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Brookhaven's City Offices Are ... Not In Brookhaven

The new city's administrative offices will be in Dunwoody, while its municipal court will be in Corporate Square, inside city limits.

 


Brookhaven's temporary administrative offices will be located in Dunwoody.

On Sunday night, the Brookhaven Commission announced its recommendations for temporary office space. That location is at 200 Ashford Center North, in suite 125.

However, the commission's recommendations for municipal court are within city limits: suite 125, building two in Corporate Square, off Buford Highway.

The commission announced that city offices could be ready for occupation by February 2013.

Brookhaven's mayor and city council still have to approve the commission's recommendations for office space. That item is on the agenda for Monday night's meeting.

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About this column: Everything and anything that has to do with the road to cityhood on Dec. 17, 2012. Related Topics: Brookhaven Incorporation

Jshirsh

7:42 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

This is not uncommon. Sandy Springs, Johns Creek and Dunwoody all took temp space outside of City limits in an effort to control costs and get in quickly.

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marsha middleton

7:42 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

The old kroger next door to terra terroir restaurant or that building on the left as soon as you turn from peacthree onto dresden drive-across from blo salon.

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"E Pluribus Unum"

6:34 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Marsha Middleton, if by the old Kroger site you mean the former Harris Teeter, that's NOT a good location. We've kicked this topic around quite a bit. I also believe there has been general agreement (meaning both Yes and No's) this site should not be underutilized with a city hall versus providing a potential tax revenue stream to Brookhaven. There were also concerns about traffic safety and congestion at that location. As far as temporarily locating city hall in Dunwoody...Meh. I would rather a home run on it's permanent location. The location for municipal court seems reasonable.

Road Scholar

7:55 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

The Old Kroger can be redesign inside for the Permanent City Hall. But couldn't they find space closer for the temp city hall?

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John Q Public

8:09 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Ummmm what happened to keeping our money HERE? This is a joke. Well crap. What a huge slap in the face of our people.

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Howard Roark

8:55 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Jqp, did you voice those concerns during the open Offices & Facilities Commission committee meetings you attended?...

Didn't think so.

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Howard Roark

10:37 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Mr. Plumber, I don't have those concerns to voice. The offices are TEMPORARY and most cost efficient. Isn't that what all you NoCity folk wanted?

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Joe The Plumber

12:25 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

John,
Why be a jerk? If the city is here THEN IT SHOULD BE HERE. Another example of this city being formed for the benefit of a select few that were refused by annexation into Dunwoody. But hey, if we cannot be officially part of the city of Dunwoody...whats the next best thing? Give them some our Brookhaven taxpayer dollars and move our offices there? Shameful. You mean there is ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE IN OUR CITY for the offices to go?

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don Gabacho

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"Jqp, did you voice those concerns during the open Offices & Facilities Commission committee meetings you attended?..."---John Galt

Are you claiming it was announced that the City Hall of B'Haven might not to be located in B'Haven at any such meeting? Prior to the B'Patch's now report?

That anyone decent should have anticipated such unmitigated none-sense to oppose?

That if they did, they would matter anyway?

A city with no legal address is no city at all.

Welcome to corporatist governance.

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John McGrew

3:25 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Yes Don, I am quite sure it was discussed at great length at the Offices & Facilities Commission committee meeting, open to all. Surprised you weren't there, being as concerned and involved as you are in our community. Even if you weren't, the meeting minutes are available on-line if you care to educate yourself.

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don Gabacho

3:47 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Yes Don, I am quite sure it was discussed at great length....the meeting minutes are available on-line if you care to educate yourself."

"Quite sure"?

In other words: not certain.

Sounds like you need to read the "on-line minutes" yourself.

In any event, a web-site is not a "legal address."

Nor should anyone be expected to "find out" via the i-net.

Meanwhile do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself (whehter you are aware of it or probably not) by claiming bad reasons for anyone to not have attended (other than the first) non-elected governor's commission meetings in lieu of "good cause."

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John McGrew

4:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Don, this has been the most transparent governmental process I've ever witnessed; Certainly more transparent than anything that has ever transpired out at Decatur. There were no surprises to anyone who bothered to pay attention.

I can't help it if you aren't really interested in putting in the effort that so many others have. But that's the rub; the decisions usually get made by those who just bother to show up.

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don Gabacho

2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"...this has been the most transparent governmental process..."---John McGrew

Sly as it has been, and remains, not even the slyest charade ever witnessed.

"Certainly more transparent than...Decatur."

Yet again, if Decatur never existed, this cityhood would still have been conceived and imposed as it has; and still be the sham it is.

"But Decatur...!" "But DeKalb County...!"

All fools' bait.

"There were no surprises to anyone who bothered to pay attention."

Certainly your inability or unwillingnes to know what to pay attention to comes as no surprise.

"I can't help it if you aren't really interested in putting in the effort that so many others have. "

Listen to yourself. You don't even know me

The fact is you have no idea of the prices I've paid and continue to pay for my boundless interest.

It is you, not me, who is the new boy on this block.

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don Gabacho

2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"But that's the rub; the decisions usually get made by those who just bother to show up.'

There was a time when the response "There is good cause" was sufficient onto itself to require no further explanation.

Of course that's when enough people had couth.

Again listen to yourself.

At any time you attented a meeting which allowed questions, you could have relayed the concerns of others who, yet again, "have good cause not to attend."

But, at best, you are not paying attention, If capable or even willing to pay any beyond the tired script you ceaseleslly repeat with others to get everyone else going, as intended by the script master, nowhere.

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Howard Roark

3:18 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

don, FUNNY that you, of all people, have the nerve to advise someone to stop embarrassing him/herself. Have you ever taken the time to try and read your babbling comments? It is like watching a bunch of monkeys run around on acid. Mr. McGrew is one of the few on here who a) is not a fearmongerer (see Eddie E.), b) is not an egotistical tyrant (see HamBurger), and c) actually attended OPEN meetings, read COMMITTEE MINUTES, and PAID ATTENETION to reality and not suspicions. Now please, go back to Rite Aid, CVS or wherever you get your medication and fall back asleep on that couch of yours. Brookhaven is here and Brookhaven is great (no matter where the TEMPORARY offices are located)!

