Major Cityhood Mailing; New Precinct Put On Hold
A wrapup of news and notes in the debate on Brookhaven cityhood.
July 2 marks 28 days until Brookhaven decides whether or not to incorporate, and cityhood proponents and opponents both engaged in major mass mailings over the weekend.
Many Brookhaven residents were greeted with fliers over the week both advocating and opposing municipalization.
Your editor received one anti-cityhood mailer, and two pro-city fliers this past Saturday.
Patch wants to know: did you receive these mailers over the weekend? If so, did they sway your opinion, one way or the other?
*****
In the meantime, the Reporter Newspapers published an article on Sunday regarding an item Patch readers have been discussing for weeks: the fact that DeKalb County is waiting to see if cityhood passes before deciding on a new location for its North Precinct.
Timothy Darnell
7:23 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Did you receive any of these fliers in the mail over the weekend? Patch did.
Eddie E.
7:48 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Yes I received it.
Yes it strengthens my resolve to vote NO!
Phil
8:14 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
I received the mailer. I was struck by the lack of up to date numbers. NO mention of the $1.4 Million more in HOST revenues that will go to Brookhaven. Inclusion of the supposed "deficit" that is now NOT going to be a deficit with the additional HOST revenues. Maybe they rushed the printing order after the Bogus "deficit" news and it was already printed when the HOST revenues were announced.
Bottom line? Very poorly done mailer with some copy writer very proud of himself with the "Brokehaven" monker that is already inaccurate by any reasonable logic.
Eddie E.
8:39 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Keep up......
Surplus = Bogus
Deficit = Real, looming, likely to be much greater than already published.
Host bailout = Unlikely to make any difference.
Dr. Jeff
10:15 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
The last mailer I received on Saturday did have information on the HOST figures, the mentioned the surplus and the fact that DeKalb County wasn't updating the $300,000 their recently reported deficit figure.
I have yet to receive a mailer from the NO camp and I believe I have a reputable mail carrier. Can anyone enlighten me to facts/figures the NO mailers are mentioning?
Eddie - were your comments stating the exact words found on a NO mailer?
Eric Hovdesven
11:51 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Dr. Jeff, Phil is speaking of the No Brookhaven flyer.
Bill Lowe
10:45 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
One of these Yes fliers(3rd one from the left) says: "Your property taxes will never increase unless you vote for an increase. By law a referendum will be required for all future tax increases."
This is misleading. It implies that your property taxes (and values) are set in stone when you vote yes for the city, which they are not. DeKalb County dictates what your property value is and you are taxed according to your value. If your property value increases, your taxes increase whether you are in a city or not.
There is also nothing in the rules that say that the city has to reduce the millage rate when property values rise.....But the flier is correct that there is a cap on the millage rate, and for that rate to increase, there would be a vote.
Just hope for rising property values. If they continue to decline then services will suffer and you will have to vote to increase your taxes to maintain the small efficient goverment that you are hoping for.
This reeks of desperation. Good thing it was put out by "Georgia Citizens For Responsive Government" and did not have the other desperate group name associated with it. I would think a "responsible" government would be a better fit than a "responsive" government. One implies reaction, the other implies accountibility.
Be wary. Be very, very, wary.
Dean
11:18 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
I think we can trust citizens to know the difference between tax RATE and tax amount.
Eric Hovdesven
11:49 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Also there is a legislation currently in place that freezes appraisals, and I doubt that it will not be renewed. So really the only way to raise the City portion of the taxes on your home or apartment would be to vote yes.
Bill Lowe
1:46 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
What a world of difference including the word "city" makes in the following sentence:
"Your city property taxes will never increase unless you vote for an increase. By law a referendum will be required for all future city tax increases."
Removing the word city from that sentence changes the whole thing doesn't it?
Citizens will read this as if voting for the city does indeed freeze the value of their property as well as their taxes in general and only by way of a vote will they ever increase.
Dirty Birdies.
Glad to know BrookhavenYes was not behind that mailer.
Dr. Jeff
6:33 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Bill, Bill, Bill....
If you're going to insult our intelligence you've got to do a better job! LOL!!! Desperation seems to be your strong suit.
Dean
10:10 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Bill just has sore feelings that his area wasn't able to feasibly be included within Brookhaven.
