The words 'sophistry and specious,' come to mind as I read this comment.

Losers don't legislate - How does anyone say 'no' to contributors and win? They don't.

Look here to see who got what:
http://media.ethics.ga.gov/Search/Campaign/Campaign_ByName.aspx

Then ask the candidates how those contributions will affect their decisions. Then see how things play out, you might be surprised.

BTW, can anyone support why the charter was changed?

So, just what does J. Max Davis mean when he speaks of transparency? And, does anyone outside of C$ND really know the funding sources for the C$ND Vinson study?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

If you have a point, make it. Allusions to who funded the Vinson Study are meaningless. I would guess the people who see that DeKalb rule is BS would fund such a Study.

This is why so many people think you are a creep, HamBurger. You toss out non sequitors, red herrings, and sophistry like they are facts.

The County may be your employer, but at some point, you have to wonder, "Is it worth it?"

The funding sources for the Vinson study are meaningless? LOL, these people are the creators of the city of Brookhaven. I think the tax payers would like to know just who they are. And, what business is it of an elected state official to go around creating a new city? Actually, some would say the Brookhaven Yes movement, the people associated with it, and the lack of transparency is kind of creepy.

Brookhaven, the city founded under some creepy circumstances.

So, who are these people we are so indebted to for their new city? I want to place their names on a plaque to be installed at J. Max Davis’s new office located at the old Kroger on Peachtree!

More thin sliced onions?

If you think it is that important, than find the answers and report them back to your adoring fan. FOIA should be a start, after all it is a UGA is publicly funded, right.

I would love to know who funded the Study, anecdotally. The constant insinuations of collusion and allegations of wrongdoing are both tiresome and pathetic.

Otherwise, please do go on.

We are not talking about a publicity funded university; we are talking about a privately funded study manipulated to paint a rosy picture for new city incorporation that a select few participated in. The outcome affects many more tax payers and business owners than those select few, yet they will not state who they are.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Agreed, 100%. She would not tell the truth, transparent as lead.

What, Sandy Murray won't commit to the absurd Police coverage numbers developed by a certain 'budget guru' to keep the projected costs down?
A Candidate who is actually concerned and expressing the appropriate concerns for the Taxpaying Citizens!
No wonder she wasn't invited to the C4ND city invention meetings. If you aren't willing to buy into the fantasy, you're just in the way!

Vetted by whom?
I haven't seen a listing of any 'town hall meetings' to vet or discuss such an idea.
I haven't seen this idea listed on any of the 'commission' meeting agendas.
Under who's auspices is it even being discussed?
Due to the enormous cost, why not a doublewide in the parking lot?

You know the Gov. Commission is tasked to make recommendations. Then those recommendations will have public comment, when the City Council is seated. This is not a big conspiracy, it will go just fine.

You also forgot to mention 'smoky back rooms,' Eddie.

I'm sorry, I didn't get your real name.

There was a District 1 candidates forum at Cross and Crown Lutheran Church in Murphey Candler on the northern Brookhaven/Chamblee border (Chamblee Dunwoody Road) at the same time last night so those candidates and about 100 people were elsewhere.

Exactly, but yet entities like HamBurger, EddieE others, cling to their opinions.

And when a mistake is made, it will happen, they will jump for joy, in unison, signing, "we told you SO!!!"

The tight timeframe is a challenge, the change from more City Council reps to fewer is a concern to me (slight, since I still have better representation than with DeKalb), but the opportunities are much more in our favor.

Phil,
Please stop conspiring to vindicate J Max for acting against my liberties as an American citizen who expects those WHO ARE OR ACTIVELY SEEKING TO govern me to do so ethically and transparently. Taking contributions from potential vendors displays lack of character and a lack of honesty. Then J Max goes on to say that it is a good thing. Really? This is Pay-For-Play at it's finest. I smell an ethics complaint.
See Video 1 ... 24:24 minute mark. And then you tell me who is greasing the skids for their contributors.

@Kestrel

http://media.ethics.ga.gov/Search/Campaign/Campaign_Name.aspx?NameID=18022&FilerID=C2012002379&Type=candidate

Shows that J. Max Davis has not filed a campaign disclosure report, it is not due until Oct. 22. How do correlate 'lack of character and lack of honesty' to publicly admitting to accepting a contribution from POTENTIAL vendors to some future activity?

What a naive and ugly statement to make about a neighbor, whose Dad was a paradigm of ethical behavior.

You are projecting DeKalb's hijinks to a guy whose character in life is unassailable. You cannot think outside the box because the box is so badly broken.