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don Gabacho

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"babbling....fearmongering....suspicions..."----John Galt

"Suspicions"?

I've have no "suspicions."

I have hard-core experience.

"Babbling"?

Mr Galt. do let us know when you can connect even one dot back onto itself.

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John McGrew

12:27 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Again, a guy who never comes out from behind a keyboard is telling those who are actually involved that they're not paying attention. Amusing. It's my sincere hope that the worst that the new Brookhaven has to deal with are such ignorant and baseless rantings.

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don Gabacho

4:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"Again, a guy who never comes out from behind a keyboard..."---John McGrew

Is that what I do?

"...is telling those who are actually involved that they're not paying attention."

Well. Obviously you're not.

Aside from having "good cause" for not attending: as I posted on the very day of the Governor's "Executive Order" decreeing the commission, I stated that to even attend the interim-government's public meetings would then lend undue credence to its legitimacy.

Now do pay attention: I, nonetheless, did attend their first public meeting.

Unfortunately it confirmed their illegitimacy---brazenly, even threateningly so.

But, go ahead and score more points with them, to, nonetheless, put a ludicrous attendance record on what they may merely say, or have said, before what they actually do and have done.

Surely you will score high on having attended their Show-and-Tell Attendance Record and get at least more slaps on your back and a free beer or two.

After all, conformity is the first step toward subjugation.

Chris

9:40 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

JG, some would complain no matter what. Jshirsh made a great point. Logical, therefore ignored by the negative vibe that fills the message boards here.

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FreddieK

10:37 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

This is simply counter-intuitive and "wrong" in spirit. The city is supposed to draw its people together, instead, it has been located to provide a short commute for co-Mayors Davis & Jacobs.

How temporary is temporary?

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don Gabacho

2:52 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"How temporary is temporary?"---FreddieK

Until Dunwoody, Chamblee, Doraville and Embry Hills are incorporated into the City of Brookhaven?

John McGrew

12:25 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

If any of you here had attended any of the meetings or even read the reports, you'd understand the reasons for this.

But it's far easier to complain than participate, isn't it?

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Eddie E.

1:47 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

John,

It isn't enough to be expected to pay for what we don't want, so now we have to LIKE IT as well?

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John McGrew

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Eddie, I really am sorry you're stuck in the boat you voted against. But does that really mean that you want it to sink anyway?

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don Gabacho

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"But it's far easier to complain..."----John McGrew

Tell us Mr. McGrew just how this 'decision' to where even the seat of a government is located must not the decision of government?

Don't worry. Help may still be on the way.

Certainly forever complaining about those complaining, about this City of Brookhaven, should be "non-binding."

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Eddie E.

3:23 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

John,
Look at it this way, I don't care what happens to it.
I have to pay more either way, of course, I expected that.
As far as I'm concerned, any level of 'success' is up to those who were intent on forcing it down our throats at all cost.
The 'occupiers' now bear the responsibility.

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John McGrew

3:47 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Eddie, since you have to pay more, seems to me that you'd want to actually be involved more. At least that's the way I feel.

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GuruLikeDrucker

10:08 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"I have to pay more either way, of course, I expected that. As far as I'm concerned, any level of 'success' is up to those who were intent on forcing it down our throats at all cost. "

I thought you were a big supporter of our current president and his policies?

Kim Gokce

12:25 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

FreddieK: Let me perhaps shock you and agree it is counter-intuitive. I don't know of a single person who would prefer the temp space be outside Brookhaven city limits. However, we must keep in mind that this is ultimately a question of requirements. The question this recommendation should raise is this in my opinion: What doesn't Brookhaven has office space for let that would meet the requirements or accept the tenant? For those that support "shop here first," I agree with you. The fact is, though, that the office space requirements articulated could not or would not be accepted by Brookhaven-based property owners. Given that we will have a governing authority of the City of Brookhaven actively taking up these issues tonight after 8pm, I recommend you reach out to your District Council representative and Mayor to discuss. To address your specific question, the temporary lease that was required is for 1 year. The Charter-defined transition period is for 2 years. A permanent domicile for "Town Hall" will certainly be a high priority before that second year creeps up on the City.

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Eric Hovdesven

1:11 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"The fact is, though, that the office space requirements articulated could not or would not be accepted by Brookhaven-based property owners."
Thanks Kim, that seems to sum it up. It would be nice but without if it doesn't reasonably exist then there are worse things than having the City Offices outside the city for one year.

Though I assume/hope the public meetings will be held in the temporary Court space at Corporate Square.

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don Gabacho

2:09 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"However, we must keep in mind that this is ultimately a question of requirements..."----Kim Gocke

Of a state legislated city charter that did not require a legal address for even an interim governor's commission prior to operating? Much less city?

A governor's commission incapable of even finding space within its own city-to-be?

And instead in a city whose officials engaged themselves in the imposition of a City of Brookhaven on whole districts of citizens who were deprived by the State of being allowed to even vote on being incorporated, or not, into any proposed city of Brookhaven?

Baloney.

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don Gabacho

2:09 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"The fact is, though, that the office space requirements articulated could not or would not be accepted by Brookhaven-based property owners."---Eric

Including "property owners" who wanted the city but not its city hall?

That's a good one.

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GuruLikeDrucker

10:08 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Mr. Gringo @ your comment "Including "property owners" who wanted the city but not its city hall?"

The short answer is, YES. Hope this helps.

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don Gabacho

2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"Mr. Gringo @ your comment 'Including property owners who wanted the city but not its city hall? The short answer is, YES."---Guru Drek

The question was obviously r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c-a-l.

"Hope this helps."

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don Gabacho

1:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012

But, thanks for YOUR affirmation: "...YES."

Cindy Buell

12:38 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

This is ridiculous. There is plenty of space on Buford highway although likely not as *attractive* as Dunwoody and of course the space that another poster suggested - the old Kroger/Harris Teeter shopping center.. I find this disrespectful to the citizens of Brookhaven.