Stan
11:13 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
@Bill, If we stay unincorporated property assessments can rise causing higher taxes. If we incorporate, property assessments can rise causing higher taxes. If we stay unincorporated the millage rate can rise, causing higher taxes. If we incorporate, the millage cannot rise without a referendum of the voters.
So yes, voters should be wary of the County raising millage rates.
Eric Hovdesven
11:54 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Did anyone get that crazy paper by Dolly Purvis that Ms. Mesh or someone funded? Very odd, it was supposed to look like a newspaper but was a campaign piece against cityhood that had some glaring factual inaccuracies. Including that fales statement that Dunwoody had a 15.7% drop in revenues which is a misreading of their budgeting process because as they said at the SRO meeting Dunwoody always underbudgets so the Budget shows a low forecast for 2012 but adjusts the 2011 numbers for what has been experienced.
Phil
1:31 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Yes...I got that supposedly new newspaper too. It did not take me long to realize it was a front for the NoCityBrookhaven marketing campaign. New newspaper? LOL.
When the supporters of an issue resort to underhanded and misleading attempts to get their point across, it calls into question the very credibility of that side.
The Dolly Purvis newspaper had ads for NoCity Brookhaven and numerous articles on why the city is a bad idea. And their cover was that they invited BrookhavenYes to submit to an interview, but they never got a hold of anyone from the organization. Although they left voicemail messages.
It will be interesting to see if this Dolly Purvis "newspaper" has another issue published AFTER the July 31 election date.
Max
1:55 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Hello Dolly!
As written here:
http://www.examiner.com/article/engaging-politics-is-not-just-for-the-professionals-it-s-for-everyone
"If you must be an Urban Highway Beautification specialist, by all means, don’t do it in your own neighborhood, and don’t just fling the signs in your trunk. Drop them on the ground where they stood so that petty theft charges aren’t pressed.
Campaigns are also a good way to get in touch with your inner acrobat. Ever wonder how the bumper stickers end up too high on the telephone pole? They have to work quickly because the light is about to change.
Signs on overpasses? Truly a potential death trap, hanging signs from overpasses and railroad bridges is really just a throwback to our collective Southern youth. Don't forget your spray paint!"
Danny Marshall
9:56 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Gotta love that someone wasted a few trees printing a pseudo-policitcal flier married with a few informative articles, like how to stay cool in the heat, coverage of the John Edwards trial and, oh by the way, 85 references to No City Brookhaven. Must have cut Ashford Neighbors a good deal for buying up so many advertising spots, Costco style.
Max
10:39 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
And finally, I was not a dunwoody dissenter in as much as I truly want to see DeKalb re-establish itself as a premier place to live, work, and play.
Until we, as DeKalb citizens get our representatives to 'do better' incorporation will continue. I met so many wonderful, impressive, civic leaders, Paul DeFriese, Gil Turman, who want to see DeKalb improve.
We still do.
not one of 60
12:18 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Ms. Mesh tacky coner of hodge-podge-world fest? mess is the first thing that needs to go! more like 3rd world of N GA. Straw hats & all. Ugh, when I drove by Saturday en route to Dunwoody I really wanted to Vomit.
Eddie E.
2:30 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
This from someone who was 'driving to Dunwoody'.
Dr. Jeff
6:46 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Perhaps a drive to Dunwoody might enlighten your mind. So many non-Dunwoody residents do so for all sorts of viable reasons. Let's go for a drive!
Eddie E.
9:55 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Dr. Jeff,
Dunwoody incorporation COST ALL OF DEKALB by confiscating commercial property.
I have no reason to ever cross 285 ending up in Dunwoody again.
Max
10:42 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Hamburger,
Do I lack clarity? Do you still not understand?
Please rinse, wash, repeat, it's all you are good at.
Eddie E.
2:34 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
I have always felt it was too convenient that the Opposed City bubbled up from the sewer partly on 'improving public safety' although existence of the Opposed City would eliminate the ALREADY PLANNED North Precinct Station at PDK!
We get to choose:
Real Police, close at hand and moving through the area to patrol here or get anywhere they are supposed to go
OR
A little tiny toy police department 'supplied' by a for profit contractor.
The choice should be clear.
A Resident
3:37 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
@Eddie E
Please cite your reference for the police being 'supplied' by a profit contractor. I have never seen anything but the police would be full time employees of the city. It's time to cite that reference and stop fabricating false statements
Max
6:56 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Come up to Dunwoody and 'toy' with our Police, the response might be the same as dissing DeKalb's finest. Neither would appreciate your disrespect.
