By the way the actual question asked was; Would you favor or oppose legislation that would allow residents of unincorporated North DeKalb County to choose whether to annex into an existing city or create a new city for themselves?

Would favor 63.5%

Would oppose 18.0%

No opinion 18.5%

Here is the entire poll. Also note Dems, Republicans and independents favored it.
http://brookhaven.patch.com/articles/poll-released-shows-registered-voters-want-brookhaven-to-incorporate

Its also interesting how this has been in the public eye for some time. http://brookhaven.patch.com/articles/brookhaven-annexation-and-incorporation-to-be-studied-by-local-universities

By the way the Murphey Candler Survey of its residents was done well before Mike's Telephone Poll. I don't think we considered the Brookhaven option at the time.

On February 25 we took the following survey in our community. This represented about 50% of the community.

If a referendum on the creation of a city of Ashford were held today HOW WOULD YOU VOTE?
Yes - create the city
76%
No - do not create the city
21%
I would not vote
3%

Stan,

Could you define the parameters of the 'community' that was questioned?

Co-signed to echo the comments above. Nothing that hasn't been said already, but my hat's off to the group for an inclusive effort. I look forward to digesting more of it this weekend.

-Danny

Eric,
That your neighborhood favored some sort of change is fine for you.
You seem to be unable to accept that at least EVERYTHING SOUTH OF PEACHTREE wants no part of this. Without those of us who are quite happy to be left alone, there is no longer anything approaching 'feasibility'.

EDDIE!!!!! You are so frustrating. Please read the comments. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about Jodi's comments, which traces some of the other comments that we are just Jilted wannabe Dunwoodyites.

I live south of Peachtree, while we weren't part of the group that started the idea, myself and many neighbors haven't given in to fear, uncertainty and doubt, we realize that there are many possible advantages to incorporation and now fully back he city hood movement.

Eric,
You seem to approach this from a standpoint that there is only one opinion and one position of interest.
I'm sorry you take umbrage to Jodi's answer by deflection. Maybe she can fill in some additional details.
By the way, what polling was done in advance of this effort bulldozing through the General Assembly in 'districts' 2,3 and 4?

deflection of what? I certainly don't think there is a monolithic opinion on Cityhood. you know that. That's why I asked on the other thread about the fact that each of the 4 districts will probably have a very different type of council person. Or at least there will be diversity of opinion on the council. Which is a good thing.

Yes I know there seems to be a lot more opposition to the city idea in your neighborhood, I don't agree its everywhere since actually Brookhaven could result in lower rental rates by dropping taxes on rental units (they never had HOST so they aren't losing it) . I would love to see a legitimate poll done that breaks out the cityhood feeling by each of the 4 districts. If it turned out we had a situation where the will of 2 or 3 districts was forcing something on another district that a strong majority didn't want then that certainly would make me want to vote no.

And I'll discuss that all you want on another thread. My post here was directed at a specific point and you come in and make a comment that has nothing to do with my point.

I'm sorry but I think you do that a lot.

"By the way, what polling was done in advance of this effort bulldozing through the General Assembly in 'districts' 2,3 and 4?" Eddie if districts 2, 3 and 4 are against it then it won't pass. All the districts have approximately the same population. Yes I understand district 4 may have fewer voters.

See now you've got me to go off track. My point here is that the swipes taken were based on a misunderstanding of what's going on in the greater Murphey Candler area. I'm not saying that to dismiss your or Jodi's anger at the way you were treated . I'm just saying your attribution of motivation is totally off base.

"See now you've got me to go off track. My point here is that..." ---Eric

You don't when you have left mincing words with yourself to mince words with others.

The whole issue of Mike Jacobs dropping a bill in 2011 (HB428) to annex Murphy Candler / Nancy Creek into Dunwoody and Dunwoody saying it would be too expensive for the city is pretty well documented. For instance:
http://dunwoody.patch.com/articles/new-annexation-legislation-aimed-at-dunwoody-sponsored-by-jacobs-taylor
http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2011/03/10/dunwoody-view-annexing-areas-dunwoody/

The issue of Rebecca Chase Williams being appointed by Elaine Boyer as District 1's Zoning Board of Appeals member (along with Collette McDonald as the Dist. 1 DeKalb Planning Commissioner) is quite pertinent to the discussion. The ZBA is tasked with approving or denying local zoning issues that have consequences to this area. She and Ms. McDonald serve District 1 as representatives for DeKalb County (i.e. Local Representation) Both Ms. Williams and Ms. McDonald were members of Citizen's For North DeKalb and are proponents of the new city. The question is how will their "experience" working for DeKalb County Zoning and Land Use issues be used for the new city?