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A Resident

1:11 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

There were literally hundreds of posts on the blog AGAINST the Harris Teeter site. if you 'know' of space on Buford Highway why didn't you get off your keister and volunteer to help. As Kim said, if you don't like it, let your councilman know.

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Eric Hovdesven

1:17 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

I imagine one problem with the Kroger/Harris Teeter spot is it would require buildout to convert it into useable space for offices. while this is a possiblity for a longer term space, the City is seeking temporary space to use for offices which is why it makes sense to move into something set up for offices. I suspect the space proposed doesn't even require new carpeting or paint.

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don Gabacho

3:23 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"This is ridiculous."---Cindy

"Naysayer"!

This is "local government."

Jacobs'/B'Yes Sir style.

Take it or (literally) leave it.

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John McGrew

3:23 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

I would much rather see a prime commercial location such as the Harris Teeter location developed as something that would generate revenue for the city as opposed to one that would consume too much of it.

I'd rather see the permanent location on Buford.

John Q Public

1:11 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Amen Cindy. First order of Brookhaven Business, move to Dunwoody. Unreal.

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Gail A Spears

1:11 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Yes, how temporary, 30, 60 90 days or 6 months to a year? Was there a timeframe established for temp offices?

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Kim Gokce

1:11 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

HI Cindy! There isn't actually plenty of space - that is precisely part of the problem encountered. There are very few landlords who can meet the current requirements with available space. They have space but it is either leased to the point they cannot provide for the square footage or they literally refuse to host municipal tenants as a policy. I hope this make sense. No one can force a landlord to accept the City Hall requirements and of the ones who were willing a tiny list had the space required.

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don Gabacho

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"There are very few landlords who can meet the current requirements with available space."----Kim Gocke

A city without the space to be one.

Gad!

x

1:17 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Well, at least the new city budget looks healthier then expected by all the naysayers.

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Eddie E.

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

And where is this budget published?

Kim Gokce

1:17 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Gail: As per above, the proposed temp space requirement for the lease duration is 1 year. The Charter-defined Transition Period is 2 years, ending on December 17, 2014.

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Joe The Plumber

1:44 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Kim,
With all due respect and thank you for all of your hard work, but it is ridiculous that you can find space for municipal court but you cant find space for administrative offices IN BROOKHAVEN. I wasn't for the city due to the compressed timeframe, did support the concept of city hood if done with careful planning and due diligence. This is precisely why. Rubber bands and paper clips. We could have done better. What will be the next excuse - we can't have a police force because we don;t have anywhere to put it? C'mon. This is lame man.
Again - nothing personal and with all due respect. BROOKHAVEN SHOULD BE IN BROOKHAVEN. ALL OF IT.

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Eddie E.

1:59 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Wouldn't if have been nice if consideration of whether or not there was A SINGLE FACILITY READY TO HOST A GOVERNMENT EXISTED IN THE BROOKHAVEN FOOTPRINT were included in say the CVI?

This borders on ridiculous.

Couldn't we buy a couple of used classroom trailers?

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don Gabacho

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"Wouldn't if have been nice..."---Eddie

Does it really matter when the new city, additional governance of B'Haven is governable by remote anyway?

Smile! You're on Candid Camera!

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don Gabacho

2:52 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"As per..."---Kim Gokce

"Decision making": Who made this 'decision'? And when?

Similarly, the 'decision' to have premature---though obviously not premature enough---taking of even oaths of office?

From conception to date, this city has been nothing but one bulldozed imposition after another.

Did the referendum include the City of Brookhaven's City Hall to be anywhere but within the prosposed city?

How many people other than the number of members of the so-called "citizens committee" C4ND, its substitute that followed, B'Yes, and its, in turn, substitute that followed, "Governor's Commission," would have voted for any city incapable of having a city hall within its own boundries?

How many others would have even bothered to vote except to laugh the lot of you out of town?

Kim Gokce

1:31 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Eric: "I suspect the space proposed doesn't even require new carpeting or paint." The proposed temp space is "move-in" ready including wiring and fixture/furnishings. It also was apparently a very competitive rate. I'm ok with folks venting about a non-Brookhaven City Hall - I don't like it either but I do understand it is necessary to get the City moving. There is time in 2013 to discuss the permanent domicile so I encourage more debate about that and the City Council will take up that issue once the most urgent items are addressed as per their agenda. See next re-post of their agenda for tonight: ...

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Phil

1:31 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Unbelievable! People who have not lifted a finger (except to type here) nor moved their bodies to the meetings to be involved are now bitching because those volunteers that did get involved KNOW what was available out there in the Brookhaven footprint.

Let there be no mistake--- if they found a space that met all the requirements, there would still be carping about the --hmm, let's see--

cost, location, terms, too much furniture included, not enough furniture included, not enough parking, too much parking,not impressive enough, too impressive--therefore too costly, too convenient for a few office holders, color of doors not right. ETC. ETC.

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Eddie E.

1:44 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Phil,
It's not enough that we have to pay for what we didn't want, we are also expected to 'volunteer' to assemble this tinker-toy monstrosity and like it?

Expect too much there very often?

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FreddieK

5:48 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Phil - what have you done?

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don Gabacho

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"...volunteers that did get involved KNOW what was available out there in the Brookhaven footprint...."---Filemon

"KNOW"?

Then they KNEW that the City of Brookhaven will owe money (rent), for its Municiplal Court (in "Corporate Square"), to the same landlord that the MxGov owes money for its Institute of Mexico? Just next door at "Executive" Park")?

You know: The same "Instituto de Mexico" which has been so helpful being provided, having and using our own---still untold numbers of--- voter registration forms?

Btw, just down the street from both, is where all these knowers should take a good look at for City Hall: 1700 Chantilly Dr NE.

Hope that helps.

Howard Roark

1:59 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Mr. Gokce, kudos to you and your fellow Commissioners for all of the hours you have spent away from your families volunteering your time to help get our City started down the right path.

