"Let the circus begin!" ---Hamburger

I'm considering running.

On a platform itemizing why nobody should vote for me.

So far, I've got two who won't vote for me.

Only 39,998 to go.

Can I count you in?

I don't like "yellow mustard."

Been a "Gulden's" boy all my life.

"Seriously, was this part of the plan all along? Surely not." "E Pluribus Unum

Just as the interest-conflcted C4DK morphed BY "citizens committee" was surely the real "commission."

Those already appointed to the non-elective commision will be what?

Vigilantes? Enforcers? Interim flunkies?

With a token "History" minded caretaker?

BTW. I attended the First Responders event at Ashford Park this evening.

One Chamblee Policeman was there. Including sunglasses.

And then a second arrived.

"I thought the Mayor was supposed to come from the Ashford district?"---Roger That

You did? Was that the deal?

Isn't it wonderful living in a democracy?

"One candidate so far for mayor. I am sure there will be more candidates. I, for one, want to see a NOCITY candidate run for mayor for the CITY."

If there is going to be a city at all, I'd like to see a canidate truly independent of both organizations.

"I am not saying I would vote for a NOCITY candidate...----Phil

Good. I'm considering running and, if I do, I wouldn't want your vote.

I agree Phil. Well said. I look forward to considering J. Max all other candidates who may toss their hat into the ring for the position of Mayor.

"I agree Phil. Well said."---Eric

In that case, I wouldn't want your vote too.

P.S. Eric,

You can be my legal advisor though.

Pro bono of course.

"Most reality TV shows can't be produced for under 25 million a year."---Bill Lowe

Nah. There's already plenty of cameras and capture-stages in place.

All they need to do is, if not already, plug-in.

"So you think you can run a city."

Sure I can.

His father apparently had some leadership skills.
I guess that proves such skills aren't genetic.

"Do you believe it when F Max Davis says "I truly hadn't seriously considered running until after the cityhood vote?" ---Joe

He's already on record, while a member of the "citizens committee" C4DK/BY for saying that he would not be a candidate for mayor. How does one arrive at such a statement without having thought about being mayor?

He did qualify his statement with "seriously" think about it. Should he not be included in being brought before the Georgia Bar Association for, how "seriously" or not, he, as a laywer, allowed himself to be a fellow member of a purported "citizens committee, "C4DK, while a fellow member (and lawyer) was, and remains, a State Representative?

Brought before the Georgia Bar Association for the same reasons that:

"'...It was improper to address the issue during the cityhood campaign.'"

The impropriety persists.

There is a poll here.
http://theotherbrookhaven.blogspot.com/2012/08/j-max-i-truly-hadnt-seriously.html

Welcome Ursula.

The unfounded personal attacks against Davis just because he evangelized incorporation are weak.

Best comment ever, Ursula, pardon my humor:

"It is intimidating to post on here because many of the posters get stoned. . . "

Que sera, sera!

"The unfounded personal attacks against..."---Dean

There you go again, like Jacbos did, personalizing valid argument with the falsehood that persons holding or seeking public office must be immune from being accountabe for what they say and do, or be 'personal.'

Quite convenient for those, like Jacobs, who think that, while holding public office while being a member of a "citizens committee" about governance also, also entitles them to switch roles from public citizen to private citizen whenever convenience---but hardly ethics--- dictates.

I now pose to you the same question repeatedly refused by Phil.

Given that a non-elected commission is to appoint just who is even going to police us: Just what is your definition for a Police State?

And please no more of your "Gleichschaltung": to coordinate, bring into line and make the same to establish totalitarian control.

I'm not clear on what exactly the commission will be doing, but we do know that they won't have the authority to make any laws or spend any money so what are you afraid of with there Don? I believe this is the same procedure every new city in Georgia goes through, again nothing nefarious.

Regarding personal attacks, calling a person fat and lying about their personal life has no rightful place in politics.

"I'm not clear on what exactly the commission will be doing..."---Dean

But you supported the proposal and, presumably, voted for it anyway.

P.S. "...nothing nefarious..."---Dean

While still "unsure" of what you supported, presumaby voted but encumbered others with anyway.

From the form and procedures taken, begining, at least publically with, C4DK//BY, I know it is.

Nothing speculative, Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal about it.

4:53 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

"[Regarding personal attacks,] calling a person fat and lying about their personal life has no rightful place in politics."---Dean

So you say. But only now. And, so far, only in the instance of many.

How convenient!

Seems like you are forgetting, don, that we voted on the formation of the city, this is what voters approved, to your obvious chagrin.

The point is that the interim commission isn't allowed to set law or spend any money, so your "police state" comment is more of the same, hysterics.

"The point is that the interim commission isn't allowed to set law or spend any money, so your "police state" comment is more of the same, hysterics."---Dean

What does setting law or spending any money later have to do with, for example, who the police are and being welcomed to join a later Brookhaven force?

In another post I did say I attended the First Responders event.

"Hysterics"? There was no either elective or, at least announced, non-elective commission in the park.

You tell me don, was trying to decipher your comment

"Given that a non-elected commission is to appoint just who is even going to police us: Just what is your definition for a Police State?"

"The point is that the interim commission isn't allowed to set law or spend any money, so your "police state" comment is more of the same, hysterics.'---Dean

Given the illigitmate form and procedures initiated and pursued---as would have had to have been predetermined---beginning with the so-called "citizens committee," C4ND, thru the referendum and its so-called results and to date, this commission, as any government following, is already subordiant, not to the people, but to the person and directives of he who denied even the time that could have allowed the commission's members to be elected.

