brand new county!

I do so look forward to this nonsense failing on July 31 and get back to important issues.

Vote WISE, VOTE NO!!

Eddie-

Brookhaven offers an opportunity to fix the bucket by keeping our tax dollars for municipal services local. Whether it is $25M or $22M or whatever revenue number you and the county want to cook up, you can't argue with the simple fact....100% of that money is spent locally. Period. That isn't the case with the county provided municipal services.

Again...keep making my point for me. You either are in complete denial about our municipal services or don't have a plan...frankly, either scenario is terrifying. That's why I'm happy to have a Plan A...Brookhaven.

William,
Fix the bucket?
With what, a wicker basket of hope and change?
I get that you hate the county, I am just not willing to put my property at risk to suit YOUR disorder.

Eddie-

How do you propose to fix the county's delivery of municipal services?
OR
Do you deny that there is a problem with how the county delivers services?

William,
The parks appear to be as they were when I moved here in 1976 (albeit most are cleaner). That particular issue is one that does not concern me in the least. I realize that if you are selling real estate that 'premier parks' are as selling point, but I'm not selling real estate.
When I call the Police (maybe twice in the last 25 years) they respond. Of course I don't leave valuable items in plain view or leave personal items in harm's way so it isn't much of a concern.
Planning and zoning had been a fight during the 'infill years' when builders and developers felt entitled to push every rule to the edge, fill the storm drains with silt, paint, cement (just citing real situations that happened to me) but I think the County has gotten the message to tighten down on the offenders.

I don't experience the problems you do so I can't say I agree with you that there is any critical problem requiring such aggressive and potentially disastrous remediation.

William,

I appreciate your pragmatic post.

There are folks that will never buy into the idea of incorporation. In a few days, we will all cast our vote, the chips will fall where they may. We'll see if the enough people are fed up wit the way things are, or if they want to take part in their future by creating a new city.

DeKalb county may get a mulligan on Brookhaven, but the questions that have come up, again and again, will never go away.

Eddie-

At least I understand your position better...

I would venture that believing that DeKalb is serving our area adequately is a position in the extreme minority.

I'll also add that you are probably in the minority in stating that the only people that care about having nice parks are real estate agents.

At least we agree on one point, despite the fact that we pay a high cost in taxes and bonds to DeKalb to service the parks, our parks look like they haven't been touched since 1976.

Partial public record of 'No City Brookhaven' Contributors:
media.ethics.ga.gov Filer ID NC2012000022

Eddie Ehlert: Owner Duke & Duncan (AKA Mazdonly) $1,000.00
Jim Eyre: JRE Real Estate $2,500.00

Major Expense(s):

Right Path Strategic Affairs $15,000
Mr. David Scott Rials, Cumming, GA

Phil,
More proof you guys have no real concern for facts.
There is a junkyard near the former Atlanta Gas Light Offices, but their name is Mazmart.
There is no business entity called Mazda Only.
Correct facts are quite important, especially when you are getting ready to waltz right up into a libel situation.

Duke & Duncan Ltd, Inc has a location in Atlanta, GA. Active officers include Eddie Ehlert, Vivian L Ehlert and Kimberly Salazar. The company's line of business includes General Auto Repair.

direct dial: (770) 455-4849
Category: General Auto RepairGeneral automotive repair shops
A.K.A.: Mazdonly;

everyman (anonymous yesser)

You are closer, but not yet correct.
I wonder what site you are quoting that still has inaccurate information?
Is is something sponsored by one of the 'yes' tentacles?

everyman (anonymous yesser)

Is the C4ND list on that site?

Do your own work, Eddie. I mean really!

everyman (anonymous yesser),

I use the Secretary of State's site, it is ACCURATE.
Or are you one of those who hates every level of Government except the ones you can force on other people?

STATEMENT OF MR. EDDIE EHLERT MAZDONLY, LTD.
CHAMBLEE, GEORGIA

U.S. HOUSE SMALL BUSINESS COMMITTEE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON WORKFORCE, EMPOWERMENT AND GOVERNMENT JUNE 28, 2005

Impressive, Eddie!

Clearly you have had advocacy experience, more than most people do, frankly.

You raise a decent point: Certain costs are fixed, like Court and Police. That cost is spread over 700,000 people, instead of 750,000, since 50,000 Dunwoody citizens are emancipated. (Rough number, I know you are a detail guy.) The 'cost' you describe is virtually unknowable and negligible.

More importantly, the EXPENSE of providing many services to 50,000 residents was eliminated. The County did not reduce it's expenses, though.

Inadequate funding - That is conjecture, if people want more, they will pay more, BUT THEY CHOOSE.

Balkanization - Rally cry of the County PAC that has not materialized. In fact, local cities are working together on mutual business development, governmental agreements, etc. Are you suggesting that Cobb County has ever shown any interest in working with Fulton or Dekalb?

Rush - The CEO form of gov't was wrong for Maloof, and was abused by Vernon. Current CEO has done better, but then there is the Soap Box Derby pet project....

Cityhood is a proven path, now. It works. Newer cities are making it easier to do business.

Eddie, I have no beef with you, you care. We'll know more in 8 days.

everyman (anonymous yesser)

Thanks for the deep googling.

Bear in mind, I have been a part of this community for a very long time and in this situation, my view reflects to a great degree the view of my customers.
I have been upfront with everyone coming through my doors for nearly two years about my absolute opposition to this nonsense and guess what? To a person, I have not had a single customer who stated support (caveat, there was one person who was on the fence early on and I'm not sure of the final decision).
Otherwise, everyone from the area with an interest has been glad to have access to the items proudly identifying them as 'NO CITY' people.

Only a fool forces against the will of their neighbors and customers.

And a bigger fool places customers in uncomfortable situations... Is it no wonder that all but one readily agree? "Just give me my car so that I may flee."