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Kim Gokce

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Thank you, Mr. Galt. With 100% sincerely I can say it was an honor in spite of the challenges. Happy to serve the community I have loved for 30+ years. Regards to Ms. Taggart ... :)

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Kim Gokce

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Hi Mr. Plumber! As I wrote above, I completely am supportive of a healthy debate about the location of "City Hall." I look forward to hearing the proposals from the community at large on this point. Simply saying it is ridiculous isn't productive. Simply saying, "Why not in trailers?" might be a valid question but one that would be instantly dismissed by the requirements that are imposed by the uses, scope, and State and Federal Law. The Commission's job was to efficiently identify the viable options for year 1 leasing that meet the requirements developed and the law. That has been done. None of the common options that were and are being thrown at the Facilities Committee were judged viable or simply not available. I'm not sure how this is in any way controversial - it is simply the case. Anyone who would be willing to review the marketplace and provide an actual vetted alternative should be applauded and I have no problem with that approach.

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Joe The Plumber

2:52 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

So your answer is "It is what it is. Deal with it?" Classic.

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Eddie E.

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Kim,
Not to besmirch your efforts and my question is not necessarily directed to you but instead is simply a general question.
However, if there were no space in the city limits that met the legal requirements for a Municipal Headquarters, would it have been too much to ask that such a reality be made public BEFORE the vote?

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don Gabacho

3:23 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"I completely am supportive of a healthy debate about the location of 'City Hall.'" ---Kim

How generous of you.

Debating about it still, however, serves no purporse.

Like so many others throughout history, even the Aztecs looked for---and found---a seat for a new government before having one.

Let's just get the sham over with.

On a P.O. Box in Mexico City. Cancun?

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don Gabacho

2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

P.S.: "Like so many others throughout history, even the Aztecs looked for---and found---a seat for a new government before having one."---Me

And they were cannibals.

Henry Orvin

2:52 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Commissioners thank you for your VOLUNTEER work. I am sure the space will be fine.

To the complainers:

If you are not part of the solution you are the problem!

I see none of the whiners providing relevant information in any posts that would be helpful. If you know of an unoccupied building, that has reasonable square footage and is accessible I am sure your councilperson would like to know about it. They need to know things like sq footage, cost per sq foot, handicap accessibility, lease terms. Long term availability. What the landlord will throw in for free. etc. All the things it takes to do a deal, all of those things that you don't have time to go find out I am sure because you are too busy pontificating on this website.

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Eddie E.

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Henry,
As a victim of the invasion of my neighborhood by a city, I feel no obligation whatsoever to undertake any effort for any of the requirements.

I just want my tax cut, remarkable parks, new streets with sidewalks everywhere and a world class police department.....

And lets start with the mammoth tax cut.

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Howard Roark

4:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

eDDIE, always playing the victim card. You should have done a better job of getting more "victims" out to vote on July 31st, November 6th and December 4th. The MAJORITY voted for the City and your "invaded" neighborhood voted for Mayor Davis TWICE. Maybe you don't know your neighborhood as well as you think you do.

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Enuff Govt Already

4:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

I'm going to echo Eddie here. I was not in favor of the city as I believe there is enough government already. To complain about the "complainers" because they are not working for a government they did not want seems odd. If the pro-city advocates could complain about the county why is it those who saw no need for more government can't voice their opinion about the new city?

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John McGrew

5:48 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Enuff, probably because I've been to enough county meetings as well.

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Eddie E.

5:48 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Enuff,
Apparently 'local control' means losing one's ability to decide for oneself.
After all, we have been given our instructions, it is time to obey!

But I do take umbrage at the notion of a 'majority' deciding this nonsense.
A 'majority' of the population has voted on neither the municipality, nor the elected officials.
Welcome to Occupied Brokehaven!

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don Gabacho

3:25 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

" If the pro-city advocates could complain about the county why is it those who saw no need for more government can't voice their opinion about the new city?"---Enuff Govt Already

Because 'corporatist government' disallows dissent.

Corporatist government will go to any extent to silence it.

Have you not noticed the many posts here, from Day One to date, by B'Yes Sirs flaunting even their snooping?

Along with threats to make univited visits to people's homes, to be wary of going down streets at night, demands to know how people voted on the state-mandated referendum and, most recently, even a visit to one dissenter's place of work?

Place of business?

Snooping even the Editor of the B'Patch as to where he has another job?

Accompanied often enough with statements that even their businesses---their incomes---(including the B'Patch's) should suffer if the dissenters continue their dissent and, respectively, are allowed to post their dissent?

No matter the facades, role-players and their master-script, this is not, and never has been, a matter of mere government rather than sheer rule.

Welcome to 'corporatist governance.'

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don Gabacho

4:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"If you are not part of the solution you are the problem!"---Henry Orivn

How quaint.

Actually, for quite some time its been a new world for what has become the City of Brookhaven.

Try the, certainly now, apt:

"If you're not part of the problem, there is a solution."

Welcome to 'corporatist governance.'

Kim Gokce

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

I'm going to go asymmetric on you all ... please read this blog on Coca-Cola Foundation's site by my fellow Cross Keys Foundation Board Member, Mpaza Kapembwa, Mpaza has a more sober and solid judgement that I do and I think a perspective on life and priorities that we would be wise to keep as part of our own. I look forward to his return from Williams College because I see a great community leader maturing in him. I have learned from Mpaza not to be afraid of controversy - he is an honest and fearless young man. This ends my tangent - I would wish we could all be as reasoned and sincere and brave as Mpaza. Remember that name!

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Kim Gokce

3:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

HI Joe! No, my answer is ... it is what it is. Deal or no deal is not for me to say. I'm certainly not patronizing you and I'd appreciate the same.

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Joe The Plumber

4:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"It is what it is" is poor answer. However you slice it. Perhaps you can extrapolate more on it in your book. I know you guys have worked hard. And I really do appreciate that. And I appreciate that you are the only commission member who has a backbone to address these issues on this forum.

PS, I have never missed a single meeting and I have never missed a single public forum. I am involved in my community and I am very much committed to it.