Look, I get that you are a County apologist, content with last year's illegal $40,000,000 Park Bond malfeasance and a 26% property tax increase, but do not insult the po-po, I'm just sayin'.
It is hogwash to discuss locating a major precinct at PDK, it is too far from the highway, making quick access unsafe and time-consuming. In other words, that whole argument is fluff, you are being played.
Do better or do nothing at all.
HamBurger
7:28 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Mr. Max, I do not understand why someone that is a citizen of Dunwoody and involved in Dunwoody politics would continue to interject himself into Brookhaven cityhood. You say you care about DeKalb, but this cityhood issue, for you, is separate and apart from our cityhood vote.
And then you of all people, a Dunwoody resident, question someone about their residency in Brookhaven? Please, be happy with your city and let us deal with ours. Your continued interjection raises many questions about your future intentions.
If the city does not pass, PDK is an excellent location as it provides secondary helicopter location. It is already the fueling station regardless of helicopter location. The highway issue is no big deal as I-85 is two miles south. The prime reason for the location is to be cost effectively in the north precinct service area.
Am I the only one that has questions about Dunwoody citizen Mr. Max Lehmann’s continued interest in the future vote for the city of Brookhaven?
Man, those are some of the finest thin sliced onions I think I have ever seen!
Eddie E.
9:58 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Max,
I was talking with an old friend who lives in Dunwoody today.
He was not a cityhood supporter, but he was pleased with the first 'council'.
Then when they were more interested in doing what they were supposed to and were ousted by the developer set, he realized clearly why he had been opposed.
By the way, as he tells it, he never sees the Police, so I hope he never needs them.
They will probably be busy at Perimeter Mall covering petty thefts.
Eddie E.
9:59 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Max,
At least your last line makes sense 'do nothing at all'....
After all NO MEANS NO!
Dean
10:05 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Thank you for bringing your unique perspective as a former Dunwoody dissenter to our attention, Max
HamBurger
10:16 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Mr. Eddie, DPD is very busy with the hot spots. That is exactly why the chief wants to add to his staff today what the hoped for budget in 2017 will allow . . . But he has to wait five years for what today demands . . .
Please pass the yellow mustard!
HamBurger
10:37 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Mr. Max, verbal masturbate all you like, you still have not answered my repeated question as to why a Dunwoody resident that is immersed in Dunwoody politics is involving himself in the Brookhaven cityhood movement.
I think the small amount of development at Ashford & Johnson Ferry is great. You are aware that all the apartments you refer to are being built by the DeKalb Housing Authority, right?
Apparently, you have an extreme hatred for DeKalb County. You are not interested in making DeKalb government better; you are intent on destroying DeKalb.
And, I am selfserving?
Please pass the yellow mustard!
Eddie E.
11:53 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Max,
That's a hoot.
austin scott and 'prudence' in the same sentence.
If there was ever a more self-serving sellout politician (with the possible exception of the mis-Representative of the 80th District) I don't know who it is.
I guess it is good for him he has a sufficient number of low-information voters that don't realize he exemplifies the 'Do Nothing Congress'.
There should be a blog drinking game for such boners!
Dr. Jeff
9:59 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hamburgular,
Your delicacies have gnats, flies, and maggots all over them... shut your operations down or DKPD's finest will be over to shut ya down.
And since you're so great asking the same old obnoxious questions over and over again to cast red herrings into the sea... how about answering why our bond money never built a new library but instead was confiscated and used to cover operations for a mis-managed bloated govt.
Dr. Jeff
10:08 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Eddie:
Stop with the insulting comments about good people. Those of us in the 80th district are highly professional, hard working, charitable, accountable, intelligent & sick of your silly insulting comments.
Just because your momma has to call you home to your room in the retirement village doesn't mean we'll call you the village idiot... even though you are one!
Stan
3:43 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
I too would like to find out where you got the idea that police services would be supplied by a for profit contractor. The City of Brookhaven will have a full time police force dedicated to the 12 square miles of Brookhaven.
Eddie E.
4:34 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Well, anonymous posters, look no further than your shining city on the hill, Dunwoody or its neighbor Sandy Springs.
Who owns the police cars? The police gear? Who is responsible for the police medical care and pensions?
Isn't this the where the magic of 'free market outsourcing' was supposed to save all the money to create the bogus surplus?