As to the decipherability of my statement, "What does setting law... later have to do with...who the police are and being welcomed to join a later Brookhaven force"?

Beginning about 7:15 PM, the evening before yesterday, to well after 11 AM yesterday, it was impossible to re-edit, delete, post or even hit a back-space without the webpage returning to Brookhaven Patch's (re) sign-in page while all posts attempted were being blocked for approvals not forthcoming and accumulating...

..The malfunctioning began with my refutation of Eric's patentlly untrue legal opinion that "conflict of interest" must regard "hidden relationships" only---and not also "blatant."

Malfunctioning that quickly became impossible with my next attempt to post to only then have to attempt unsucessfully to re-edit and re-post:

"What does setting law or spending any money later have to do with, for example, who the police are and being welcomed---now---to join a later Brookhaven force"?

The malfunctioning targeted particularly "held for approval" and "delete." In fact the "delete" link had altogether disappeard until yesterday well after 11AM.

Moreover: while the malfunctioning was effecting only the commentary section under the heading: "Davis Running for Brookhaven Mayor" and no other.

Despite the fully explained commentaries prior, you nevertheless answer my question with my question.

No matter your quest for "gentrification"---and obviously its enforcement---I am not going to indulge you and your disingenuousness. For one example only: certainly not for yet another round of having my quotes of you be attributed to me.

I am thankful however in my confidence in, if I decide to run for Mayor, my being able to count on your not voting for me at least twice.

Well, my father was a rather noble man, but I can be rather unpleasant... same thing happens in other families.

He Will be a great leader for our city.

TRUE:
This is not a coronation. It is an election. And ANYONE who wants to run --can run.

TRUE: This is not a coronation." ---not one in one

True. It is certainly not a "coronation."

Coronations are, after all, reserved for Kings.

If he loses, he may remain a Pageboy.
If he wins he can stay a Pageboy.
If he then carries out exactly what he is told to do in full obeiance, he may then become a Squire.

In any case no even Knight much less King.

No?

"The city towing contract will be rewarded for its pro city support."---Greg Trinkle

That was rather sudden for Mayer to jump on this predetermined band-wagon.

www.rmayerofatlanta.com

Oh, I forgot, the arrogant blow-hard who personally challenged anyone to a debate then started singling out Laurenthia Mesh along with disparaging comments. What an inflated ego. A man who believes louder wins the argument. Oooof.

Then please run or support a more worhtwhile canidate! More people need to get invloved. Deal and W were elceted, just saying!

not one of 60 - you're right.

not much,
Is it your contention that we should seek out candidates that show absolutely no leadership skills and are able to create total disasters such as the two 'elected leaders' you referenced?

Not at all Eddie, not in the least. I would rather see people & faces that I did not even recognize; nor even know their names...

Here we go, folks! Another round of Dungeons and Dragons.

"the man whose mouth frothed with venom and bile throughout the race"--I never heard anything like this out of the guy, FreddieKay. I would definitely be concerned if he " frothed with venom and bile throughout the race". But I have seen no evidence of this characterization--and I attended many of the meetings and panel discussions.

Could you provide us with examples?

Significant online detractors?-- mostly anonymouse. I am sure your name is Freddie Kay, right? Sounds like you should report him to the Bar with your name attached versus posting serious charges here.

Look, it is easy to lob verbal hand grenades at someone in the public arena--but charaterizing the man as a liar, frothing with venom (ala the Devil Incarnate), slamming his ethics in his profession--without attribution and proof--it really destroys your credibility.

But, Freddie Kay, who would you like to see run for mayor? Do you have a preference? I am serious--- who do you think would do a great job as mayor of Brookhaven?

(PS--I would prefer someone un-Devil like).

Thanks for your reply.

"I would rather see people & faces that I did not even recognize; nor even know their names..." ---not one of one

In that case, if I decide to run, don't vote for me anyway.

"Deal and W were elceted"--- not one in one

Deal (who's suppose to be "W"?) was not elected to preempt the electorate by---at minimum---allowing a State Representative to be a member of a (so-called) "citizens' committee," regarding new governance no less, and lobbying representatives to pass a proposal; much less a proposal authored by the State Representative and not the so-called "citizens' committee" itself.

Similarly, also deny the electorate the time to (contingent on a presumibly legal proposal's refendum voting for cityhood) for candidatates from the electorate to declare themselves for election to any, even interim commission.

Even if Deal were elected to do all that, it doesn't change the illegality of it all.

Similarly the illegality inherent to any state code legislated to supposedly permit it.

No matter also that "That is how things are done in Georgia."

There are probably more lawyers serving as politicians than any other profession.

"There are probably more lawyers serving as politicians than any other profession."---Dean

Shouldn't that tell you why polticians are what they are?

I was not being condescending. I am serious. I include myself as one who is not as open minded about what I saw happen with the powers that be at NOCITY. I am upfront about that.

Ursula, however, apparently is more open minded than most here who post. And for that--I actually value her point of view than many others here--including my own.

EPU-- I am sincere in this. I wish more posters like Ursula who are more neutral--like independents in a national election--would add their thoughts here.

"Complain, complain, complain, and blame everbody else! Do nothing: the Amercian way! Sad! Get involed and make a difference; or support someone who you think will."---not one of one

"The American Way"? How do they do it in, say, Venezuela?