But putting our city hall in Dunwoody sends a message to the citizens of Brookhaven that the administration will do what they dang well please when they dang well please and there is nothing the people can do about it. It's a bad idea. Did you all present an alternative than moving outside the city limits?

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John McGrew

5:48 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Joe, do you really believe that they actually want to place it outside of Brookhaven? Other than being ready to occupy and saving a boatload of money, what other possible explanation could there be?

If someone knows of a better location within the city limits that fits the parameters as defined by the Offices & Facilities commission, contact your councilperson. I'm sure they'd be interested.

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don Gabacho

2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"Joe, do you really believe that they actually want to place it outside of Brookhaven? Other than being ready to occupy and saving a boatload of money, what other possible explanation could there be?"---John McGrew

Unabashed cronisim.

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don Gabacho

4:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"...that the administration will do what they dang well please when they dang well please and there is nothing the people can do about it..."----Joe The Plumber

Nothing new since Day One.

Even to, as surely precipitated by nearly simultaneous posts last Thursday, to hastily cancel that night's and, what turned out to be, all further public meetings to instead jump-start the new government no matter the referendum's grant for when being even legislatively allowed to do so.

FreddieK

4:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

All: a differing viewpoint than some express:

Some in this forum seem to hold to some sort of "higher" plane criticizing those who voice opinion here without attending multiple laborious & insidious meetings as though that empowers you somehow.

I never wanted to be in a city, some jerk drew a line around my house and said "you'll be in our city unless you rally appropriate opposition in an unwanted vote". I voted & apparently I didn't rally sufficient opposition... now... my views are less important because I do not choose to attend these grueling meetings??? I've never been a "participant"; its a dull & unflattering game to play in my view, but the credibility of my opinion is at least as significant as any fool who chooses to bore themselves to death.

Just sayin.

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John McGrew

5:48 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

FreedieK, the only "higher plane" I hold is above those who purport to know more about what is going on with all their conspiracy theories and what-not, and yet never seem to appear outside of their basements.

Literally hundreds of Brookhaven citizens contributed thousands of man hours to this project in the most transparent manner possible. Everyone was invited. (Ironically, the only people chased away from committee memberships were those seeking to submit responses to the RFPs; that certainly thinned some of the rooms)

People are free to voice an opinion. But they certainly aren't entitled to be taken more seriously by those who were actually there.

Just sayin.

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don Gabacho

10:15 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

"...without attending multiple laborious & insidious meetings..."---FreddieK

It should not be too long now that, as in Mexico, the ruling hacks have their "vigilantes" (as in neighborhood watchmen) round-up and bus everyone to fill even stadiums for their political charades to lend false popularity to their persons and false credance to their powers empowerments while woe onto any stragglers or persons staying behind.

It does have a bit of an upside though: free tacos, Tecate, bags of dry beans, tortilla flour, even gift cards, big-band mariachi and other assorted trinkets.

No Job-Johnnies though.

Resulting in quite a bonanza in fines for waiting police.

"E Pluribus Unum"

7:51 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

John McGrew, here is another perspective to consider. I do not necessarily equate man hours with appropriate outcomes. In other words, I felt the analysis used to justify a new city was not totally accurate and transparent. There were honest concerns about the data used, the unwillingness to introduce additional scenarios and data, and the promise that taxes would be lowered, services (parks, sidewalks) and police protection much better than currently provided, and a higher level of responsive, ethical local governance. I was open to a new city if I personally the cost benefit was justified. I never had faith the proposed costs were solid enough to justify big, bold promises. Now I see a building voice that Brookhaven citizens will have to make trade-offs as what we can afford with the level of service provided. Additionally, some are now saying lowered taxes were never promised. Guess what? I would still consider supporting a new city if proponents were only honest and transparent and provided me with the different trade-offs. In my opinion, they insulted my intelligence and did not respect me by not conceding what they are now conceding. I (many others) knew we would end up in the predicament we seem to be in at the moment. So to say you have higher power, or your voice is more important than mine because of "sweat equity" doesn't make sense. In my opinion, your sweat equity will never deliver what I was promised. I hope I'm wrong...but I smell a classic bait and switch.

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John McGrew

11:01 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

If it makes you feel any better, I was no more confident in the math presented than you are. But that's why I'm paying even closer attention now, instead of just surrendering.

And I have no "higher power" than you. (In fact, I never said that; someone else who wanted to argue with a straw man said I was on a "higher plane") I just said that there are a lot of people making more of an effort than the basement dwellers are, and I take them far more seriously.

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GuruLikeDrucker

12:58 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

The” higher level of responsive, attention to parks, and ethical local governance” were the primary issues that most of my neighbors were focused on. In my opinion, the budget look reasonable and the calls for a recalculation were silly given that we could never really get real tax estimates out of DeKalb County.
Ultimately, if things start getting a little tight the city can always re-assess the home values in Eddie E's neighborhood. Homes in that neighborhood were reassessed at extremely low rates when the county was angling for a massive condemnation process a couple years back. Now that DeKalb is out of the picture, those houses could probably be reassessed at 1.5X to 2X their current assessed value.

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HamBurger

1:46 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Mr. GuruLikeDrucker, LOL, now that DeKalb is out of the picture? Really? By the way, DeKalb will continue to handle property assessments and taxation. But you know that!

Additionally, you know how turbulent the past few years have been with all of the assessment protests filed due the economic changes. The tax digest changed rapidly from when it is first presented to a point when the vast majority of protests and reassessments are completed approximately a year and a half later. Was DeKalb uncooperative? Did Brookhaven Yes choose not to utilize the information provided because it was estimated due to ongoing changes during this volatile economic period?

So you rolled the dice and Rep. Mike Jacobs along with Vinson’s Mr. Baggett manipulated the Vinson study intending on shell gaming the budget if you could sell enough folks on the city?

What a fine Guru you are. Did you experience a little lump in your throat during the swearing in last night?

Special hamburger and a Cheeerwine?

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don Gabacho

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"What a fine Guru you are. Did you experience a little lump in your throat during the swearing in last night?"----Hamburger

Didn't the legislation and referendum grant the city officials the power to govern to begin "12:01 AM December 17"?

