Rick,
Really?
What other likely outcome is there?

Not likely, but remain in oppostion to nullify the new governance.

It is a major feature of 'corporatist' goverance to first invent a normally independent special interest group (C4DK/BY) to advance its governance and, once imposed, under the disguise of good sportsmanship, to then incorporate the opposition (or at least its recognized organization---real or contrived also) into the newly imposed governance: to subordinate---subjugate---them.

Thus, in part, the 'incorporatism' of a 'corporatist' government, as is Mx's and clearly now GA's.

Thus, in part, also the invitations to, once imposed, "join" the new governance--while woe onto anyone or any group who does not.

One would think Brookhaven No would have learned better by now after chasing their petition to delay the referendum called for by the invented so-called "citizen's committee, down the obvious dead end they did instead of simply stopping the perps by taking select members to the Georgia State Supreme Court or, at least, the Georgia Bar Association---unless, of course, being a deliberate decoy (wittingly or not) to co-opt all oppostion to begin with.

Meanwhile, I have no doubt the Governor will accept.

After all, it was prededermined also.

Hi, Rick!! "Pissing match??" I also hope not. It may take a different set of skills to "birth a baby" than it does to "raise a child" in this area. I've already been snubbed by two "Brookhaven No" people [and welcomed by two others]. Both sides benefit if we work as former opponents instead of as enemies.--Tom Reilly

http://tinyurl.com/wewasrobbed1234

Eric, I have yet to see your response to my questions made "8:44 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012":

"...Which hardly relieves anyone holding public office, elected or appointed, anywhere in GA, from not upholding the Constitution of the United States by, at best, allowing the MxGov to have been granted "incorporation" papers (as early as '2002' while on Apple Valley Way) in the State of GA, USA, to have the 'incorporation' be renewed annually and (as early as '2004' while on Apple Valley Way) be provided, have and use voter registration forms of the State of GA.

Yes? Or No?

To instead allow themselves to propose, manage and impose elections and referendum still without that relief."

Yes? Or No?

Thank you for your paragraphs of street directions and hotel/bar ratings.

Despite your obvious investment, simply not germane.

@Eric Hovdesven. And yet the petition from Ms. Mesh' Ashford Neighbors in the a:News Times, it says "Historically, those appointed to the commission by the Governor have become the next mayor and councilpersons in all the other new cities".

It is tough to sign your name to a petition where the facts are in error.

don Gabacho my apologies but I don't know enough about an incorporation of an affiliated entity of the Mexican Government in the U.S. and/or Brookhaven.

And not exactly sure how that effects my desire for a city that pursues sustainable development practices and is fair to all its residents.

"don Gabacho my apologies but I don't know enough about an incorporation of an affiliated entity of the Mexican Government in the U.S. and/or Brookhaven."---Eric

Correction: "Entity of the Mexican Government (and thus the MxGov itself)" suffices.

"And not exactly sure how that effects my desire for a city that pursues sustainable development practices and is fair to all its residents."---Eric

"Fair"?

For the same reason that the very validity of any governance, old or new, must be founded on the sovereignty of its own elections and referendums.

Similarly, the validity of the public office holders, elected or appointed, of any governance, including new, but refuse their obligation to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA; in this case, by having first remedied the electorate of a foreign power being involved in our own elections and referendums prior to any new elections and referendums; much less propose, manage, legislate and approve any new governance despite that involvement.

By having held an election and referendum without first remedying the electorate of that involvement, signaling the MxGov that that government can not only continue their involvment but also continue it with impunity.

Last but not least, signaling also our own public office holders, present and future, that they can ignore their first obligation of public office with impunity also.

Shouldn't the GA Secretary of State be addressing that?

"Shouldn't the GA Secretary of State be addressing that?"---Eric

Plus the state's inspector general offices.

Been there, done that and they do worse than refuse.

Free advice to a: Times News-- you have a duty to your advertisers as much as to your readers. If you insult the intelligence of, say, 55% of your readers, your advertisers may not be getting the bang for the buck that you represented. Free newspapers can easily be thrown away without your advertisers getting any exposure and sales results.

