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Are Metro Atlanta's Trees About to Fall?

A lot of them have sure been falling lately. Storms aren't the only reason why.

 

A downed tree knocked out power for about 9,000 people in DeKalb's Toco Hills community last Tuesday night.

It was just the latest example of a large tree crashing down and causing havoc for people in metro Atlanta. In recent weeks, trees have crushed homes and a driver was killed when a tree fell onto his truck on I-20.

Granted, we've been seeing a lot of high winds lately that have uprooted trees. But in 2011, Atlanta began studying the health of the city's 9,000-plus trees. Many are nearing the end of their natural life span.

Tree loss in the metro area has been attributed to a variety of reasons, including drought years, powerful storms, an increase in invasive species and pests and natural causes.

Patch wants to know: Do you worry about the big, old trees on your property or on your neighbor's side of the property line? Have you taken any steps to protect your home and family? Or do you think the danger is overblown?

See Also:

Downed Tree Kills Power for 9,000 Toco Hills Residents

Tree Crashes Into Virginia Highland Home

Two Midtown Homes Damaged, SUV Totaled by Fallen Tree

Tree Topples Down Center of Sandy Springs Home

Fallen Tree Across Cascade Road; Downed Power Lines

A Rainy, Windy Day in SW Atlanta; Hoping the Trees Won't Fall

 

Related Topics: Question Of The Week

Virginia Lester

7:32 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I think many are becoming more and more frightened of the dangers of these older trees and they are real threats, as evidenced by what is happening all over the city. The safest thing to do is to trim any dead limbs that you notice and remove a diseased tree, replacing it with a new one. Be considerate of your neighbors by taking down a tree that poses an issue for others in the surrounding area. It's always awkward to have the conversation with your neighbor about a tree you believe is a threat to you but sometimes it's just cecessary.

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Anna Varela

7:41 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Good point, Virginia. But removing a tree is very expensive. A lot of people can't afford it and, unfortunately, it seems that insurance companies won't pay for limb trimming or tree removal until after a tree comes down and causes damage.

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Eileeen Vajilik

3:03 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

can't Obama Santa make this free too?

Jon Friedman

8:17 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I do worry, I live in a wooded area with many really big trees. I know many of them are diseased but I can't afford to be diligent with their care. A neighbors tree split off a large branch and the cost to my property damage was $28,000. The tree guy said most of the trees they work on are diseased. One issue not mentioned is the permit and fee requirement in Atlanta. Some might believe it is intended to protect our canopy, but an audit of that might show the government uses more of the revenue for general fund items than tree maintenance. Would love to know how much developers pay to have all the trees on a lot removed before building the latest McMansion. Maybe Patch could do some digging ?

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JamesMichael

8:38 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

@Virginia
I'm with you on all points.

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J. H.

8:40 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I agree about the outragious cost of tree removal. We have two that should probably be removed but when we checked into it the cost was $3000 per tree. We just don't have that kind of cash laying around.

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JamesMichael

9:26 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

One question, J.H.
Does your neighbor have sufficient wherewithal to cover the costs to home and heart when your tree comes crashing through their child's bedroom some stormy Winter's night?

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Barbara Baggerman

12:09 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Yes, it is expensive. But have you ever watched the entire process of taking down a huge old tree? It's a difficult, risky (and fascinating!) process, to the workers and because of the damage that can occur to everything below. Guys are 100 feet in the air, swinging from ropes with chain saws swinging from their belts. Forty-foot branches, as big as trees themselves, are swinging from ropes inches from your house. Knowing how to handle this stuff successfully requires skill and experience. I've had two taken down (one dead, one so close to the house that it was heaving up the foundation), each about 120 feet tall and 3-4 feet in diameter at chest height. Each required a crane in my back yard, a wood chipper, 2 days of 4-5 guys working, and multiple loads of wood chips to be dumped. The crane and the weight of the wood (about 20 tons for each tree) caused multiple large cracks across the driveway. Prices vary considerably; get multiple quotes, but do get someone who knows what they're doing. But don't take the tree down unless absolutely necessary. Just get branches pruned instead; it'll cost you less and involve less potential damage to your property.

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Eileeen Vajilik

3:03 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

rent if you can't afford a home and all that entails

Grishma Batra

10:13 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Cost of tree removal is really high. Not to mention permits. We are going through that with the City of Atlanta right now and our tree guy said we may not even get permit to remove the big oak we have. What?! that's the one that's going to cost us 3k and is hanging low on top of our pool. Making Permits easy to get should to be dealt with, Buckhead Patch!