No matter what issues certainly precipitated, beginning last Thursday, the sudden meeting changes to, subsequently, jump-start the oath-taking and governing?

Why would any of the publc holders-elect have allowed themselves to begin, as they have, anytime sooner?

Similary, why would any judge give any oath of office prior to the date granted to any public holder-elect when having to know the same occassion included immediate governing to follow?

Why, at this date, would any advising lawyer allow the office holders appoint him (or not) the city lawyer?

That is, if any of the office holders and would-be appointees have, or indeed ever had, any interest in their actions having the force of law?

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don Gabacho

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

The only bright side on this is the office holders are now being bound by the US Constitution to----first and foremost----protect and defend it.

As obviously as always, the US Constitution does not empower any foreign power, including the MxGov, to engage itself in any matter whatsoever in our voting processes, referendums and indeed electons.

(Including their own.)

So? Who among the elected then, if any, will be the first to ignore the "schedule" and be the first to fulfill their primary obligation of office?

While, on the matter of Brookhaven's cityhooding, the question never really having been just what, if anything, has been illegal about it rather than just what, if anything, has ever been legal about it?

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don Gabacho

3:25 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"While, on the matter of Brookhaven's cityhooding...?"---Me

Come to think of it, this most recent episode of suddenly canceled public meetings, and subsequent decision by an unknown (or unknowns) for this new state-legislated government to commence operation sooner than granted, is far more than merely cavalier.

It's downright flagrant.

Does this flagrancy not provide sufficient cause in itself for the nullification of this government? By its own doing no less?

TomMiller1

6:55 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Politics has business based decisions - saving money, doing more with less - as well as decisions based on community perceptions and needs.

While I admire the desire to save $$, it just smells bad to have city offices 2-3 miles outside the city limits. Transparency? BS I say. I recall distinctly that office space concerns would NOT be made public bc of claimed concerns that a landlord would jack up any proposed lease costs.

As a taxpayer, I volunteered. I would have attended meetings had there been an inkling that this decision was possible/probable.

Here is where the lie will be exposed - when a 'losing' landlord comes out and says, I offered better deal.

Politically this is a bad first step.

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John McGrew

11:01 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

The problem is that there simply is not a lot of office space in Brookhaven. Of the possibly suitable locations that were found, it was the landlords that were not interested in leasing to the city because of issues they believed hosting a government would entail. (parking, number of visitors, etc)

The details of this problem were outlined in the minutes (online at brookhavencommision.com) and at several of the meetings, including Sunday's and last night's 1st council meeting.

It would be quite interesting if a "losing landlord" were to present themselves. I seriously doubt there will be since if there was, they'd already be all over here screaming about it.

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don Gabacho

1:59 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012

"The problem is..."---John McGrew

There was never any will; and thus no way.

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John McGrew

9:45 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Again don, how would you know? You weren't there.

marsha middleton

7:29 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

E. Pluribus, thanks for the clarification on Harris Teeter vs. Kroger....I've been in Brookhaven since 2008 and it was a 'Kroger' when I moved here. Either way, last I looked it said the space could be 'built to suit,' which I assume means it could be resized to accommodate the City of Brookhaven's needs, if even temporarily. Just seems odd to kick off a new city in another city. Just saying...

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Brookhaven4u

8:59 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Tom you are not looking at it from all angles. This location is actually very convenient for our founding fathers of district 1.

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"E Pluribus Unum"

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Marsha Middleton...I do understand what you are saying.

"E Pluribus Unum"

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

John McGrew...sorry for trying to associate a comment that you didn't make. Thank you for the clarification. I am glad we are both paying very close attention to numbers. That should be an important consideration for everyone, regardless if they approved a new city or not. I do have a different perspective on whether "effort" folks have a more credible POVs versus "basement dwellers." There are smart people in both camps. Access to data, information, current events etc. is available to all. Having the intelligence and ability to evaluate all of these sources of information also extends to both segments. So why would anyone (elected officials) discount any feedback or different perspectives that might be important to hear, consider and possibly result in mid-course calibration? This seems to be good business to me. The city is now a reality. Nothing will change that. But I believe being tuned into dissenting opinions is an important element of new city governance. Just because you may disagree with what I am saying, doesn't mean my POV is not thoughtful or irrelevant. Likewise, just because someone is gung-ho about something doesn't automatically make their opinion better or more important. They might have a terrible sense of judgement and perspective. We need all voices here. Regardless if I am labeled "basement dweller" because someone doesn't like what I say or how I say it, I am still a citizen. City leaders are obligated to hear and represent me.

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"E Pluribus Unum"

4:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Last point...many of us labeled "basement dwellers" were looking at the data provided early on regarding a new city and disagreed with the conclusions made. We did not surrender. We asked questions. We requested more analysis. We asked for broader community input and education. We raised a lot of red flags. Again, we did not surrender. As it turned out, the city was passed. And guess what? Many of the concerns raised are now beginning to be voiced. As an example, 'it's unrealistic to think taxes will be lowered when levels of services (parks, sidewalks, police protection etc.) are being expected to go up by voters. Brookhaven citizens will have to make choices...decide on a menu approach to balance taxes, revenues and expenses.' So many of us saw what was coming down the pipe, didn't surrender, fought a good fight, and are basement dwellers now because it seems we were right.

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x

9:22 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

All kidding aside, I do think this new budget is reasonable.

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HamBurger

6:32 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

x, LOL! Excuse me for not asking the obvious!

Celebrate with a special hamburger and a Cheerwine?

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Low and Behold

3:29 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

EPU your visions of self grandeur and bravery are seriously misplaced and bordering on delusional. Your inability to adequately observe and comprehend are the cause. You wrote "We did not surrender...." As if you were engaged in an arduous or risky battle. YOU WEREN'T. You and the other basement dwellers or crotchety old men were hiding behind fake names repeating generalities over and over again. It is just pathetic.