"Complain, complain, complain" about others who they claim are "doing nothing" when actually others are doing something?

When, for example, have you done anything except complain about myself (much less "support" me) for my having made an election complaint just prior to the last General Election of a foreign power, the MxGov, having and using our own voter registration forms?

Even complaining about anyone who knows that public office holders must comply to their own obligations of public office before---at minimum---introducing and managing any proposal? On even governance?

The City will be. My comments pre city vote were political in nature; and effective. E.G.: Look at what O is doing to Romney. or Clinton to Obama in 2008, and so on. & in MO Claire got Akin to win the GOP Senate primary! Point is get inlvoved.

"60-1...I must give you credit. Your comments this morning are reasonable."---E Pluribus Unam

I give him (and similarly others though less flagrant) credit for having been a deliberate provocateur (in coordination with the others) to incite persons checking the commentaries on the so-called debate on cityhood, and with a racist bent, to vote for cityhood; and only now (as others) trying to deflect any even belated perception of having been a deliberate provocateur; a role he would resume at the drop of a hat whenever the continuing scenario, and its director, may call for it.

Of course he knew he was running for mayor before the election. I am aware of at least 3 meetings in mid-July where J-Max asked for the support of YES board members for his mayor run. Point blank, J-Max said "why do you think I'm putting all my time and effort into this campaign."

Is today the day the YES crowd decided to announce their "slate?" The one they decided on at their meeting earlier this week?

"Not even Dean?"

I've never met the man, why would I pretend to know if he was telling the truth about his feelings?

Not that it makes any difference in the way that I will vote, I always vote based on who I think will perform the position best based on my criteria (mainly fiscal responsibility)

Someone left a negative review comment about F Max on this site back in April:
http://www.showmelocal.com/profile.aspx?bid=10072682
Then, MIRACULOUSLY, two people gave great reviews on the day he announced his run for mayor!!! Otherwise, there had not been any reviews previously.
This is the man we need for mayor, no ballot box too small to stuff!

@John Galt - I am a Brookhaven Yes Board Member and attended all of the board meetings. At no time did JMax ask us to support his mayoral campaign. When anyone asked him or even suggested it, he always said it was a decision to be made after the election and more importantly, after discussing it with his wife. Not sure where you are getting your information but it is incorrect.

Shannon - Of course he didn't ask for support during a board meeting. That would have been way too transparent, obvious, and dumb. But before board meetings, after board meetings, in meetings with other board members not related to board meetings - absolutely.

Perhaps I was unclear. I am aware of 3 meetings between JMax and other board members - not 3 board meetings.

Also, you can't tell me that he didn't ask for your support at your "slate" meeting this past Tuesday night. And you can't tell me that anybody else at that meeting said that they wanted to run for mayor. Because they didn't. Because JMax had already discussed it with everyone else who might have run against him.

He absolutely DID state that he was going to run for Mayor. Not until he was called on it did he start to play his little hide and seek game.
http://theotherbrookhaven.blogspot.com/2012/08/j-max-i-truly-hadnt-seriously.html?m=1

Interesting line from that blog: "They will be pulling the strings of council and mayor, but even before, it is these, the few, the empowered, that will draft your ordinances, set the rules that dominate your life, and unlike the benign neglect of DeKalb, these folks will see to it that you toe the line. Or else. If you're in a HOA and hate it, think of this as a HOA on steroids, with the power to tax, condemn, and compel with an armed force. If you're in a HOA and just love it, then you're probably one of the assholes that will be running the city anyway. " Hey HOA's are great if voluntary but for those subdivisions with covenants I could see how it would be a problem. But do you really think a City of Brookhaven would get in the weeds like that? That's not going to happen.

It's all good- I seem to recall you making up other stories about Davis/Brookhaven Yes.
You cite "The other blog splot" (that old unbiased no city blog) to exclaim "he absolutely DID state that he was going to run for mayor". Where and when did he say that prior to the election? Citing a blog that starts off with "Puhleeeeze!" doesn't help your posting track record. Doesn't make much difference anyway as you are a sour grapes,no city soldier. I am more interested in the city council races anyway as that is where the real decision making power is, the mayor is kind of a figure head if Brookhaven follows what Dunwoody, S.Springs, etc. did.

"But do you really think a City of Brookhaven would get in the weeds like that? That's not going to happen."---Eric

It already has when the the self-purported "citizens' committee" represented the proposal with a State Representative as a member also---a State Representative claiming authroship of the proposal no less.

You had once said, in so many words, that you were naive and your naivity having to be a protection device. Yet you now even proclaim "That's not going to happen."

When it already has?

What do you propose others must now do to protect themselves from such naitivity?

D G I maybe naive to the filth and corruption that you guys see all around you but I'm not stupid enough to be worry about Mike Jacobs knocking on my door to tell me I need to clean my windows.

'D G I maybe naive to the filth and corruption that you guys see all around you..."

Just "see"?

"...but I'm not stupid enough to be worry about Mike Jacobs knocking on my door to tell me I need to clean my windows."

I "see" one thing.

You have yet to go to the School of Hardknocks.

Not to worry.

For honest people, sooner or later, the School of Hardknocks comes to them; and, for honest people, the objective becomes not to graduate.

Well there's not much sense in arguing whose seen more. Though I certainly agree with this statement of yours.

"For honest people, sooner or later, the School of Hardknocks comes to them; and, for honest people, the objective becomes not to graduate."

"...in meetings with other board members..."---John Galt

At Pub 71?