Genius, you are the one 'publishing' incorrect information.

You must be a 'yesser'.

Eddie,

I get that the whole incorporation decision is unwanted by some, including yourself. I also get that you are passionate about remaining unincorporated in DeKalb, but DeKalb did nothing to improve it's operations after the last incorporation.

Blame them for the question on the table, not those who have had enough neglect and pay handsomely for it.

everyman (annonymous yesser)

Think for a moment, after the funding was withdrawn from the County coffers by the Dunwoody incorporation the amount of money available diminished. The REST OF US had to make up the difference for services already committed to a specific level of funding and staffing.
Should the Opposed City accidentally pass, we will have inadequate funding from day one and the costs to our neighbors outside the Opposed City mudprint will pay even more.
There is no effective long-term win from such balkanization and as the realities of increased costs in the new municipalities around us become clear. I guess that is why there is such a rush to force this through quickly before everyone becomes adequately informed.
I don't feel the 'neglect' nor do I feel any urgency.

Everyman:
You are mean. http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/portals/news-room/a_release.asp?filePK=1551

I don't disagree Everyman. But lets be careful not to unfairly use the fact Eddie at least identifies himself. And I don't see a need to go after Mr. Eyre.

Now if you could figure out just how Hamburger has such great access to inner DeKalb info that would be worthwhile. Though its understandable why some DeKalb insiders don't want to lose even a small part of their power. Wish I had that access, would have saved years of phone calls only to find out the county was trying to sidestep the completion of a measly 100 feet of sidewalks. Lord sending out the head of the department from Decatur in the 11th hour - that's how money is wasted.

Steve,
Don't add the second 'a' as mazda might just view it as copyright infringement.
That's why there isn't and never has been any company in Georgia named Mazda Only (they are or at least were kinda touchy about that).

He makes great points. Unfortunately if we wait then as seen in the Reporter's coverage we will loose a significant base of the property tax base when Dunwoody takes the Perimeter CID area inside 285 including the Perimeter Summit.

As to factions we will have far fewer factions than DeKalb.

As to small feel Brookhaven is this Historic Brookhaven or the LCI Brookhaven? Also there really is no Brookhaven in terms of a recognized right or power to determine density, development and police coverage.

And Boundaries? We run from 85 to 285 and take everything in that area that is not already incorporated or covered by a proposal to be annexed. Its a fairly clean rectangular shape and its a compact 12 square miles that is easily serviceable.

Fair and well said:
http://abetterbrookhaven.org/city-of-brookhaven/
"In fact, we have board members who favor a new city and members who favor no new city. There are good arguments to be made on both sides of the issue, and we encourage everyone to participate in this lively debate."

Mr. Eric, the Lake Hearn/Perimeter Summit property owners are not interested in becoming part of Dunwoody or Brookhaven. They had rather be left alone and remain in unincorporated DeKalb County.

Regarding less factions in the new city, that is true. However, the in-fighting will be much fiercer due to proximity and diverging citizen demands. Neighborhoods will be pitted against each other, as well as neighbors. Just look how Mr. Bill was treated because he has a differing opinion from the rest of the folks at the BY gathering yesterday. That is not going away.

As far as the city boundaries are concerned, they are one man’s creation for his new city. Not resulting from areas with commonality.

Regarding abetterbrookhaven, what would you expect them to say? They are playing it safe because they will be around doing their good work regardless of how the vote goes.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hamburger that might have been true when Dunwoody first formed but from what I've heard its not true anymore. Do you really think Bob Dallas did that annexation proposal on his own? Word is one of the big property owners doesn't want to go to Brookhaven because he wants to go to DeKalb. I also don't think the officials of Dunwoody are making this stuff up.

In terms of factions - overlays for everyone. I agree Brookhaven LCI maybe the more progressive area. Otherwise I'm confident that 4 council people with focused roles will be able to get the job done. True there will be fights but we got to sell papers and have things to post about on the patch, right? Some say the Council people being elected in specific districts will make them more prone to fighting - but the alternative would be city wide? That would seem to disenfranchise the the what maybe the majority interest in a District 4 or 3.

"Regarding abetterbrookhaven, what would you expect them to say? They are playing it safe because they will be around doing their good work regardless of how the vote goes." I agree 110% otherwise we know what the answer would be because A City of Brookhaven is the surest way to A Better Brookhaven.

Burger/Eric-

I hate to break up the conspiracy fest, but it isn't rocket science. Commercial property owners don't get the county's HOST exemptions and therefore can't be swayed by 9th hour DeKalb county, political tomfoolery to manipulate the millage rate. The full impact of the county's historic tax increase was felt by each commercial property owner on Lake Hearn (the largest of which, by far, is Cox Communications) and their understanding of the fact that DeKalb isn't lowering their rate (and probably will have to raise it if history is any guide) is clear.

The millage rate offered by Dunwoody or Broohaven would result in tens of thousands of savings every year. My understanding is that 1400 Lake Hearn would save close to $30,000 per year in property taxes under Brookhaven's millage and even more if it was annexed by Dunwoody.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Eric,
This is breaking news and I must get in the middle here if only for a moment.
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This is my attempt to explain the need for compulsion disorder to continually type erroneous information - thus myself and others are experiencing these symptoms from this forum. For you see, I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium.

Any fool knows that the cityhood movement is so passé. And it doesn't take my superior intellect to figure that out, however, I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium.

Once again, HamBurger is totally wrong!

The property owners approached SOMEBODY or WERE APPROACHED AND AGREED to annexation. Dunwoody refused the advice of failed mayoral candidate Bob Dallas, an attorney, to annex. Instead waiting until Brookhaven decides on incorporation.

They stand to save a material sum by joining a city, you doltish meatwad.