One of Ms.Williams contributions just recently was to make a motion to approve zoning variances to obliterate the Brookhaven Overlay, as well the parking requirements for a business in an area that does not have enough parking as it is.

Eddie is it possible that we keep this thread limited to the issues raised in this most helpful document?
I don't object to the question but lets go into that on another thread such as the one where you posted this question originally.
And Not one in 60 I would ask you to save your links and other such things for the other threads.

Eric,
This is expanding on one of the questions in the 'Project'.
Is there some other reason that gaining a full, clear and transparent answer to that question is not warranted?

Bill,
It is probably worth noting that, despite crumbling infrastructure that is finally being attended, the high school for 'our' neighborhood elementary school (Ashford Park) is already nationally in no small part due to the hard work and diligence of the PTA and Charter Governance Council. Representatives of the 'type of people' who have been here for decades.

I'm also going to read the whole report this weekend but that "type of people" comment by YesBrookhaven that Bill pointed out caught my eye so I read that (p23). Lots of ways you can read that and one way of reading it worries me. Would love some clarification on that.

As to the BrookhavenNo answer I'm not sure how a School/can taxes go up a lot question veers off into the the the Milton City Council disagreements but ok.

I would point out that the Franchise Fee's probably effect renters far less since 1 most renters are not getting land lines (heck many homeowners aren't either, including me). But renters because they don't have alarm systems and/or are there on a more temporary basis just use their Cell phones. And their electricity use is far lower since apartments need less heating and air conditioning since they share interior walls and are smaller, so the franchise fee increase will be far less. By the way $186 every month is pretty high, even for a house, unless you have no gas service, so She might want to check her system.
And because apartments never got the Host exemption the effective millage rate savings is far higher on apartments than the $5 per 100,000 so the savings will be far greater for apartment complexes. To simply dismiss that savings under the premise that the market is not efficient and savings will not be passed along or invested back into the apartments to make them better is a not a conclusion I agree with.

Bill -

Give it a rest, Bill. Let's comb through Ms. Cobb's hard work and nit pick that as well. Plenty of bitterness to comb through in hers if you want to. What I think should happen is that we acknowledge the hard work done and review both points of view with an ope\n mind.

Mr. William, my advanced apologies if the previous anti-city post does not meet with your approval. However, knowing that you have intimated you are a majority AOL stock holder, I understand the consequences of my radical position as an individual not in favor of the new city.

Would you care for a special hamburger?

The way I understand it some community members were concerned about the initial council district setup with "at large" districts for exactly the reason you mention Hamburger, so it was changed in the final version to 4 districts with equal numbers of citizens and no at large reps

Mr. Dean, the flaw is the voter count in each district. The first vote is the most important and sets the stage. You are in District 004 and you will have little to no voice. Check the map and you may want to start asking questions.

Charcoal is on, smell it? Yeah baby!

My, 'Just Say No To Jacobshaven' buttons make the point.

Dean,
Howsabout changing to no districts whatsoever and solve the problems at hand.

But that would have required open outreach to the communities involved and LISTENING to what those communities had to say.

Wouldn't it.

Hamburger, please explain how I will have "little or no say"?

We will elect a council member that represents our district, if you are concerned that there are fewer voters among the citizens in my district I will actually have a LARGER say with my vote as to who will represent my district.

Mr. Dean, I have commented on this issue at least two times previous maybe three. Two were in response to Mr. Eric and contain the potential traps. Please take time to review them and take a good look at the proposed city map making yourself familiar with the neighborhoods in question. If you still are not clear in the next day or two, let me know and I will detail it further.