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Barbara Baggerman

11:33 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Is the oak healthy? If so, it should not be removed. Just have the branches hanging over your pool pruned (it'll cost less, also). You can prune and shape a tree any way you want, to keep it away from places where you don't want branches. The whole tree does not have to come down. Permits should NOT be easy to get. The Tree Ordinance exists to protect our tree canopy (Atlanta's most valuable, and under-appreciated, asset) and prevent the cutting of healthy trees. Trees clean our air and water. They prevent soil erosion and flooding. They damper the heat island effect. They provide habitat for bugs and animals down the food chain that we all depend on for survival (food depends on pollination and predation). They provide shade and privacy. Often, people don't realize how much privacy they're getting from a tree until it comes down. Then suddenly their neighbors can see in their windows, and the sun shines in their eyes, and their A/C bill skyrockets, and they wish that tree were still there. Consider these things before removing a tree. Always get a permit first.

Bless the people who planted these trees for us 100 years ago. And bless Trees Atlanta for continuing to plant more, so there'll still be some left 100 years from now.

J. H.

10:15 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Our trees don't pose a threat to our neighbors. They have their own trees to worry about. P.S. I do carry insurance for property damage and assume others do as well!

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J. H.

10:40 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I wouldn't know what they have. What a stupid question!

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Will Dean

10:45 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

One thing a property owner can do is contact their home insurance company to see what coverage they have for tree removal. Many times the policy will cover it if the tree is close to the structure and an obvious hazard. In the event a neighbors tree is visibly in danger of damaging your structure, you may notify your neighbor in writing and request them send the letter along to their insurance company. The cost of a tree removal is substantially less than a liability claim.

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Catrina

11:12 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

J.H. - as someone who has had to pay the price* for a neighbor who did not take care of or remove his trees as he should have, it is NOT a stupid question. It is YOUR responsibility to take care of YOUR trees, which can just as easily fall onto your neighbors' property as onto yours. Your neighbor should not have to worry that your negligence will result in monetary, emotional and time cost to him/her, nor should s/he have to deal with it.

That is part of good citizenship as well as responsible homeownership. It's also part of the cost of owning one's own home.

* on just one occasion: $1,000 out-of-pocket deductible; 2 days off work to deal with contractors, permits, utility companies, & inspectors; aggrevation in having to take care of food in my freezer and refrigerator; having to move myself, my child and my pets to a hotel; and more.

This was for a *very* minor issue of a neighbor's tree falling across the powerline connecting my house to the street. The weight of the tree tore the powerline from the meter box. No other real damage was done to the house, as would have occurred had the tree fallen directly on my house.

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J. H.

6:13 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Hello, I don't have 6000 dollars.

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J. H.

6:16 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Those costs are why you have homeowners insurance. Again I state my trees do not pose a threat to my neighbors. Can you READ?

E Keathley

11:53 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I hope they replace many of the aging trees in public spaces with more Pecan trees. Kids enjoy gathering the nuts, and the trees grow well here. Pecan trees bring another healthy way to interact with green spaces to our public areas.

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"E Pluribus Unum"

3:19 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I have a general question. Isn't it a requirement to contact the COA and DeKalb County COA before larger trees can be removed? Am I mistaken?

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Barbara Baggerman

12:28 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Yes, it is a requirement. I'm not sure of the current details of tree ordinances, but typically it is illegal (punishable up to $10,000 or more in fines) to remove any tree more than 4 inches in diameter at chest height without getting a permit first. You contact your city or county to get a permit. They will send a certified arborist out to your house for free to evaluate the tree. If it is a hazard, they'll give you a permit (not sure if there's a nominal charge for that). Go to your city or county web site for details.

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Cheryl Huvard

1:34 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Apparently, only certain individuals and entities have to do so because Atlanta Gas Company bought a parcel of land behind my condo and immediately cut down nearly four acres of old growth woods with no permit and without notifying anyone. Atlanta Gas Company operates with complete impunity with no regard for the rights of ordinary citizens, so it is not surprising that DeKalb County and its elected officials not only were not notified, but were not provided with information when it was requested.

gdfo

3:23 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I had over 110 trees on my home property. Over time I have had some cut down and I have my own chain saw and I cut down the ones that I know I can do safely.

Owning land is a good thing it does carry a responsibilty on your property. The Power Company does come around and cut and trim limbs close to power lines.
The rest is up to you/me.
As for the trees along the highways and roads. The cost of downing them is very high, probably too high and it would take time and also strangle traffic where it would be done. Unless of course the State Of Georgia came up with a plan that utilized labor from our prison and jail systems for the clean up and only took down trees that were diseased.