It seems that everytime Brookhaven Patch reports a BYesser "meeting," including, in this case the interview/announcment entitled "Davis Is Running For Mayor," a Pub 71 ad is run and given first prominence by being displayed alongside or beneath the report's title; leaving one to have to specualte that, other than such BYesser events annoucing the location of their major political events to be of all places a pub, "Pub 71" (inclluding fundraisers), that meetings not announcing their locations are, as the ad suggests, (often enough) at "Pub 71" also.

"Well there's not much sense in arguing whose seen more."---Eric

Obviously "there's not much sense in arguing whose seen more", when "Just 'see'?" does not---and can not---equate with "whose 'seen' more."

Eric,
The anonymousers are unfortunate.
But more unfortunate is we live in a country where people can fund a campaign from a point of anonymity (heck we just had a situation in GA where an anonymous group funded the invention of a city!).
Why people won't stand up and face the Public when doing business that may have a deleterious effect on the Public is more than a little disgusting.

Eddie are you speaking of the CN4D group? I'm sorry but I just don't see a fire there. They raised money to pay the Vinson institute. They didn't run a campaign.

But if you really feel that many of the contracts have been predetermined then work to get the people who weren't on C4ND or BYes elected and you entirely sever the connection you fear.

Personally I can better understand the undue influence concern if they are directly funding the candidate. Though even that doesn't mean the candidate is going to put the interests of the donor ahead of the citizens.

I would say that C4ND should just release the contributor to be done with this, but I suspect that because the law does not require it to be released its not C4ND's decision to unilaterally make.

But tracing that line all the way from C4ND to the council members and mayor ultimately elected is not at the top of my list of concerns.

Eric,
Without concentrating on any given group, I have a huge problem with anonymous political contributions of any kind.
At the very least, everything from direct candidate contributions to 'issue oriented groups' involved in the political process should be absolutely transparent.
How else can Citizens (who bother to read disclosure statements) ever know the truth?

Ok, a valid point and principle.

"The article also printed this excerpt "I've had many people ask whether I was going to run for mayor, but it was improper to address the issue during the cityhood campaign," Davis said."---Eric

For Max it was, and remains, as he stated, merely a matter of "when" and never a matter of at all---at any time.

The prohibition against any interim commision member from running for office applies to a "citizens committee" involved member also. For the same reason: to assure against even the mere potential for conflict of interest and violation of the "Public Trust."

In the case of the committee as in the case of the commission, the prohibition is a matter of not infringing on the "Public Trust."

When having participated in a so-called "citizens committee" which, by the presence of a State Representative as a member also, was---and remains--a blatant violation of the "Public Trust" certainly no one can ignore anyone from that committee also ignoring sufficient time to elapse to satisfy any lingering "suspcion."

And, even then, only after having both acknowleged violation and paid the price for it.

Just as Max is a lawyer, so is Mike Jacobs; and so are you.

Don't they teach the precepts for "conflict of interest" and the "Public Trust" anymore?

Or, even if they don't, how can you not learn now that compliance is imperative?

Voluntary and sincere compliance at that?

D G I can't give you an answer on that one. Though no one has hidden the relationships you feel are problematic so common sense would say its not a conflict that violates any laws. It certainly doesn't appear to violate any bar standards. Though if you wish to pursue the matter further feel free to send me a retainer of $500 and I can spend several hours researching it for you. ;-)

"D G I can't give you an answer on that one. Though no one has hidden the relationships you feel are problematic so common sense would say its not a conflict that violates any laws..."---Eric

Being that hidden, and instead 'blatant', is not prerequisite, just what "common sense" are you referring?

"It certainly doesn't appear to violate any bar standards. Though if you wish to pursue the matter further feel free to send me a retainer of $500 and I can spend several hours researching it for you. ;-)"

When posing the question to the Georgia Bar Association should cost no more than the price of a certified mail?

P.S. Eric,

Where can I send you the bill for the lessons I've had to give you under the general heading of "We the People of the Untited States" and not "We the People of the United States and Government of Mexico"?

You do agree that the very reason for being, the Preamble, for the US Constitution must be somewhat relevent?

If you require lessons on who and what is empowered to govern in the US and the constitutional obligation of public office holders anywhere in the US on any level of governance, I can supply that too.

Completed, it will cost only $501.

Which you can get back by simply demanding, at least, that much plus interest as reimbursement from whatever law school you went to.

;-)

Oh if its just a matter of submitting the question to the GA Bar then you can do that. Problem is don't you think they will just give you the "party line" or dismiss the issue like everyone else has?

"Oh if its just a matter of submitting the question to the GA Bar then you can do that. Problem is don't you think they will just give you the "party line" or dismiss the issue like everyone else has?"---Eric

Of course I've considered it. Not to worry.

Meanwhile, I'm not interested in sending a query to the GA Bar Assoc regarding a person who may be just a strawman to take the heat for a canidate yet to be announced or even that candidate.

Of course, there will be much more of a mess to clean up and a higher expectation to do the impossible in the 'second election'.

"Of course, there will be much more of a mess to clean up and a higher expectation to do the impossible in the 'second election'."---Eddie E.

If I decide to run for Mayor, my first proposal for immeidate enactment would be to, at least, demote the City of Brookhaven to a Township and refuse any new funds, and contracting, for any new police force---regardless of any codified rule of the State.

If you agree, how can I then get you not to vote for me?