Still,
The imaginary Brookhaven:
Everybody hates Dekalb County Government.
Everybody wanted the city.
Everybody is willing to trust the city cheerleaders to do whatever it is they want to because, well they just know better.
Everybody is willing to wait however long it takes to see some improvement because it is only our tax money and residences at stake.
Everybody loves jmax.
Everybody accepts the imaginary, rushed, impossible time frame because without it, everybody would have wised up to why this is still a fool's errand.

The imaginary Brookhaven:
As of July 31, it is REAL.

Everybody hates Dekalb County Government.
Hate is too strong, try disappointed.

Everybody wanted the city.
Only 55% of those voting want it, but that is enough.

Everybody is willing to trust the city cheerleaders to do whatever it is they want to because, well they just know better.
Facts support new City services are an improvement.

Everybody is willing to wait however long it takes to see some improvement because it is only our tax money and residences at stake.
Your tax money going to DeKalb? Your residence is at stake from the DeKalb County School System debacle, more than anything else.

Everybody loves jmax.
We don't know that, yet. Mr. Davis has worked hard, on the come.

Everybody accepts the imaginary, rushed, impossible time frame because without it, everybody would have wised up to why this is still a fool's errand.
Well, that's just too funny - Sticking with DeKalb is a fool's errand, silly Eddie. 26% tax increase, no reduction in current services, Burrell will raise your taxes again, and when home values increase, as they will, you'll be s-c-r-e-w-e-d.

Foolish little man.

Mr. Weary,
Perhaps you need some 5 Hour Energy. Please hush. I am entitled to my opinion. Which company that is vying for a city contract do you work for?

Mr Weary,
75% of the districts in Brookhaven Voted NO to cityhood. Fact.

Fact: You LOST the vote.

While you and others may claim your right to voice your opinion, accept the consequences of spewing forth falsehoods, lies, mean-spirited and vile opinions. We all have the right to comment, little angry bird.

And, your writing style reminds me of an individual that was with C$ND.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hey 'burger,

Was missing on you, glad you stopped by for your verbal admonishment session today.

What topic would you like to be corrected upon today?

Still Weary,
You have been reported to the Patch as you have violated Patches TOU policy. Please stop.

Phil,
So are you saying that since there has been unethical behavior in the county that that somehow makes it ok J Max to recieve dollars from potential vendors for his campaign? I thought Brookhaven was not supposed to be the "status quo". Sounds to me it's more like quid pro quo. And just in case you missed the article above, we are talking about Brookhaven. Not Dekalb County. Just FYI.

Kiri, please remove Phil permanently.

Call me a WAAAAAAAA-bulance, Kestral.

Since you cannot make a decent argument work in your favor, you are going to whine at the nice Patch lady for relief? Nothing unethical has occurred, no impropriety has occurred in this matter.

The man admitted he has taken a contribution, prior to the time he was required to disclose. That's not Politics 101, as Jodi coined it - Pre-disclosure is a refreshing change.

You are making a pathetic and circular argument, and to compound the error of your ways, you attempt to stifle opposition to your nebulous point of view through censorship.

That's just amazing. I bet you got a prize for showing up to class everyday....

Sir,
Kestrel Larson is my real name. Please do not attack me. I cam here to discuss a topic. You have once again allowed this forum to become idiotic.
You have been reported to the Patch.

The Patch terms of use have not been violated.

Good question!

I am curious how Fitz came across?

I didn't go.

Hi Kestrel, Patch welcomes comments and thoughts from everyone. If no terms of use have been violated, there is no reason for posts to be deleted.

These are YouTube videos, Roger.

You can't watch Youtube on an Ipad? Does this work on an Apple operating system?
http://www.romneytaxplan.com

tee hee ... ha ha!! Man, that wasted about four minutes of time I could've been reading the Patch.
And, yah, no, Kiri, "Youtube" is not a format. Try loading onto liveleak.com that way everyone can watch without downloading a Flash adapter. : )

The Youtubes are not the Patch's. They just linked to them. " The video attached was created by Brookhaven Reporter reporter Dan Whisenhunt."

Hi, the three YouTube videos currently up were not created by a reporter. However, here is a nice little YouTube video created by Dan Whisenhunt that was initially attached to this article before the others were uploaded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOiXqL8KSIM&feature=results_video

DeKalb is going to incorporate anyway. We have to have our own PD.

You really need to come on up to Dunwoody to see what is happening, because your remarks are so far off the mark, they are laughable.

Things are better than they were, and it makes y'all crazy!

Mr Miller,
Please don't attack me. I have complained.