Sorry I cannot take the time now, that news flash is coming in on my dial-up and I can see the data bulging the cable slowly making its way to the computer. I am afraid if I send too much data out I will have an outbound cable bulge collide with the inbound and burst the cable and put me off line for a day or three . . . Mr. William would just love that . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hamburger I appreciate the analysis and the lack of bluster, thank you. I also don't disagree with your analysis of how many voters are in each district. But I'm not sure I follow that through to your conclusion.

Each district still gets a council person with equal power.

The Mayor is an at large position so since there are more voters in District 1 we will get more votes for Mayor. But District 1 still doesn't have such an overwhelming amount of votes that they will pick the Mayor. Or are you saying that while the population looks fairly diverse the registered voting base for an at large vote looks far more like District 1?

I do agree with Dean's point that not doing at large for the 4 district positions improves the situation.

Though I guess you are saying the area south of Peachtree is far more a minority for the Mayor elections (at large) and thus unfairly being corralled into a new city where your voices will be powerless?

I see that as a valid concern. Though I'm still not convinced defeating the Cityhood bill is the best way to deal with it. Ironically it seems if the Cityhood bill was defeated it would indicate you guys have sufficient power.

Granted I assume they've drawn a city that leans Republican. And as a Democrat that puts me in the minority. Though this issue doesn't appear to be a purely Republican vs. Dem issue, there are different divisions.

Mr. Eric, my brief analysis does not do justice to the numbers it is based on. It is all about the voter to population ratio and voter turnout. The closer you look at how the lines are drawn and what they did not follow, the more it leads one to believe District 001 is the most powerful district by design. The other three districts were almost an afterthought.

Man! No food more than 24 hours old don’t work here! We cook’em fresh per order, you know special hamburgers!

burgee have special burger but no special someone

Ok Hamburger, I've still got more questions, but for now I'll just keep an eye out on that issue (i.e. file it under issues I need to get more info on).

Mr. William, my advanced apologies if the previous anti-city post does not meet with your approval. However, knowing that you have intimated you are a majority AOL stock holder, I understand the consequences of my radical position as an individual not in favor of the new city.

My special hamburger offer still stands . . .

Hamburger you have repeated that trope so many times, each time I ask how you expect our area to make a difference with such a large bureaucracy (DeKalb) that has many other priorities (and other constituencies) than our area...each time you don't respond.

Mr. Dean . . . An old HamBurger proverb . . . Leave no stone unturned.

You use this in sales? If not, this is something you do not want KM to know . . . What works in the private sector scares the Hell out of the public sector.

When we defeat this city nonsense, I will show you how it works.

Special hamburger?

I see you learned how to use Google HamBurger...disappointing your side would once again turn to personal attacks, but I guess if that is all you have...

Mr. Dean, Google? As big as this town is, it is amazing just who you know and how your paths cross.

Separate and apart, stay tuned, I have a news flash for you . . .

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Easy to hide behind an anonymous moniker making personal threats and spreading FUD isn't it?

Pretty despicable, congratulations on a setting a new low in this debate.

Mr. Dean, let’s be crystal clear. Mr. HamBurger has made no personal threats. Mr. HamBurger is not accustomed to making personal threats. Mr. HamBurger takes nothing personal that is said on this forum.

However, he has been known to quickly get the attention of those threatening him in a way that could harm him, his associates or loved ones.

Life and freedom are too valuable to risk it all for irrational behavior. Please be careful, sometimes late in the evening folks do not think before they post.

I will be back tomorrow with your district 004 answer.

Hamburger, I've thought of that.

They are incapable of "positive change" on any issue.

They have their agenda.

And that's that.

"I see you learned how to use Google HamBurger...disappointing your side would once again turn to personal attacks, but I guess if that is all you have..." ---Dean Matthews

Really?

Though it's been a while, I again ask: Just where (within whose U.S. Congressional District in "2004") is this Sam's Club located?

http://bit.ly/nWDzCU

There's nothing we can do to effectuate change with the county except take control over some of the most pressing issues by forming a new city. South DeKalb will always out vote us and will elect officials that continue to do pet projects in their area like soapbox tracks at a cost of $100k while Briarwood park folks are left hanging. All these calls for community actions are useless. OUr communities have been working toward getting some love from the county for years for nothing. It will never change.