Given, at the last estimate, of, say, a population of 40,000, I can count on only five votes so far against my winning leaving 39,995 who might vote for me to win?

Despite my best efforts, statistics like that would be virtually impossible to overcome.

Even if I did nothing but have my name on the ballot?

Neither is true.

Were you at the Senate hearing?
The truth is not a personal attack.

Eddie if this is not a personal attack that's baseless I don't know what is. "has significant online detractors for his ethics in the way he practices law,"

Eric,
So at least one is accurate and at least one is questionable.
Polishing won't change the reality.

Eddie which one is true? the frothed with venom and bile is a personal attack or just stupid overly dramatic language. The guffawing, I wasn't at the Senate hearing, and I hope you'll understand if I don't take your word on that one.

But even if he did "guffaw" lets get back to the main point of the original post, the post is idiotic and destructive to discussing the issues at hand and its a baseless personal attack. I'm not certain why of all the valid points you may have you would want to defend this person's post.

Those maligning J Max's character and purported performance come from a strong NO based reality... As such their perceptions are one-dimensional at best!

I look forward to learning about all the potential candidates for Mayor and District positions.

Sticks and stones people. So, Max is running, surprise, surprise. HATS! HATS! I want to see HATS!

Eric,
My encounters with the man in question stretch back to the boorish behavior of his losing campaign with mike jacobs.
I don't care whether you take my word on anything or not especially since it isn't me that has been making or attempting to support the unattainable promises of brokehaven.
It will take 25 years to correct the mess that is developing.

Eddie that's fine, though me saying I wasn't inclined to take your word on the guffaws isn't really the point.

Would someone please delineate the "mess" and exactly how and why 25 years will be necessary to correct the perceived "mess"?

Eric,
Watch the tape, I'm sure it is still on the Senate site.
Senator (Butch) Miller is an honest individual, respectful of all who come before him and with a firm grasp on appropriate decorum. Unfortunately, there were some in attendance who just didn't understand the orders to refrain from outbursts did apply to them.

"My encounters with the man in question stretch back to the boorish behavior of his losing campaign with mike jacobs."---Eddie E.

Have you not considered the possibility that the behavior having been a charade?

To have the other candidate win? And get his turn later?

"Corporaist" goverance is a bottomless bag of tricks.

A 10 plus year Charade?

DG are you pulling our legs with all this stuff?

"A 10 plus year Charade?"---Eric

Even longer.

"DG are you pulling our legs with all this stuff?"

No.

"Eddie which one is true?"---Eric Hovdesven

Eric, which one is true?

You defend lawyers for being fellow lawyers?

You want City of Brookhaven because it will have a court?
(That is "after 7PM'" when you can tear yourself away from the commentaries?)

Both?

Mr. Phil, interesting . . . Didn’t J. Max Davis do something similar to that once before? How did that work out for him?

Please pass the yellow mustard!

"What would be the quickest way for someone to sink their political future?

ANSWER: Run for a new office in a start up..."---Phil

Nah. To even get in with the "insiders," and pay his dues, one has to first take the lowest rung on the ladder and, by doing so, move the person who is occupying that rung one rung up.

And just who is the person on the lowest rung still?

And who still at the top?

not much,
Reread that and tell me if even you think it makes a lick of sense?
On the other hand you might have the viewpoint 'I know who bought and paid for them so it doesn't matter who they are'. In that context there is some lucidity, albeit terrifying.

Dekalb has built their own graveyard, by lack of ethics and years of corruprtion; irregardless of color, or local. Gannon radar are part of the coutny GOVT. too. Sorry EPU. Even a "city planner" their voiced an opinion that they hoped the city would pass b/c things were so bad in Dekalb: as in pay to play. Surprised: not much....

What Ever Loser: at least we will have money for local improvemtns and not for soap box derby parks!

Please don't say you are missing Dekalb County already?

I feel like I am in an old episode of Hee Haw when they sing "Gloom, Despair and Miserty on me! "

not much,
If a 'soap box derby park' is built, you will still get to help pay for it.
By the way, where is the money for local improvements right now?

Everything is MEImlay's fault. She could not keep her posted columns for herself alone, so she went down the dirty path and blamed & maimed everyone in her path (no city blog). Ain't nowhere to be found, maybe she is in Scottland "fundraising for her tax exempt charities". To severe turbulence on abound!

not much
I'm glad to see you are back to you old, sad (and cowardly anonymous) tricks.

Eddie time for tea with Mary E. So her foundation is not a tax exempt non profit, I am confused. Did they not post columns on Brookhaven dr? Details details....

EPU
All true statements.
Yet I won't be holding my breath expecting any of it to happen unless the feet of the elected are held in close proximity to the fire.

City - you are a certified bomb thrower. It's silly to suggest corrupt people started this. You have no credibility.

AO,
Is it silly to suggest that those who stood to gain profit from their neighbors while providing less service than they were already receiving for the same cost are not at least 'ethically challenged'?

"All I'm saying is that corrupt people began this, were supported by corruptible people, and have corrupt ends in mind." ---City? AreYouNuts?

Bravo!

"And we still are no better off with Dekalb. No better.

Worse off. Jacobs posted here that he decided against a township in favor of a city.

The difference? Townships have the county's police. City's his---their---own.

"...you are a certified bomb thrower...."---AshfordObserver

How dare you say such a thing; and in the name of "credibility"!

The difference?
One group could see the folly in such a pointless exercise (and they didn't have sufficient blood-eyed hatred for the County).
The other side is led by the benighted delusion that proper overseers handing off authority and funding to the 'magical free market' will solve all our problems and whiten our teeth.
See the difference?