And the ultimate proof is the complaints expressed here about the temporary location of the city hall. I prefer saving money over a short term and largely meaningless symbolic gesture of housing the county manager and 3 or 4 other staffers inside the city limits for the next year. ITS JUST TEMPORARY! The Governors Commission pursuant to the Charter and the legislation covering the Commission has executed its role in a very admirable fashion and there recommendation justifiably is based on the facts as they exist.

And this city hall location has nothing to do with what the budget will look like. And we could spend another year studying things but that will not change the fact that everything was an estimate. As of now there is nothing to indicate that the city won't be able to provide greater services with a millage rate below the cap of 3.35. That's the commitment, and yes we know you and your ilk think that can't be done. But do we really need to hear that opinion 50 times a day 365 days a year?

Kim Gokce

12:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"Politically this is a bad first step." ... and therein lies the truth and the truth is politics had and has absolutely nothing to do with site recommendation. The effort was about as business-like as it can get in the public sector. I hope the governing authority continues in that spirit. Regarding timeline, many answers can be found in this document: http://ubuntuone.com/6H7v62G8TCWdqW31rXkjyQ

That's the city charter that I have found to be a font of wisdom on the subject of the startup and operations of the City of Brookhaven. I recommend it to everyone but it is rated, "M," for "Mature."

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don Gabacho

3:25 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"That's the city charter that I have found to be a font of wisdom on the subject of the startup and operations of the City of Brookhaven. I recommend it to everyone but it is rated, 'M,' for 'Mature.'"---Kim Gocke

How "not condescending" of you to yet again instruct others on what you deem must be the "wise," and even now the "mature," thing to do.

Meanwhile, do familiarize yourself, and let others re-familarize themselves also, with what is certainly germane here too:

sos.georgia.gov/elections/constitution.htm

Even:

www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

Meanwhile, are you going to answer the question, again repeated: Just who made the
decision to cancel the public meeting scheduled last Thursday to, subsequently, jump-start the city government to commence Dec 10 rather than the date legally granted of December 17?

Or would answering even this question not be the "wise" and "mature" thing to do?

Kim Gokce

4:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Don' s fallacious question can be identified as such, ironically, in the referenced Charter. For those that refuse to read it, the date has always been Dec. 17 *sigh*...

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don Gabacho

10:15 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

"Don' s fallacious question can be identified as such, ironically, in the referenced Charter. For those that refuse to read it, the date has always been Dec. 17 *sigh*..."---Kim Gocke

Kim, it is your response that is "falacious."

"Sigh."

Please do not "refuse to reread" what I indeed posted:

"...to, subsequently, jump-start the city government to commence Dec 10 rather than the date legally granted of December 17."

Yet again: Who made this decision?

Kim Gokce

4:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

... for "cityhood" ... the authority to make legal and binding decisions has always been from the first day after the election is certified and a quorum sworn in.

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don Gabacho

2:11 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Who, beginning last Thursday, cancelled the public meetings scheduled?

Kim Gokce

5:34 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Joe: "Did you all present an alternative than moving outside the city limits?"

I appreciate the kind words. Hey, if I agreed with everything you said, you' d be my wife. So no offense ever taken by me on reaching different conclusions. To your question, there was quite a list of prospects in the beginning. By the time we needed to finalize a recommendation, the list was down to two. Hours before the recommendation, the other site owner vetoed their candidacy saying their national office overruled their acceptance of a municipal tenant ... and then there was one. We may or may not like the outcome but the recommendation was submitted by the committee after much diligence and accepted by the Commission as the sole remaining viable alternative.

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TomMiller1

8:14 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Tone deaf decision. Small and political acts should not matter, but they do. A divorce, or a DUI later dismissed, all topple fine people in politics.

Politics is not just business. It's more than that. Tip O'Neill said all politics is local. If you had a location in the town of brookhaven, and it cost $2K more or even more than that ... you at least argue nuances of best for tax base, etc.

If you walk to a neighbor's house- as I did - and ask a retired CEO - "hey did you hear that the city of brookhaven has temporary offices in Dunwoody?" the smell test conclusion is "not good."

In a day and time when office vacancies are still at record levels, I'm just not buying that there was not one single amount of acceptable space in brookhaven. And this, after "buckhead" space was rejected b/c it was not in the city of Bhaven.

BTW Kim, before you cast aspersions my way, I DID volunteer for a task force committee, and I do have more than 50-60 hours of mostly anonymous work into this thing. The only prerequisite to my view is 1)I live in Bhaven 2)I's a taxpayer.

And I attended all but 2 commission meetings.

Spend some time on Craigslist for space too ... .

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/off/3448847156.html

We can in the weeds on the decision, but I've run a successful business, and to me it's a bad PR move - but time will tell won't it?

I look forward to driving out of town during Christmas rush hour for the first few city meetings in dunwoody.

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Kim Gokce

9:59 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Tom: I have never made it a pre-requisite to be a volunteer to have an opinion - not sure where that came from ... but in any case the listing you share falls short of the requirements starting with the space isn't sufficient on the first floor.

Your comment is obviously well-intended, I think, but you cannot escape from the requirements and neither could we. It is not a PR move, it is not a political decision ... it was the ONLY viable decision available.

I suppose the offices and facilities team could have recommended no viable option and let the mayor and city council futz around discussing options for weeks on end only to land in the same place. Would that be better?

I think that after we all chew on this fully we will settle on it being the best and right recommendation to help the city have the best chance at smooth launch. If someone presents a better deal that would have met the requirements in Brookhaven, I be at the front of the line saying, "we missed it."

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don Gabacho

1:42 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

"I have never made it a pre-requisite to be a volunteer to have an opinion."---Kim Gocke

As if it should really matter if you did?

" - not sure where that came from ... "

Try your incessant "I"----on this, that and everything.

"in any case the listing you share falls short of the requirements starting with the space isn't sufficient on the first floor."

It does. Especially when, as any conscionable citizen would, for only one, simply drop any contrived requirement for an unecessary, in fact objectional, police department.