Phil, what does it take to elicit a response from you?

Yet again (emphasis on "police" please):

3:06 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

"'No more calls (after Dec. 17) on parks, paving, zoning, code enforcement and police.'---Phil

[Me:] 'You are saying 'Dec 17'. On what basis?

You are having it that a non-elected commission will be deciding just who will be even policing us. Just who will be enforcing the dictates---oops---directives of the non-elected commission.

Tell us Phil. What is your definition for a Police State?'"

Ms. Purvis newspaper is obviously biased, but having a gadfly keeping the politicians on their toes isn't a bad thing in my mind.

Dean I agree that having a watchdog is very valuable. The 4th Estate is vital to a functioning capitalist democratic society. Unfortunately one of our countries greatest risks is the decline of the 4th Estate as media companies are bought out by large corporations that may sell military components to supply our wars and/or that are focused on short term profits or put ratings about accuracy.

Unfortunately the A Times seems driven to much by the ideology of whoever is behind it so they are unable to bring much value to the table. Its like the boy who cried wolf.

Thankfully we still have several local options to help publicize prodding that may need to be done to keep our representatives on their toes.

"The 4th Estate is vital to a functioning capitalist democratic society. Unfortunately one of our countries greatest risks is the decline of the 4th Estate as media companies are bought out by large corporations that may sell military components to supply our wars..."---Eric

"Supply our wars"? Gaa!

Even when not being bought out by corporations, the ownerships have long been compromised when anything they print or air can risk investments---personal or corporate---in Mexico.

donG why just Mexico?

I'd like to know the rules on distribution of newspaper, flyers, etc... I really don't appreciate three A: Times papers being thrown in my driveway as well as all up and down my street (laying in the street) and throughout Brookhaven. A vacant lot down the road from us also had multiple newspapers tossed into it. We have enough problems with littering in our neighborhood and I think A: Times should pick up the excess papers or be fined. Another individual in our neighborhood attempted to call some of the advertisers and they aren't even real companies... pretty interesting. This paper operates on the basis of lies and bias (and spreads their message by littering) and I don't think anyone in charge of an organization as such should represent my city.

"donG why just Mexico?"---Eric

Not "just" the MxGov but also its allied Latino governments.

It's called FONATUR and especially FIDECOMISO.

Maybe the Governor could have the decency to ask the Citizens he interviews.

"How would the Governor, or anyone, know who is a 'Yes' and who is a 'No'. The election was a secret ballot. I would hope the Commission is filled with people knowledgeable and qualified in municipal issues."---Stan

"Secret ballot"?

When the precinct manager, at least in my precint, would have to have observed just which voting machine selected by voter to then present on the compter screen to the voter a "straight ticket" or not?

After having to ask if you were "Republican," "Democrat" or (given "Independent not recognized) "Impartial" (a devise for cross-voting in primaries)?

When the voting place was in, of all places, a government locale of a government with even a stake in the referendum? IE: Chamblee City Hall where any and all activity would be observed via its imbedded surveillance system?

Particularly of persons identified as Brookhaven No as soon as they walked in the door?

Even if just what vote was cast by a particular person really matters to know just who has ever opposed, and still, this City of Brookhaven?

When, the computerized voting could have been programed to achieve a predetermined outcome, by electronically flipping over a sufficient number of incoming votes marked for Brookhavien No to Brookhaven Yes, anyway?

When such a possibe scenario is even disallowed to be confirmed or not?

Mr. Stan, you are correct, I played “NO” but I am actually a closet “YES”! A lot of that going on now days!

As for commission appointments, do you really think folks are that gullible? Governor Deal is a very busy man. He is waiting for Rep. Mike Jacobs to bring him the list of folks he has hand chosen to fill this commission. That is what Mr. Jeff said!

Also, we did a real good job this evening of selecting candidates, “YES” people, naturally, are you satisfied with the results? Hope those less qualified will be satisfied with their consolation positions with the new city, don’t you? Shush, we have to con our way . . . Uh, I mean win this election to honour our agreement, right? Wait . . . Was that a super special secret meeting? You know, with the special handshake? You know, where only “Yes” people selected “Yes” candidates for the important initial election to create Rep. Mike Jacobs new city? Shush!!!