From: Mr. Jeff

Sent: 6/7/2012 1:16:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Brookhaven City Planning Meeting & Volunteer Meetings

We are less than 2 months from the July 31 vote and nearly 6 months from the start of our new city. Thank you for your continued support!

We will have 2 very important meetings next Wednesday, June 21 – one for volunteers to assist with the July 31 referendum campaign, and another for those interested in assisting with planning our new city…

Volunteer Meeting – 6:30pm, Wednesday June 13 at Keller Williams office in Town Brookhaven

City Planning Meeting – 8:00pm, Wednesday June 13 at Keller Williams office in Town Brookhaven

You are invited to attend either, or both, meetings. If interested in assisting to plan the new city, please reply with which area below is of primary interest as we will be forming task force committees for each. We look forward to seeing you next Wednesday, June 13!

Admin & Finance
Parks
Planning & Zoning
Police
Public Relations & Marketing
Public Works (Roads & Drainage)

Again, thank you for your continued active support of our new city!
Best regards, jeff

Well, what do you folks think? Are a select few circumventing the majority because they feel this is the only way they can succeed? And, if you have something to hide, maybe it deserves a NO vote?

Good evening, I shall retire and dream of my special hamburgers and how to perfect perfection. I just hope I don’t have that crazy vision of JM(Golf Cart)D and his translating cockroach disturbing me . . . What a nightmare!

According to the Brookhaven No people Drew Valley is very well organized, heck they are able to get the county to do things promptly for them. I'm not saying that can't be done but i agree with them it takes a lot of work and staying on top of people.

Seems to me with a neighborhood that well organized it doesn't make sense why they weren't able to muster the attention DECA was able to do.

As seen with DECA things were adjusted after they spoke up.

Guess we will see how the area really feels on July 31.

Not directly related but I don't doubt there is more opposition in some neighborhoods and suspect today's mailer reflects that things don't look. Or it was just a poorly written piece since comparing the millage rate with out acknowledging the effective millage rate (adj for HOST) is kind of stupid.

But as I said about the NO Brookhaven mailout with misstatements that seems to be the way of politically motivated mailouts.

So thanks again the folks who did this Question and Answer project.

BTW Bill at square 12 miles with a very geographically even boundary (rectangular) with 85, Chamblee, Dunwoody and Fulton bounding it, from a services and map point of view the City makes perfect sense. If you are hung up on the name then ok, not sure what name would have been better. If you are hung up on everyone not being the same then i don't agree.

Also you never apologized for the below, so posting it in case you missed it.
Bill wrote on another thread: "The rejects from Dunwoody were afraid that they would be annexed into Chamblee," Bill , nothing could be further from the truth and I'm disappointed that you would buy into this false talking point. Tell you what I won't dismiss you as merely being a jilted wannabe Brookhavenite if you don't try to justify your opposition to the city by buying into the false talking point that this is merely a movement by jilted wannabe dunwoodyites.

And note i'm the one who defended your right to have a say even though you don't live in the proposed city because i recognize others are effected - though now i'm questioning that choice.

City Yes, Mr. Bill has made some very good points with his posts over the past few months. He does have an interest in what goes on with the Brookhaven vote because as an unincorporated property owner he is affected by the outcome.

As far as fools go, that was a very foolish mailing I received from Brookhaven Ballot Committee today. Hey, just take part of a sentence and highlight it to fit your needs . . . Oops! We forgot to eliminate the un-highlighted portion that gives insight to the complete sentence! Did we really do that and mail it out? Fools . . .

I am certain don Gabacho will have something interesting to say on the subject of fools . . .

One special hamburger coming up! Would you like a Cheerwine to drink?

“Greg - you ain't seen nothin yet.”

City Yes, damn, who told you what is going to happen? I thought this was a well kept secret!

LOL, looking forward to your comments . . .

You are not going to want a special hamburger; you won’t even want triple strength pain killers. You are going to want a hospital . . .

Sounds like Hamburger is warning us he and his buddies are preparing to unleash yet more FUD and personal attacks.

It won't work.