Another aspect is that we have to be carefull and aware in storms and high winds.
People here drive poorly and worse in bad weather. Oh? Did I mention that many drivers are RUDE too boot?

I have warned my nieghbor about some trees that are covered with Ivy and some are dead. LOL, Hope their insurance is paid.

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Anna Varela

4:47 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

One of my neighbors has wrestled with the affordability issue. It seems that many insurance policies will pay for the damage done - after a tree or big limb falls. But if a property owner wants to do preventive pruning or removal of trees to protect their property or their neighbors' properties, insurance won't cover that. Has anybody had a different experience?

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SteveC

11:43 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

State Farm reimbursed me $500 of the cost to have a medium sized tree removed -- one that was very close to my home (about 6 ft.) and had been damaged by lightning.

steve dewig

5:18 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

This just happened to me, literally. My insurance company did a great job of fixing about $40,000.00 of house damaged caused by a neighbor's tree. My neighbor was so good that he actually cleared away the tree and the additional enormous mess the tree left. But what was on my property was my personal responsibility (and expense) to clean up. People in Tucker can be the best you find anywhere.

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gdfo

6:15 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Anna, Yes, Insurance companies will pay for damage done. Now, they will not pay to remove a tree that is standing and could potentially fall on lines or houses. That is the homeowners responsibility. If you have a car you have car insurance, but it does not pay for regular maintenance. Take an envelope and write TREE REMOVAL FUND on it. Tack it up where you will see it everyday. Put some cash in it once in a while. et voila. Or whoops there it is.

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What goes around comes around

9:41 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Lord have mercy - I hope my tree service doesn't see this article - y'all are paying too much, sounds like. Our property is surrounded by trees, and since the years of drought during which the roots start working back up towards the surface, it doesn't take a dead or diseased or dead tree to cause problems. A perfectly healthy looking tree can snap like a matchstick or topple over during a good wind storm. So over the last couple years, I have had them come survey (as an arborist, but without the extra cost), and clean up existing situations as well as look at everything else to be proactive. I would post their name, but some dufus would accuse me of working for the company, OR they would get too busy from referrals! Good luck!

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Earl Williamson, RN

8:52 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

Just because a tree is large does not mean it is diseasede or dangerous. Many fly by night tree crews use that ploy to take down healthy trees at inflated rates. ALWAYS have a tree evaluated by a Certified Arborist first. Reputable tree companies employ Certified Arborists and most will evaluate the needs of your tree for free,

You can do alot to improve the healthy of your tree, starting with mulching the root zone with 2-4" of woodchips, eliminating grassy lawns beneath trees (compete for water and nutients), and appropriate pruning.

Online resources for urban trees include Trees Atlanta and the Georgia Department of Forestry.

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steve dewig

8:55 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

The $40,000 was for the house repair..all three floors and two bathrooms. It was not for the tree service.

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Bill Lowe

3:59 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Trees have a limited lifespan, and they are going to come down at some point either by natural force or by man--either as a precaution because it is known that the tree is dying/dead, or because of construction. We should see more aging trees fall as those that were planted right after the civil war are reaching their end of life. Should be every 25 years a tree planting spree of long life hard woods to replace those majestic oaks....Speaking of majestic Oaks....consider the following:

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced the're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the Forest,
And the Creatures all have fled,
As the Maples scream oppression,
And the Oaks just shake their heads.

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"These oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

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J. H.

6:56 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Catrina, be gone before someone drops a tree on you................

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Catrina

7:45 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

J. H., hopng you do better as a responsible property owner - which includes taking care of the trees on your property - than you do at movie quotes. Glinda's line is actually a house, not a tree.

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J. H.

7:52 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Duh! Shocked you got the pun. Please don't try to recite The Wizard of Oz to a Gay man. !

Virginia Lester

8:15 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

Just a point....we had a huge, beloved white oak on our property that began to show signs of stress. Two arborists from different companies came out to look at it.....both from "reputable" companies. One said it could be saved by spending hundreds on vitamins and injections. The other said it was gone and they could take it down for 6K! I then called the city arborist in Decatur out b/c he had no interest in selling chemicals or in taking down a tree and he told us it was diseased and would begin to be dangerous in a matter of months. Arborists aren't all created equal.

We paid $1,500 to take down that specimen oak and the one behind it w/ the same disease! My advice is to get some competitive bids when you're ready to take down a tree. We found someone to trim our trees who doesn't use spikes to climb and does it himself, eliminating the middle man!