Hey! Can’t we all get along with a Cheerwine and a special hamburger?

Hamburger, I guess you are implying that BrookhavenYES had a meeting and it is some sort of nefarious thing?

I believe anyone who wants to run for office can file papers in Decatur, no?

"Governor Deal...is waiting for Rep. Mike Jacobs to bring him the list of folks he has hand chosen to fill this commission." ----Hamburger

I'm sure you've got it backwards, and "the list"---give or take minor adjustment--- having been made prior to even the puppet legislators approving the so-called referendum.

"That is what Mr. Jeff said!"

Which should confirm to you and all that you've got it backwards.

I hope we get a solid and varied field of candidates for a the four council positions and the position of Mayor.

Though I dread the discussion that will take place here.

I wonder if its possible for the patch to have two forums, one where anonymous people can post and one where they can't.

Eric,
Your eternal, unsubstantiated 'hopefulness' amazes me.

"I wonder if its possible for the patch to have two forums, one where anonymous people can post and one where they can't."---Eric

Given your constant commentaries being not unlike a divorce lawyer feiging reconciliation between two irreconcilable partners and to see if there was more to it then simply winning a cubbyhole at Brookhaven City Hall to promote "diversity," I looked up your profile.

You are a lawyer. So? To your question, why don't you simply tell us?

Including true intent?

BTW, haven't you always been vying to be the new city's attorney?

Good one Eddie, yes perhaps my naivete is my coping mechanism.

Don G, I think it was Hamburger that once asked me that. My legal background is in representing investors who've had issues with their stockbroker and before making the perhaps unfortunate decision to attend law school I worked for financial regulator. Not the background of someone who would serve as the city attorney should have. Besides I assume that contract would go to a firm that also fulfills similar duties for other cities, since its not a full time job.

Bottom line I promise you that I will not be employed by or in anyway billing the City of Brookhaven any time in the foreseeable future.

Regarding the rest, I'm not feigning

Mr. don Gabacho, Mr. Eric will not be the new city attorney. Just look at the law firm that contributed to the Brookhaven Ballot Committee and you will see the law firm that will receive the contract. The are also the attorneys for several other new cities.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Based on the fact they have the mechanism set up it maybe tough for another law firm to come in with a competitive bid.

"Just look at the law firm that contributed to the Brookhaven Ballot Committee and you will see the law firm that will receive the contract. The are also the attorneys for several other new cities."---Hamburger

Don't tell us advising and representing "other cities" like Doraville and Chamblee and their respective police departments.

"Been thinking about the earlier idea of locating the city hall in the strip center across the street from Marta. Is that location really a viable location? The reason I ask...it seems the Peachtree Road & NDH Road juncture is already pretty congested."---E Pluribus Unum

Obviously. Aside from how many millions to be taxed to gut the neighborhood along both N.Druid Hills Road and Dresden to widen those roads plus the time and expense to achieve "right of way" to trim the Marta Station at both its junctures at those streets, etc., the white elephant must be unloaded onto the taxpayers while it is to serve (as an old bar once located there) as a buffer to people deemed undesirable from passing north from Atlanta.

I also kind of wonder about using a strip mall, but the price could be right and it does offer the opportunity for a large room where you could have council meetings one night and traffic court the next night in the same room - sort of like how Chamblee uses their civic center. Though the offices for staff hopefully would be small. I would think police would be located elsewhere, though it is close to the Dunkin Donuts ;-) Sorry just Simpsonesque joke.

It would be nice to have meetings and traffic court start no earlier than 6:30 or 7 pm to facilitate attendance after work and also avoid traffic issues.

There is certainly plenty of available commercial property on Buford Highway, but so many north of Peachtree don't want to have to drive all the way 'down there' to enact business with 'their' city.

Too bad we gave up Plaza Fiesta, we could have used the old Marshalls that our stupid government tax abatement merely moved from spot A to spot B.