YesMan,
The name is not Greg. It's Grieg. No hate speech from me. Just pointing out you can't spell and it doesn't help with your credibility when you are trying to spread your FUD.
Dean, you are right. The BrookhavenYes FUD won't work. Good point. Especially if it's spelled wrong. Oh, BTW on your website millage is spelled mileage. (and it's abbreviation is mills not mils). It's only English my friend......and spell check.

Mr. Dean, or, could it have something to do with Brookhaven Yes and Rep. Mike Jacobs, and not No City? You have a neighborhood meeting tomorrow; ask them what potential boom might be lowered on their pro city campaign next week.

Also, ask them why District 004 will have the least input in the new city.

Post their responses and I will respond.

Man! Just something about nice cool late spring and charcoal!

Then either you can't read or you aren't paying attention to what is REALLY being discussed.
The talking points have failed, roll up the tent and go away.

Show us the poll. Where is it? JMax, where are the cross tabs? You don't have a real poll, sir. If you did, you would have shown us already. FUD.

Ever heard Fraud in the Factum? I am sure you have as an attorney, JMax. FUD.

City Yes, I appreciate your concern.

Mr. Grieg, City Yes ain’t got nothing except signs of desperation and a Rep. Mike Jacobs scrambling like a squirrel chasing a nut trying to figure just what is going on with all this rejection of his new dream city!

Now, just where is my Anybody But Mike sign?

Certainly! I will have just one more special hamburger!

Like getting Mike Jacobs to help you do a mailer and Robo Calls through his connections with a particular company that does his mailers and Robo Calls. Also, there are those who know first hand that someone inside a certain Yes organzation told others to create pseudonyms "like I do" and post on the Patch. Geez.

oh its a different box at the same Cambridge Square UPS store as BrookhavenYes.

Mr. Eric, TSPLOST is being sold as 1%, but that is not the actual rate.

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Eric,
Sensible post. YesMen will not tell you the details of their grandiose scheme such as the particulars of the HOST and the net/net result. There are some good reasons conceptually for cityhood, but, and I mean but, it has to be done right, when the time is right, and be overwhelmingly a no brainer. What is it we are REALLY voting on July 31? A ton of unanswered questions. A very risky proposition. In a terrible economy with record unemployment. In a time with widespread uncertainty. The time for a city of Brookhaven is not now. The plan is flawed and the basis is factually incomplete. We do not need to get into something we cannot get out of easily. This is not a business which we can liquidate through bankruptcy. We will be stuck with it.

And another thing, let's start with ousting Elaine Boyer, getting together as a community and going to the county in large numbers and get what it is we want. Together.

But that's one of the main attractions of a city. Trying to get the county's ear is often an arduous task that wears many folks down. Sure on big issues you can wind people up. But the day to day stuff?
Bottom line things like Police, Zoning and Code Enforcement, and Parks are really ideal things to push down to a more local level.

Am I being lazy because i'm attracted to the notion of a city where its easy to know who to call? Where they will know fairly quickly just what you are talking about? Where I can stop by on my way to the train station to ask a question or look at some development plans/zoning proposals by a developer? I don't think so.

And the we need more time stuff doesn't really sway me. Yes Dunwoody and Sandy Springs are different. But in many way they are the same - we aren't reinventing the wheel. We're repeating what, in my opinion, has been successfully done before.

I could say waiting 2 years could hurt in that I think the development activity will pick up and it would be nice to start working on visions for parks and future development now while there is a lull.

Though one good thing about this cityhood debate it finally got the county to re-stripe the bike lanes that wore off of Ash Dun 2 years ago. I was going to rent a bus and bring some folks down to Decatur and spend a half day there to get the county to bring a paint can out for this 1/4 mile stretch so this saves me a bunch of money.

TSPLOST not 1%?

All because Dunwoody said no thank you. Pretty sound reasoning.

Eric,
I do enjoy being enabled to discuss various aspects of permanent, diminishing modification to governmental oversight of our area.

Yet I can find no reason whatsoever to support such a change. The issue of tax reduction has long been debunked and I am concerned that the real TAX INCREASES will be wildly greater than suggested, especially if this foolishness should pass and the 'Peachtree Corners Effect' is properly calculated.