Losing those two oak trees was a great loss to us and at the time, impacted our property in a negative way but now the other oaks have flourished b/c they're not competing for nutrients, water, etc. and the topography is looking a lot better.

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jimmie

7:28 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013

Trees aren't the only thing that will come raining down on us if we keep pushing god out of our lives. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry god!

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CrowBurger

5:13 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

Sounds like you have much experience with god being angry with you, jimmie. Did he whiz all over your trees or just send you a few friendly locust?

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jimmie

8:11 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

I just read the Bible Roger...and pray for the misguided

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CrowBurger

2:39 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I hereby pray for the misguided. Especially jimmie.

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jimmie

6:17 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

God knows the heart Roger...and that should scare you!

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CrowBurger

12:24 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

God does not scare me, jimmie, but YOU DO!

CrowBurger

5:19 am on Monday, March 11, 2013

Large trees can survive crowning and severe pruning (up to 1/3-1/2). You don't have to cut them down. Crowning and pruning can extend a mature hardwood's life 10-20 years. If you have mature pines (over 15 years old), however, they should probably be removed. I have not seen one taken down that was not infested with pine bark beetles. There are county "mandates" on diameters (minimums) for removal of trees, but, who in their right mind is going to listen to DeKalb County?

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GrantParkguy

7:47 pm on Friday, April 19, 2013

Seriously pure raw meat? Where did you read that? if you have any questions about trees, get multiple certified arborist to evaluate your tree.

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CrowBurger

12:26 pm on Saturday, April 20, 2013

Most "certified" tree cutters have never worked in forestry, private ski resorts, or power companies where there are exceptions to general (non-commercial) tree care. They are usually licensed by the state and restricted to restricted approved methods of cutting/pruning by ordinance (law). Therefore, they can't legally make the above recommendations, and would have no experience in the practices/results.

Earl Williamson, RN

7:23 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Roger That -
Please provide a reference supporting severe pruning and crowning in mature hardwoods. In much work with certified arborists I have never heard such and the only result of such I've ever seen from those practices is the accelerated loss of old growth hardwoods.

The only ones I have ever seen promote those practices are fly by night tree services pitching unneccesary work at inflated rates.

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CrowBurger

12:38 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

No "certified" arborist is going to tell you this because they risk stepping outside what is considered "standard practices." If the tree dies, they could be held culpable, lose their license, etc. I'm sure you can relate.

ANY pruning risks disease which is unpredictable. Standard practices were invented to protect the license, not the tree.

If you are in the neighborhood (Brookhaven), there is an excellent example of "gross neglect" pruning at the corner of Candler Lake E NE and W. Nancy Creek. The property owners have been hacking the death out of their tree (oh, you will see it) for 10+ years. Point being, it isn't diseased or dying.

I have mature hardwoods (white, red, water oaks) that I have hacked to death using "fly by night" tree service. My trees are fine.

If you have a tree that you want to keep, but prefer it to be half the size it is now (this all depends on exactly how high the canopy is), you can reduce it's size with a series of cuttings over several years.

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Earl Williamson, RN

5:55 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Please provide a scientific reference supporting severe pruning and crowning in mature hardwoods. I have had NO degreed arborist support either practice. Your hacking your own trees to death is not evidence for science based practice nor do you mention actually having had your trees evaluated by a certified arborist. You really haven't a clue as to the REAL health of your trees.

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CrowBurger

7:05 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I was a certified arborist for 12 years and am a retired forester. Go kill some patients. You bore me with your know it all attitude and deserve to pay for what you get.

Rob

8:11 pm on Friday, April 19, 2013

Wow...47 personalities and 47 professions...and to think people worry about the NRA!

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CrowBurger

12:34 pm on Saturday, April 20, 2013

Education didn't have to stop at grad school, Rob. Or, did you just give up after high school? Education shouldn't be limited to a single field, just in case you didn't know, Rob, because machines and migrants have ways of eliminating the viability of certain professions.

CrowBurger

1:01 pm on Saturday, April 20, 2013

WARNING! Graphic content of tree abuse that no "certified" tree swinger would approve!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRM8qxW9cjE

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Eddie E.

1:13 pm on Saturday, April 20, 2013

Is the intent of this 'article' to tamp down opposition to the 'bare earth' policies in place in the Brookhaven Overlay?

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Ralph

2:47 pm on Saturday, April 20, 2013

The pwer cmpanies and state highway departments sure practice severe pruning. Dn'r see any of the trees they butcher dying.

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CrowBurger

3:10 pm on Saturday, May 4, 2013

Most people won't accept a professional opinion unless they pay for it.

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