That question has been addressed many times, by many others, and you still choose not to get it - Dekalb is locked into it's current state of affairs and no change will come. No matter how hard you try for consensus; constructive changes means 'what's my cut.'

Been there, done that. This was discussed previously and yet you choose not to understand the political reality. Your POV is foolish and a waste of time. don't you think this approach has already been tried?

It has. It fails. It is not currently possible.

Mr. Still Weary, that question has never been addressed.

I get it. I have seen a movement for cityhood for a group of folks that were not a part of Dunwoody and rejected being annexed into Chamblee. I also get that state elected officials, instead of organizing along with citizens for the purpose of changing DeKalb government opted to create a new city further fragmenting the region.

As Mr. Larry pointed out, there are problems that arise from fragmenting a geographical area. Although you think you have made great strides in distancing yourself from DeKalb by creating a new city, you have created another set of problems to deal with. Plus, as small governments tend to do, overtime they emulate the government they sought to escape from. Soon we will have our own little version of Peyton Place.

Man! I certainly hope I am low bidder for the city council meeting concessions!

Finally, Balkanization is not supported by facts, currently. We must always watch out for that, but so far everyone is playing nicely together.

You mean to say that Elaine Boyer has not worked with Lee Mays and others on the Commish to counter-act CEO policies that simply do not make sense

Or are you saying that disappointing County policies can be corrected by a direct approach to the CEo.

Or what exactly are you saying, because the elusive goal of 'bringing everyone together' only works with mutual will. Fact is, and you must already know this, one side is uninterested in coming together.

DeKalb does things well in certain areas, and I will always defend County employees as hard-working, for the most part. But the days of the Jobs Machine are limited at all levels of government. You know darn well the County has far more jobs per capita than other Metro Counties.

We see RICO violations, court adjudications proving racism (Stogner/Jones) and you wish the average reader to buyer into your inane 'kumbaya' moment.

We chose not to, hence, now TWO new cities. In the future, we will need to guard against the issues new government MAY cause. But not today, today we get to choose.

Why do you hate freedom of choice?

As I have stated previously, if all of the folks involved with for and against the new city had banded together with the active involvement of Rep. Mike Jacobs, Rep. Tom Taylor, and Sen. Fran Millar changes could have been made to DeKalb government or at a minimum we could have set up a special tax district for ourselves. A large, active movement like this would definitely garner attention of county officials.

Instead, we have a new city that is very divided. Folks that are out and about in the area see this first hand. Insults only add to the divisiveness . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Not happening because they already know the outcome:

"Rep. Mike Jacobs, Rep. Tom Taylor, and Sen. Fran Millar changes could have been made to DeKalb government or at a minimum we could have set up a special tax district for ourselves."

These are politically savvy, smart, men whose reputations are impeccable - They reach across the aisle when they know a deal can be reached without a compromise to principal.

Your idea is pure fallacy - It cannot be done, bank it.

Fallacy??? If they can expend so much time, money and effort towards creating a new city, they could have done the same thing to make DeKalb the great county it once was. Unfortunately, they elected to continue fragmenting our area. Their self-serving political decisions will come back to haunt all of us.

I am going to do like Eddie and make my Brookhaven properties Section 8.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

All the diplomacy in the world will not change the fact - We are now not fully DeKalb, and DeKalb will do what the are legally required to do, with or without the niceties.

That said, we should be firm, professional and respectful to our new partner.

Mr. Still Weary, the last thing we need is a bull in a china shop for a mayor. You are too close to see the truth.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

I thought you were voting for J Max?

Me too, HamBurger posted Max Davis and Becky Chase were his candidates.

It is hard to post under different persona, repeatedly, over long periods, and not slip up. It almost takes a person who is able to control their clinical diagnoses.

There was a guy from Tucker that did it really well....

Folks, I am voting for J. Max Davis and Rebecca Chase Williams. I want you to have the leaders you deserve for your new city. Who else stands a chance in district #1? Besides, with all the scrutinization they will be receiving at city council meetings, they will surely boost my city hall concession business!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hamburger, I have been away, but back now!! I find your comment very contradictory. You have stated you are voting for J Max. Don't be changing your tune now!! He has already counted your vote!!

Correct, Phil, if I may:

Y'all are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."

Mr. Phil, you forgot to clarify that your statement applies to the one quarter of the registered voters that make up the 55%.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

That 1/4 of the registered voters that made up the 55% is the MAJORITY.

You ought not do math in public...

Three quarters of the registered voters did not vote. Just hope they keep on sleeping and do not start attending city council meetings.

Please pass the yellow mustard!