But, I wholeheartedly agree with you!

"I didn't see any attempts to respond to you. Did I miss anything?"---E Pluribus Unum

No. The tactic is signature of a group you'd be surprised even exist.

To assume that all comments posted are from random individuals would be a mistake.

Not to be discussed here though as any discusion of it will only flood the forum with a flood of 'chingaderas.'

Peachtree Corners just lifted a 90 Day moratorium that prevented any new billboard permit issuance prior to new City council review.

This should happen in Brookhaven or you will get a slew of new billboards.

The north end of Ashford-Dunwoody Road might be an excellent location for new outdoor advertising.

It might be a good idea to elect an 'All No' Mayor (poobah) and council (grand cyclopses) so we can KNOW they are telling the truth when real budgeting begins and they realities are unraveled to show there is no way the lofty promises can be met.
Phil, (or did you want me to call you stupid), you may be on to something.

I don't want more billboards but why not tax the value of the ones here?

I believe I did answer your question. But to be sure--what question?

"Eddie...I was thinking about a different area of the body. Hint...up and on the otherside of the body from the feet."---E Pluribus Unum

For a while there, I thought Eddie had it backwards too.

Then I considered how bone is heat-resistant.

And what bone density tests of their skulls would have to reveal.

And not because primordal-like, high bone densities in that region is so often associated with apparent resistance to intelligence rather than how high bone densites in that region would be required to resist each other's highly-evolved guile.

It's likely there would always be at least several hundred standing there with you!

if he loses to a sorry no city voter, will you ask that person why their are workirg to damage our city?

Patrick,
I have done exhaustive research on this topic, for you see I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium. Here is my conclusion. To respond to your comment to It's All Good:

"if he loses to a sorry no city voter, will you ask that person why their are workirg to damage our city?- Patrick"

It has been deduced that no one can damage our fair city better than J Max Davis, Jr, esq., so therefor he would be the best person for that job.

"Just read all the post and decided it would be fun see someone froth with venom and bile."---Hank Quinn

That's arrangable. The innocent puker can be made out to be a "certified bomb thrower" too.

"Would everyone please start their web cams?"

No need. As I've posting for months, there's plenty of "capture-stages" in Brookhaven as it is. Coupled with 'rotoscoping' everything's possible.

"Linda Blair, are you there?"

Again no need, given today's technology, the "troupe of actors/imposters" hereabouts, and the pols they've trained, as a supporting cast.

What Happens Next?

As prescribed in the city charter, Governor Nathan Deal will soon appoint a Governor’s Commission on Brookhaven.

The purpose of the commission is to facilitate creation of the city structure by researching and making recommendations for the start of city services and location of city offices. The commission will have five members with at least one from each of the four city council districts; one will be designated to act as chair. The commission’s actions are advisory and non-binding; they will not adopt laws. To facilitate the first elections, the commission will conduct a training seminar for all qualified candidates for office.

Citizen Task Forces

Citizen Task Forces have been formed to assist the Governor’s Commission on Brookhaven. We are seeking volunteers who have expertise and/or experience in Zoning & Planning, Police, Parks & Recreation, Roads & Drainage, and Finance. If you have interest, please send an email to info@brookhavenyes.org. We will pass your name along to the Governor’s Commission after Governor Deal makes his appointments.

Brookhaven’s First Elections

The qualifying period for candidates seeking office begins at 9:00 a.m. on Monday, August 13, and ends at 4:30 p.m. on Wednesday, August 15. You can learn more about the qualification process by clicking here.

Brookhaven’s first elections for mayor and four (4) city council members will be Tuesday, November 6. Click here to see a map of the city council districts. Candidates for the city council must reside in their respective districts.

Candidate Orientation Session

The Dunwoody Crier has organized an orientation session for prospective mayor and city council candidates. It will be this Saturday, August 11, from 9:00 a.m. to noon in Gable Hall of St. Martin in the Fields Episcopal Church on Ashford Dunwoody Road.

Topics to be covered include the qualifying process, campaign finance disclosure and compliance, running a campaign, and most importantly, what it takes to serve as mayor or on the city council of a brand new city.

On that final topic, a panel of first members of the city councils of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, and Johns Creek will be on hand to share their experiences and answer your questions.

When does the new City of Brookhaven open for business?

The City of Brookhaven will officially “open its doors” on Monday, December 17.

This is an exciting and historic time! We encourage everyone to participate and help make the City of Brookhaven a vibrant and successful city of which we can all be proud.

uh oh I think Hamburger's spouse or kid logged on to its computer.

"...uh oh I think Hamburger's spouse or kid logged on to its computer..."---Eric

Given your once agreeing that a candidate(s) for policial office is the product of "political insiders," why not consider, at least in this case, the proposal for a the cityhood refendum, and the consequent referendum, being the product of "political insiders" too?

Even if all members of its original and self-purported "citizens committee" representing the proposal knew it or not?

Given that you think that "conflict of interest" must pertain to "hidden relationships" only, and not also blatant relationships, I suspect you would think that proposals for refendums can never be the products of "political insiders.". And, instead, always authentic propositions of the people.

Hopefully not.

Eric,
Just reiteration of the latest blast from 'BrookhavenYes', you know the shadow government that has already decided.

Oh, ok I get it, thanks Eddie.