The reality of misguided references to 'local control' are somewhat laughable in a population group this large. To attain 'local control' we would need to further sub-balkanize into groups of 5,000 or so, but doing so is financially impossible in an established metropolitan area. I moved from a small town just to be rid of constant bickering from people who could not accept that their pet issue was not the greatest concern of all assembled.

So, enlighten me. Devoid of these tow issues (at least one of which we agree on) what are ANY good reasons to increase our costs of property ownership and daily life to suit the interest of a tiny minority who are not being properly kissed by Dekalb County?

Thanks Eddie. Re: first point - taxes. Yes I would still be interested in the cityhood concept if the taxes were slightly more. But i'm not saying taxes will be more. The Vinson Budget has a lot of funding in there that's well above DeKalb's current levels such as the road paving/sidewalk budget and Parks budget..
But yes it really comes down to point 2 which we disagree on, and I can't say you are wrong.
As I've stated before I am thinking this could result developments that conform with the Brookhaven LCI principals to accelerate. 1. because of the local control which I do think is possible in districts of approximately 12,000 people and 2. because I think a city could make the area more attractive to developers.
I'm also in agreement with the folks involved with the Parks who are flustered by the County. Many of the staff are great folks but there are still issues, the latest illustration being a behind closed doors decision to spend money to install concrete driveways in the ball parks and between 2 parking lots instead of replacing old and unsafe playground equipment. I'm not saying which project has more merit, its just that the constant promises by the county to "next time" let the community know before a decision is made has once again been forgotten. There are reasons I do hate to hear: the shipping money to South DeKalb, then again I also hate to hear the Dunwoody Reject line from the other side. Both demonstrate an over simplification.

And by attractive to developers, I mean developers who get how to do it right. I've watched Chamblee do it right for years now, in part because its easier for the staff to implement and effect development guidelines. And thus far I've been impressed with Dunwoody's work. And this proposed city has even more "Smart Growth" talent or people that understand the concept than those other North DeKalb cities and I think this talent will be even more empowered by a City of Brookhaven.

Granted If that department got taken over by the talk radio fear mongering on U.N. Agenda 21 we are skrewed http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-soros-sponsored-agenda-21-a-hidden-plan-for-world-government-yes-only-it-is-not-hidden/ But thankfully those folks are so misguided by believing what they hear on talk radio or Faux News that they haven't infected the process and prevented sound science and reality winning out (yes land, development and its supporting transportation systems are a science - granted an often neglected or ignored science in Metro Atlanta).

Eric,
While you have spent an enormous amount of keystrokes attempting to mythologize the 'Dun-Jilted' idea, riddle me this, Prior to the Dan Weber Rush To Incorporate Dunwoody, when did you EVER hear anyone suggest even in passing the notion of incorporating a city?
Such a suggestion at a party would have produced a belly laugh. One need look no further than the running-in-place consistent with the City of Chamblee to see what a fool's errand it would be.
so tell me again how the 'Dun-Jilted don't exist and has nothing to do with the argument?
Also, as the developing shortcomings of Dunwoody finances and capability to provide services are revealed on a daily basis, tell me why waiting to determine if long term viability of the rushed municipalities is a bad idea.

If people are concerned about modification of parks (which, since my kid is grown is of somewhere between 0 and 5 on a scale of 50 for me), then set about a dedicated fundraiser and cooperate with the entity that currently OWNS the parks to accelerate any planned improvements.

Incorporating forever to solve a handful of nit-picky problems makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Eddie by "attempts" you mean the poll's i've cited and links I've provided to articles vs. the talking point "belief" held by the most ardent No City folks? And thus my comment above "There are reasons I do hate to hear: the shipping money to South DeKalb, then again I also hate to hear the Dunwoody Reject line from the other side. Both demonstrate an over simplification."

So because the idea was not discussed before Dunwoody that's the reason you, Jodi and Bil L feel the motivation for this movement was because we were jilted by Dunwoody (and a power grab by a select few)? Was Dunwoody jilted by Sandy Springs?

Ok here is what's going on.