Seriously though there is a lot of empty space in NorthEast Plaza and I certainly hope the committee will explore and get information regarding available space in this corridor. Since if they do offer a cost savings that should be a major factor.

Eric,
Agreed!
Keeping 'city hall' on the 'frontier' will certainly have it's advantages.
Also keeps the Police closer to where more of their calls will be.

"I would think police would be located elsewhere..."---Eric

As in paving the way for an annexation of Chamblee to the still prospective City of Brookhaven and its "three minutes away" police and their parking lot?

"Seriously though there is a lot of empty space in NorthEast Plaza..." ---Eric

Isn't NE Plaza owned by an individual with heavy ties to the MxConsulate?

On the last two posts, annex DECA? Ownership of NorthEast Plaza? I don't know. Though I once saw Tito Bambino at Atlanta Peach and the inside that club on the southern corner of NE plaza is very fancy, though its been a while since I've been in there. I was sorry to see Mercado del Pueblo leave, think it was a victim of things like HB87 and the economy driving out some of their customer base out. And that buffet bar near the bowling alley is pretty good and I normally don't like buffet bars.

"I guess it keeps the focus for those individuals on the commission with tactical start-up issues without the worry of trying to campaign."---E Pluribus Unum

And not to feign proper regard for conflict of interest while making way for those who, as usual, have no proper regard for conflict of interest?

Yep, and since they are merely handing off their report findings to the City Council and Mayor for review and approval it would create an odd dynamic if some of the elected officials were the ones who collected the information for council and mayor review.

Granted I'm not certain how much flexibility the Council and Mayor will have regarding the recommendations made. Though there is nothing to prevent an alternative from being presented to the Mayor and .Council (well except for resources to put together an viable alternative that the Council could choose).

Mr. Eric, the newly elected officials can do anything they want. This is why the first election is important and will be filled with Brookhaven Yes folks in all positions.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Yes understood. What I meant about their flexibility is will there be viable choices presented by the committee or potential vendors bidding for contracts.

"Self-governance requires..." ---Smedrik of the Lowerlands

Self-governance and, certainly not the top-down governance that spawned and is still imposing the new city.

don G,
Is it too late to sue for 'omit' status?
Nothing the 'new city' offers really benefits me, and I would just as soon determine where to direct my tax money.

"Is it too late to sue for 'omit' status?" ----Eddie E.

It's never too late to sue. In this case however I can see no avenue other than taking down the whole shebang, as I have long advocated, before the Supreme Court of Georgia---plus---taking certain individuals of the original C4DK committee before the Georgia State Bar.

As to the Supreme Court scenario there is a multitude of possible charges including but not only, the allowance made for the conflict of interest inherent to even allowing a State Representative, Mike Jacobs, to be on a purported "citizens" committee, C4DK, and even entertain any subsequent proposal, much less referendum; while taking him also before the Georgia State Bar.

While also, of course, the refusal by the State government, including our local representatives, to first and foremost remedy the electorate frrom the MxGov having and using still untold numbers of our own voter registrations form prior to any election and referendum.

In one instance of MxGov officials and employees having and using our voter registrations forms at a Sam's Club purportedly in Gainesville, GA.

In yet another instance, in the Monterrey Project in Dalton whose funding was approved by certain legislators too.

"...What was the name of the former bar referenced by don Gabacho? I can't remember myself..."---E Pluribus Unam

I don't remember the name or if it even had a name. I arrived from NY in 1961 as a kid and it, plus the package store just up the street by Oglethorpe, were the only places of their kind in an otherwise dry zone clear up to Norcross.

You can find out by searching the Brookhaven Patch's commentaries when, after bringing this up, in part, in rebuttal to Brookhaven being historic because of a golf community never built, someone did mention the name of the place.

You could find out though by simply asking the folks who own the truly historic---during the Battle of Atlanta---farm house still existing, and, given the property taxes, still holding out against selling at a distress sale's price across the street next to and slighty behind the Subway sandwich store. Another source could be the Ace General Hardware up the street (but those guys are not very friendly).