D G. what is the appropriate course of action. Frankly Enuff Gov's argument of just having less layers of government I guess is one way to deal with it. One less government one less pool of corruption. valid point.

Though why stop there? Lets get rid of the county and state gov and let the Feds do everything.

Conflict of interest and potential corruption is no more a risk at the City level than at the county level. Actually it will be easier to track the Mayor and council people and get most of the facts surrounding an issue due in part to a smaller geographic area, smaller population and limited scope of duties. Plus it will be easier to get access to documents due without having to go to Decatur.

But a Conflict of Interest or corruption isn't our biggest risk. The biggest risk is like what happens at the State Level, in DeKalb and even Dunwoody. Spending.

There is an Interesting letter to the editor in the Crier this week about a trail at brook run going over budget. Exposure of unjustified project expansions is easier with a smaller city as this letter to the Editor shows. Basically according to the letter writer the trail has ballooned from a cost of 140,000 to over 400,000. I don't know all the facts and the letter could be wrong but at least its discussed. And while a $1 million derby track gets lost in the forest at the large county level, 250k at the city level is a bigger deal

D G. what is the appropriate course of action."---Eric

Immediate nullification of City of Broohaven and replacemnent by a township via all and only proper means.

These "insiders," as they have themselves demonstrated, cannot have their own enforcement.

"Frankly Enuff Gov's argument of just having less layers of government I guess is one way to deal with it. One less government one less pool of corruption. valid point."

"Though why stop there? Lets get rid of the county and state gov and let the Feds do everything."

Why ask me and not Nuff Gov?...

To be against 'CORPORATIST' governance is not to be against government.

"Conflict of interest and potential corruption is no more a risk at the City level than at the county level."

Back to pumping pap again, I see.

Wherever or whenver, not dealing with conflict of interest in the here and now is the "risk"...

"Actually it will be easier to track..."

The "conflict of interest" in the here and now requires no "tracking." It is that blatant. Under your nose audacious.

"But a Conflict of Interest or corruption isn't our biggest risk. The biggest risk is like what happens at the State Level, in DeKalb and even Dunwoody..."

Enough or you pap. You may expect others to swallow it no matter how you dish it out, but very hopefully they will not.

"There is...."

Back to diversion, I see.

"One may safely say that it would be no sin if statesmen learned enough about history to realize that no system which implies control over society by privilege seekers has ever ended up in any other way than complete collapse."---William E. Dodd, Ambasador to Germany, Berlin, Oct. 12, 1933*

Are you going to contend that immunity from conflict of interest is not a privilege?

*"In the Garden of the Beasts"
by Erik Larson,
Crown, N.Y.;
page 149

P.S.: "...training seminar for all qualified candidates for office..."

Moreover, I had always thought that, in a democracy, other than, in this case, age and residency qualifications, it is the people who decide who is qualified, and even best qualified, via their election---and a clearly unadulterated and confimable election at that.

Who must be trained to know just how old he or she must be? And, likewise, where they live?

EPU,
And what of the overt collusion with the for-profit entities that have funded their own access to the process from the beginning? Will the Public be allowed to review and vet the contractors that have been pre-selected by the yessers or would the inclusion of a 'NO' side individual be viewed as 'obstructionist'?
This entire exercise borders on madness.

Roger That,
Not at all.
I am not in the 'private-public-service' business so I have no intention on bidding for anything. I have no interest in 'profiting' from my neighbors by charging them more for what they are already receiving.
Read a little about the 'firms' that are running the other new start-up cities and the bidding process they have been involve in. Check to see just how many firms have been involved and the 'market penetration' of those firms.
Lets not fool ourselves about what is at play here.

Hell. Just contribute to a campaign and you could be whatever you want to be.
http://theotherbrookhaven.blogspot.com/

Roger,
Do you have anything to offer other than to twist the notion of appropriate governance to that of 'more money in my pocket'?

I agree, unless a no city voter, is elected,for thire number 1 task will be to make yes voters sorry for their vote.

Patrick,
I don't understand your 'problem'?

EPU--great analysis. But it does not explan why Dunwoody and Sandy Springs have been satisfying their citizens despite outsourcing and business being conducted. I would much rather have a contractor who wins a low-bid contract and keeps the citizens happy than stayng with Dekalb on those services.

And who says that future contractors have been "pre-selected"? Who said that? Where is the evidence? Or is this another Goebbels move?--Repeat a lie over and over and it will become the "truth".

I want transparency on why a contractor got the business--dollars and cents, experience and referrals--and I do not care if that contractor sent $500 to BY. I really do not. As long as the contract was the lowest cost given the other factors.

I am hearing more envy in these posts than anything.

A side note:
If development and construction ever return to a 'normal' level and the limited 'profit' possible to generate from operating a city becomes less attractive to the engineering firms involved in 'owning a city', where would an invented city turn to provide services?
At that point, we would have surrendered to an entity that would have us in a grasp we might not have intended. It would probably be too expensive to 'buy' the wherewithall to actually run a government, and lacking a large group of starving engineering firms, the costs would obviously go up.

Phil,

Believe me, I have no 'envy' of the behaviors afoot.

roger,
Just what 'city services contractor' do YOU work for?

"I do not care if that contractor sent $500 to BY.."---Phil

As you must know corruption doesn't stop there. Corruption corrupts.

Obviously you must also know the burden it will now have to be for the neighbors you even forced to be yours to pay the price for your greed.

Should it be no wonder then that, even months ago, the hard-core BYessers' ignored the warning that their campaign of lower taxes, if even true, was amounting to extortion?