I would suggest everyone who is interested look into the contracting process for supplying these services and see 'who' owns the resources upon which the public is relying. Each of them is a little different, but the Opposed City is patterned on one in particular.
Also, in the event of a bankruptcy or contract dispute, to whom would the 'city employees' be responsible, since they are in actuality employees of a private contractor.
You can't have it both ways!
Max
6:57 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Honestly, Eddie, if you cannot swim well, stay out of the deep end of the pool.
Is is true that you do not live in Brookhaven's voting area?
HamBurger
7:34 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Mr. Max, and you live in Dunwoody, right?
Please pass the yellow mustard!
Eddie E.
10:01 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Max,
I live 4 blocks from the new precinct station that I hope to see built when the Opposed City goes down to a dismal defeat.
Now, answer my question, WHO OWNS THE POLICE SERVICES AND EQUIPMENT IN DUNWOODY?
I've read some of the proposals for the first contract and I can tell you, it ain't any city.
Max
10:24 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
I live in DeKalb and I have a vested interest in this matter, so drop the nonsense and get busy 'splaining why those apartments got built. How many of them are designated as 'affordable'?
Eddie E.
11:57 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Max,
Whatever apartments you are whining about has nothing to do with answering the question....
WHO OWNS ALL THE DUNWOODY POLICE DEPARTMENT?
Is it the 'city' (that owns nothing) or the 'prime contractor' that is required by the contract to OWN EVERYTHING?
In looking, it appears you are referring to some DHA apartments. What is it you have against people who clearly need help? Are you an ayn rand follower or just a self-absorbed miscreant?
Eddie E.
12:00 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Max, Stan, Dean,
Were you guys part of the super-secret C4ND donors group?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Dean
8:33 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
I was not.
Your repeated insinuations of some sort of conspiracy do you a disservice Eddie, it has to be made up unless you really do wear a tinfoil hat?
Eddie E.
10:29 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Dean,
Thanks, that's one down.
I just want to know who is responsible for generating this huge waste of time and energy.
Those of us working to stop this fiasco will be legally reported and verified, while those who decided 'what was best for us' will remain forever secret.
Doesn't that seem the slightest bit odd to you?
Max
11:11 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Eddie,
You are bowing up for the wrong reasons! I have never paid one red cent to any incorporation cause. I am an activist for this cause because I actually wish to see DeKalb improve operations and financial controls.
The trend toward incorporation is working, hiccups and all. This ought to be a very clear signal to our hardworking reps in Decatur, and the entire DeKalb Delegation to begin serious discussions toward 'consensus' on governance issues common to ALL DeKalb.
Stan
5:13 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
I believe the police in both Dunwoody and Sandy Springs are employees of the city and not contract employees.
HamBurger
5:37 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Mr. Stan, agreed. And, I believe this to be so for liability purposes. However I was surprised to hear (and correct me if I am wrong) Ms. Galambos say that Sandy Springs only has seven full time employees.
Regardless, I had rather have a complete and effective DCPD instead of a fledgling police department that is the “fund raising” branch of the new city. I have experienced this in Pine Lake, Clarkston, and I hear this about Sandy Springs Roswell, Johns Creek and Dunwoody. Yeah, you don’t want to show your arse in DeKalb, but DeKalb has the ability to perform orchestrated traffic stops and concentrates on more important things instead of handing out tickets for ridiculously minor issues.
I have not had a ticket in years but I understand a visit to traffic court for the least expensive ticket can set you back $125 to $150. I can see where this can really become a profit center for a new city.
Special hamburger and Cheerwine?
Phil
6:09 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Ms. Galombas said that "outside of the police force, Dunwoody has 7 full time employees."
Eddie E.
10:02 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
But, did she read from cards or did she state it from memory?
not one of 60
9:17 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2012/06/29/100m-project-proposed-for-sandy-springs.html
not one of 60
9:21 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Wish I could walk or bike, but you would need safe adequate routes segregated from fast traveling traffic.
not one of 60
10:56 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Dcpd s corrupt. I feel sorry for the good officers, I would never call thm nor trust them. Gun owner. Guard dog onwer. Dekalb corrupt police avoider.
Eddie E.
11:58 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
You left out sad little person with tinfoil taped to the windows.
Dr. Jeff
9:43 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Well Eddie,
If I follow your logic about never wanting to cross over 285 again, then I'll send my best wishes as you move out of DeKalb county due to its confiscation of our bond money and no new library. Happy trails bud!