Given the very (co)author, Mike Jacobs, of the house bill acedeing compliance, including "townships," to the National Voters Rights Act---- and passed without a statewide referendum to change the Constitution of the State of Georgia to include "townships"---would never less declare, on the very subject of Brookhaven having to be a city (which includes its own police) and not a township (which does not include its own police), that having a "township," would require a state-wide referendum?

A matter which, among many others, invalidates the whole of the cityhooding and city no matter how later legislated and referen-dumded .

"...it is not a political decision ... "

"E Pluribus Unum"

10:15 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Low and Behold...go and check my comments regarding the temporary location of city hall and you'll find I personally don't have a problem if the due diligence was performed about locations in Brookhaven. I have no reason to suspect that wasn't done. Your conclusion regarding my perspective was incorrect. As far as your question...absolutely. 24/7/365 until delivery of big bold promises are made. Lower taxes, higher levels of services, and more ethical, transparent, responsive city leaders. We haven't even started yet.

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Brookhaven Maven

10:15 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Mr. Gokce --

You keep mentioning the "requirements" for temporary office space. What, exactly, are those? I have looked in the charter and various documents posted on the Commission web site, but can find nothing which specifies exactly what the "requirements" are. Help me out here? Thanks.

My guess is that once I know what these "requirements" are, I can give you at least two locations INSIDE the Brookhaven footprint that qualify. It is both sad and funny that our shiny new city is going to locate its basic operations outside the city. We are going to be laughed at by everyone from the County and all surrounding cities.

Again, please advise where I can read what the "requirements" for this space are.

-- The Maven

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The Real Maven

7:20 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

TomMiller if you had attended any of these "first city meetings" that have already taken place you would realize that no council meeting has been or will be held outside of the city. The temporary city hall is for day to day business like permits etc. It won't be used for anything else.
Legally, I believe, council and any other public meetings have to be held in the city limits. Faux Maven, there are ADA requirements, square footage requirements 12-15k s.f. free and and ample parking requirements, less than 20$ per s.f. requirements, and of course a landlord who will allow a government tenant. Oh and move in ready in 3 days with Internet and phone lines already run and furniture with a one year lease requirement. Jed Beardsley said all of this at the swearing in. Were you there? And you call yourself a Maven!

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Eddie E.

8:19 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

rm,

You got your city, quit whining.

Now you guys make it work!

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don Gabacho

12:59 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

"if you had attended any of these 'first city meetings' that have already taken place you would realize that no council meeting has been or will be held outside of the city."

Baloney.

Who met, and where, to even decide even same-day cancellations of public meetings as somehow made public notice on a webpage?

Even police committee's?

Much less the cancelations of scheduled public meetings beginning last Thursday?

The temporary city hall is for day to day business like permits etc. It won't be used for anything else."---The Real Maven

Who are you to make such claims?

Dictator?

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don Gabacho

3:39 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

"I have looked in the charter..."---Brookhaven Maven

Thanks to Kim's prodding, I have just now looked at the charter authored by Mike Jacobs:

BM, Did you notice line 1348:

"This act shall become effective upon approval of the Governor or upon its approval...

and, continuing on, line 1349:

"...without such approval."?

Also lines 1352-54:

"If the referendum provided for inn Section 6.02 fails, then such boundries shall cease to exist and shall be subject to annexation by other municipalities?

As I posted so long ago at the verybeginning when this City of Brookhaven was first proposed: beginning with Doraville's forays into Embry Hills, the sponsors are not really not interested in Brookhaven being a city rather than the "annexation" of, and subsequent "consolidation" of, whole zones into any city existing, or yet proposed.

Posting later that even if the B'Yes Sirs lost the referendum on B'Haven, they'd nevertheless pursue "annexing" (incorporating) zones into Dunwoody, Chamblee, and Doraville for an ultimate, corporatist, super-city anyway.

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don Gabacho

3:39 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Note: "...without such approval..."

Shouldn't the "Governor's Commission" have been called the "Legislator's Commission"?

The Real Maven

9:06 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

All we are saaaaaaayyying..... Give this ci-ty a chaaance.

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Eddie E.

9:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

No comrade.
All you are saying is citizens have been gotten out from under impure county (and many did not know it was impure county) so citizens should be happy and QUIET.

Glorious District 1 now have access to funds to make District 1 paradise inner party deserves.

Proletarians in Districts 2, 3 and 4 just give tax money and be happy.

There is now local control, District 1 is local, and in control, and have decided where is best for inner party to do business of city.

No more questions about city or actions of Glorious Mayor will be tolerated (remember, Glorious Mayor knows where you live!).

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don Gabacho

12:25 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012

"Give this ci-ty a chaaance."---The Real Maven

To have a court not on public property---for any duration---must be as illegal as it is preposterous.
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Similarly to have the seat of government outside its own jurisdiction.

Until these, and other, matters are legally resolved, this City of Brookaven in Dunwoody must cease and desist all further activites.

I can assure you that, if the commssion had even had a legal address, and, to date, even this City of Brookhaven in Dunwoody, legal and certified correspondance would have commenced as early as the commission having seated itself.

Legal addresses that, astonishingly, we still await.

HamBurger

9:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

The fact that a temporary office is located in Dunwoody because it was the least expensive space is an agreeable compromise. Hey, it will only be for a year.

The more important question is if Mayor Jerry Max Davis will have that door removed from his office as promised!

Please pass the yellow mustard!

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don Gabacho

1:59 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012

"The more important question is if Mayor Jerry Max Davis will have that door removed from his office..."----HamBurger

Surely not.

Our City of Brookhaven City Hall in the City of Dunwoody will, like our "Municipal Court," be subject to (if not already), at minimum, the private---not public----tennant policies of their locales' private---not public---property owners.

Or, at least, the policies of those who would exploit the corredor.

Brookhaven4u

12:37 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012

While this is a small issue that many citizens never accounted for due to the rush of cityhood by our founding fathers. There will be others.
The real issue is when the true Revenue & Expenses come in. If they are good or bad, the temp. city office location is going to be nothing but a small bumb in the road.

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Aaron Bawcom

3:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier in the comments or not but the suite number is actually 150...not 125

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