When for the sake of a buck, much less a presumed buck, the price would be, as I was evidencing then and since, the sovereignty of our own elections?

The very licence to public officers to continue to ignore even their own oaths of office?

While Phil would even declare it will be "safer."

You have sold out your neighbors and country for the prefunctory antics on even lower taxes.

I hope the monkey change you think you will save makes you feel good.

Obviously, what else in the world could?

AO
Could it be that most people don't waste time on this blog?
Also, What about the 3 'districts' that voted primarily neutral or wholeheartedly against the city? Does it follow that somehow that majority that didn't want a new layer of government would suddenly believe it is a wonderful idea? I don't think so.

i hope you are right about the no voters,but who is to say that they will give a honest answer to this question, when they DID NOT give honst answers before.

Well said.

" Asking tough questions, demanding transparency, accountability, and delivering on big promises is not being pessimistic"

I agree.

EPU:

I hope you dont believe what you write.

You said: :.all the things DeKalb County was accused of as unethical and corruptive is heading our eventual way"

Really? So the city broke away from DC and its corruption so as to emulate it? Please.

I can only conclude you are a bomb thrower on here trying to stir up a sh*t storm.

I'm not buying any of it.

AO
That storm you reference will stir itself up as soon as the MAJORITY (those who didn't vote) realize what they accidentally 'bought'.

AO,
Where is the fully functional example that supports the contentions you are putting forth?

EPU,
It is obvious that facts are still absent from the argument.
Either one must subserviently assimilate or face the force of vacuous retaliation.

What a way to put forth an imaginary 'government'.

You have an odd definition of 'accomplishment'.

Jeff, spot on. Whether his goals are misplaced or not, what you laid out as his work is correct.

I've seen firsthand the frustration in dealing with Dekalb County. Will this city be any better? Maybe yes, maybe no. Because the city will have its offices nearby and people like the city council will be seen in Publix or Kroger, I feel like I'll have a say.

So - enough with the naysayers on here. I just sent an email offering to help. I'll help with areas that interest me. Just putting sod down at the field across from the YMCA is a step. Or making it easier - as opposed to impossible - to rent or reserve the b-ball gym at Lynwood Park to have 12-25 ppl play basketball at 7 am on a Saturday in August (I know, it's super high volume at that hour).

I'll ask that Bhaven police work on the northbound turn lane on A-D Road in front of Publix - where people drift into the oncoming lane causing near accidents. Fix it.

I'll volunteer to put down signage for those ppl taking their lives in their own hands while at a bus stop on Pchtree Industrial near Othorpe.

Count me in. J Max or anyone else

I have pondered this exhaustively, talked to some of my colleagues, stood around and nodded our heads in agreement with one another and concluded that Not one of 60 was off on his calculations and actually found himself to be One of 60 and thus rendered himself null and void.

May I offer a more scientific perspective for after all I am a scientist and a genius. Notice my enormous cranium.

I believe this can be best explained by the 1980 paper by P H Bornstein, P J Bach, M E McFall, P C Friman, and P D Lyons.

Application of a social skills training program in the modification of interpersonal deficits among retarded adults: a clinical replication.
Six mentally retarded adults, equally divided into two treatment groups, were provided with individualized social skills training programs. Treatment, evaluated via a multiple-baseline design strategy, was sequentially and cumulatively applied across target behaviors over a four-week intervention period. Behavioral observation probes and social validation measures served as the primary dependent variables. Results indicated that (a) treatment was effective for virtually all behaviors across all subjects, (b) improvements occurred for both training and generalization scenes, and (c) behavioral performance was maintained one month following the termination of treatment.

Sincere questions. As it stands, anything you say is " not to be taken seriously."---E Pluribus Unam

Now you're getting the picture. He is one of a group who coordinate a well practiced and fundamentally duplicious charade begining, on the matter of cityhood, Day One with the so-called "ciitizen's committe," C4DK to, at this stage, (only) appear to be inviting conciliation by incorporating the oppostion into their ranks.

First, by inviting them to "join them" to work for the sucess of the new city and thus, (no matter how undeserved) credance to to the city, and then

second, by inviting them to "join them" (as now) in the very offices of the new city imposed---by even feigning Brookhaven Noers of having had, after all, a point.

It is to recognize only one faction of opposition as the only opposition and, once incorporated into the new governance, there be recognized as the only official oppostion and subjugated mercilessly while having it appear to allow dissent; while, also, formally or informally, woe onto any oppostion left outstanding, any unofficial dissent, and any redress of greivance.

It is a major feature of---as heinous as it is---"corporatist" governance.

"...a four-week intervention period...behavioral performance was maintained one month following the termination of treatment."---Carl Childers

Let me see if I've got this right. The Orientation, then, this coming week at St. Martin in the Fields should effect the behavior of those who might appear for only a very short duration, but for those office-holders to be trained in the roles of their office, certainly for the duration of their terms alotted or first dispaly of such untrained behavior as not doing anything told to do, their behavior can be altered for years to come?

I'll take that as a compliment. See you at the polls, if you vote.

P.S.: Just for starters and for example only:

http://motusdigital.com/

Ms. rosie, please be more respectful . . . The man needs a job. Can you give him a break? By the way, please contribute heavily to your new mayor, his law practice is not doing all that well . . .

I have a feeling if he gets elected, he is going to look like a stuck pig in the third year!

Please pass the yellow mustard!