The bar---very rough---was left alone by the police back in those days.

So how come no one has mentioned the orginial location of the Original Pancake house before it moved to the location where Town Sembler went? I now forget which corner it was on. Was where the Harris Teeter shopping center is?

"So how come no one has mentioned the orginial location of the Original Pancake house..." ---Eric

Or the Shoney's Fat Boy?

Could it be that those places are irrelevent?

In any event, they were all between, going south, the package store and Hastings.

I recall because, in high school, going southward, though underage, crammed in a souped-up 56 or 57 Chevy or Ford tuned to the Top-40, on Friday and Saturday nights, first stop being in front of the package store where fellows from Lynwood Park would, for the price of a pack of cigarettes (35 cents) plus cost, get us a bottle of malt licquor each.

That's when the strip (through all the pine woods) extended from the Dairy Queen in Norcross just past the Doraville City limit, to the package store, the Shoney's rear drive in area to the Varisty and back---and forth---and back---and forth with a very occasional side trip to Sally Witche's. For snipe hunting.

Of course that's when gasoline could be as cheap as 13 cents a gallon when, every three months or so, for about a week there'd be gas war.

And that's of course when, if anyone insisted on drag racing, either of Doraville's two cops (one daytime and one nightime) would tell us: "If you want to get yourself killed, don't involve others in the risk. Go to (the then unfinished) perimeter."

Additional traffic lanes should not be added to North Druid Hills or Dresden, period.

Best economic use for the land is certainly a valid consideration, personally I could think of more transit friendly development styles being put there to take advantage of the MARTA station, but I suspect the reality of the situation means it will always be some type of strip mall at least for the next lease term.

As to ownership of Brookhaven Plaza per the county records it looks like DDR owns 20% outright and I suspect other subsidiary Reits or its the DDR SAU reit that owns them and DDR owns 20% of the REIT. Tough to tell.

http://ddr.com/listings/default.aspx?pn=30327 http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/PropertyAppraisal/realDisplay.asp?pid=18%20239%2006%20008
http://businessprofiles.com/details/ddr-sau-atlanta-brookhaven-l-l-c/GA-0550624
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/18588956.pdf
Formerly they were owned by Inland
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/14508140.pdf

Were you just asking or is there information I'm not aware of?

"Thoughts"?

Howbout the Capital City Club?

Ah yes, Brookhaven Bobby was an institution unto himself, an affable remnant of bygone times when non-Historic Brookhaven was often preceded by the adjective, 'blighted.'

The $70K houses got sold, McMansions got built, and Lynwood and Coosawatee became gentrified. The Standard Club left, Charlie Brown made a good development, MARTA got built, and now we are where we are.

I think that the future is brighter.

Mr. EPU, that would be Brookhaven Bob that manned the intersection of Peachtree and Dresden.

Hello Max . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

"Hello Max?" Last I heard he was simultaneoulsy controlling World financial markets, Hollywood, and most major news sources. He has no time for you, m'dear.

No Jodi, you got the wrong entity and the short end of the voter stick. How's that 'sqeaky wheel' thing going for you?

Hello Max, all going well with the code enforcement rewrite for Dunwoody?

Special hamburger?

Jodi,

Dunwoody is not Brookhaven, but since you ask:

http://dunwoody.patch.com/articles/city-begins-zoning-rewrite-process-tonight-with-public-input-meeting,

http://dunwoody.patch.com/articles/video-the-zoning-code-rewrite-how-the-process-will-work-a7681558#video-8966055,

http://www.zoningdunwoody.com/

Jodi, the concept of 'open and transparent' must be an anathema to those used to working on the dark side of Politics 101. It's OK, your performance at OU was neither the best nor the worst that little theater has seen.

Brookhaven NOW has the choice to review it's needs and then decide, through a democratic process, if changes are warranted.

You do want to make property safer and more valuable, don't you m'dear?

Smedrick,
On transparency, is there a 'rollcall' from last night's meeting?

Eddie,

"To the victors goes the spoils," that's life pal - closed meeting for the Yes side, if that is what really occurred - I wasn't there.