1. Sandy Springs was 25 years in the making. But when it happened it opened the doors.

2. Dunwoody went through it fairly quickly.

3. Chamblee annexes everything up to 285

4. Proposed Brookhaven reacts to main complaints and redraws lines to not do a land grab.

5. Numbers indicate that Brookhaven is not taking an excessive portion of the tax base.

6. Chamblee proposes to annex south so that a neat and more efficient map layout is established that does offer real opportunities for DeKalb to right size itself.

7. DeKalb Raises my county taxes because of their refusal to right size enough.

Bottom line, I see Dunwoody is working as is Chamblee and Sandy Springs. And the numbers for Brookhaven are surprisingly good.

Do I lack Creativity? Yes. But learning from others does not equal jealousy.

Eric,
With each passing day and each new stone unearthed, the numbers as provided in the CVI study don't work and are not likely to improve. It might have been nice to give the Carl Vinson folks more to work with from the start, but if you want a cooked study you give them cooked numbers.
In short, there will never be any revenue 'surplus' from day one and the very strong likelihood is a huge DEFICIT that would be impossible to overcome if the fantasy 'cap' remains.
The police funding is inadequate and intentionally so to stick with the tiny, fantasy budget.
The park numbers were another fantasy and primarily a fund to rob to make up for inadequate police services.
There is no organic support for this plan as is demonstrated by just about every poll yet published.

If that reality doesn't give you pause, then I don't know what you seek.

City Yes, want another hand full of straw?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

You must be drunk Hamburger. You make no sense at all. You are a leech that sucks any productive energy out of these forums. I'm ignoring you.

City Yes, thank you!

Ready for that special hamburger?

Fumble a bit on that keyboard, did you?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

Hey J. Max Davis! Sup!

You smell’in charcoal?

Your mailer looks like it was done by an amateur and the information is less than factual. Way less.

I do look forward to this mailer being discussed, on stage at the comedy clubs.

A bad idea made worse by bad publicity.

Please keep up this angle of attack, it saves us tons of money!

Typical John Garst fodder.

That's a racist statement and it has been reported to the Patch. Apparently the IP address associated with this account is guilty of other offensive posts as well. It is being dealt with by the NY Patch office. The advertisers on Patch are upset by these attacks.

It appears >1/60th has returned with a new handle, but the same nonsense.

Enough people who read this know who I am (else I wouldn't be receiving calls and private emails to continue).
Suffice it to say I have lived here, in what would artificially be considered 'district 3' of the OPPOSED CITY and I have lived here and been an area businessperson for over 30 years.
So who they heck are you and does mommy know you are on the computer again?

Your three points are clear and quite obvious.

Why else would the current push be to change the subject and furiously backpedal the initial false 'benefits'.

Mr. Grieg, STILL laughing . . .

Special hamburger to you!

“E Pluribus Unum”, when you ain’t got noth’in, I guess that is what you do . . .

Man! Don’t let anything stop you from enjoying a Mr. HamBurger special hamburger!

EPU,
Just watch, if this nonsense passes, (and if it were followed by the unfortunate consequence of 66% one party rule in the General Assembly) the proponents will be jumping on the train to add yet another pointless county.
One election year allows us to stop two stupid ideas at once!

Link didn't work for me but its easy to find by selecting "starting with" and typing in Brookhaven. You get a long list but its alphabetical .

Says they were formerly Committee for a Better Brookhaven.

Not to be confused with abetterbrookhaven.org which is the website for the Brookhaven Peachtree Community Alliance aka Better Brookhaven, a different group entirely.

I don't recall you doing the same search for no city groups. Knew you were never just an objective concerned citizen just trying to sift through the facts.

Grieg just curious but can you tell me how you know? Unfortunately the corporate records only list a designated agent but no one else.

Mr Stan,
There were several posts that were very very crude nd demeaning that were responded to. Those were removed and thus mess up the conversation.

True, but I'm still waiting on the contributors list from C4ND, you know, our wonderful neighbors who started this mess and put our property values in peril.

Care to offer it up?

I'm still waiting for the contributor list to ALL the groups. Yes and No. Though at least its not as bad as the Superpacs thanks to the Republican Supreme Court's Citizens United decision.

Bright side is it looks like there will be lots of stimulating of economy with all the spending.