There will be a vote for various candidates, the NO side should be busy deciding on their candidates, creating the necessary political platforms, raising dough and doing what we do around here to elect people. Y'all have 45% of the vote, surely you can elect someone as delightful, charming, and intelligent as Ms. Jodi to represent her District.

Instead of whining about a non-existent conspiracy, create your own! There, that's the spirit.

New City Brand, courtesy Eddie E:

"Brookhaven - We remain pissed off, it's what we do."

Smedrick,

Victor?
Spoils?
What part of my property and value as a Citizen are the 'spoils'?
I made no outrageous promises to anyone but many did.
I think it is time for them to honor the sacred vows they made to the Voters!

Smedrick,

Another tiny point of reality to remember, any 'government' attempting retribution can be called to account in court.
The 'government' will, however, have a responsibility to operate in a clear and transparent fashion with full authority given to the Voters to replace them at proper intervals.
You guys have really built a huge facade, I hope you are up to the task of turning it into what meets the needs of the Citizens.

"That seems to be an important part of our community that must remain...." E Pluribus Unam

The forum has already been bowlderized on that issue by the gov's troupe of puppets posting to the Patch.

You really need to do a search. The Patch's engine doesn't work for commentaries. Google it using the keywords: Brookhaven, Patch, don Gabacho and ---yes--- Emancipaton Proclamation.

"...gentrified..." ----Smedrik of the Lowerlands

There's that word choice again.

Hardly the word choice of a gentleman.

"No Jodi, you got the wrong entity and the short end of the voter stick. How's that 'sqeaky wheel' thing going for you?"---Smedrik of the Lowerlands

Isn't "speculating on the identities of anoynmous posters prohibited"?

But you must be PC.

"PC as in the old sense: a "Privleged Character"

Nothing wrong with mistrust of government, citizen involvement is key to make Brookhaven the best it can be.

EPU,
Just wait until everyone finds out that a city government cannot allow the use of off-road vehicles (golf carts) for public road usage.
Then all bets are off.

I should like to have a beer with you Eddie E. you have a terrific, albeit warped, sense of humor.

Jodi could join us with her Pouilly-Fuisse or green tea, she is a delightful and charming lady in real life.

Smedrick,
Sure, any time.
However, my golf-cart comment comes after having a discussion yesterday from someone who was aghast that a city (any city) could not overrule Federal and State vehicle laws. This will be a real issue and the reality will not sit well with the anointed ones.

I would think a location closer to all citizens (near the center of Brookhaven) would be preferable.

EPU,
A city hall on Buford Highway would also be facing the 'frontier' of those invading hordes from Dekalb County (those people who we have shed so much blood to be insulated from). It would provide a greater degree of safety for all!

Nor is resistance futile!

"Nor is resistance futile!"---Eddie E.

Damned dangeous though.

Hope you didn't rush your skeet shoot at the Club, there Cheerwhine.

http://www.artbible.info/art/large/10.html

Smedrik,
Now we devolve into mythology?

I thought a bit of art would lighten the mood, Eddie. You know, that is a painting of "Doubting" Saint Thomas, who eventually came around...

Y'all are a suspicious lot, really. The true reason behind the incorporation movement is . . . uh oh, the Black Helo is outside my office ... the true reason behin... they have found me, oh no!

Eric,
Certainly you have no illusion that 'credibility' is even a faint concern of the One Party State Supplicants do you?

Or it could be fear of having someone come in and try to disrupt or undermine the process or someone from Ashford n........

And I should have said credibility to the skeptics, i mean the numbers should be what the numbers are, thus making the reports self evident. But there is history to overcome

I agree that members of the NOCITY group should be included-- not by petition--but by getting someone (s) that can CONTRIBUTE to the success of the new city. That is up to the Governor and his advisors to decide. I am sure they will factor in opposition representatives that are not so "invested" in seeing the city struggle.

The goal is success measured by fairness and overall satisfaction of the public at large. jmho

EPU,
They will follow the plan and blame President Obama!

Blame Canada